US tried to plant WMDs, failed

[Tatooman]

Ok, I always wondered WHY they were so sure WMDs would be found in Iraq.

According to a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department, the Bush administration’s assurance about finding WMD in Iraq was based on a CIA plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Tthe whistleblower claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”.

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[bumcheekcity]

Wow. Liberals have been saying this for a year.

[Tatooman]

Amazing, isn't it? And it wasn't just Liberals. I'm a Libertarian (almost off the charts on the anarchist side of the spectrum) and have said it since the Bush Administration started spewing the WMD garbage. Hey, at least we're vindicated. Now if the mainstream press would pick up on it.........

[TheWakingDeath]

um, shit. well, so much for the "liberal media" covering this one in the states.

[lapslf]

What actually surprises me about this is the fact that they didn't pull this plan through.

[Tatooman]

Considering how inept they are, it doesn't surprize me in the least. This is the same bunch who failed to heed warnings on 9/11.

[Roktiken]

They cant pull it off because Bush clearly stated that Saddam pocessed something around (A few million if not more) litres of Anthrax alone along with more insane ammounts of other WMD's (Mustard Gas, Small Pox, VX), and for any WMD find to be wow'ed at by the US people and the rest of the world the numbers stated here must be found because this is what the Bush Administration said.

If one day all of a sudden theres Breaking News! On CNN saying that US troops have found a peetrie Dish of Anthrax the Bush Administration is gona claim success, hopefully the American people have enough smarts left to display some sort of intellegence and wave it off as "Wow okay, so wheres the other 1.999999999999 Million litres...."

[Tatooman]

The claims are as follows:

Mustard Gas: 2850 tons
Sarin: 795 tons
VX: 3.9 tons
Tabun: 210 tons
Anthrax: 25,000 tons
Uranium: 400 tons
Plutonium: 6 grams

This estimate was sent to me directly from my Congressman (a neocon) in the run-up to the war because I questioned whether we should go to war with Iraq. A ton = 2,000 lbs. You can't hide that much.

[peedee]

where did they ge this "estimate" from? there asses!?

[ReiperX]

At 3/16/04 02:21 PM, peedee wrote: where did they ge this "estimate" from? there asses!?

I believe the estimates were gotten from the WMDs we knew he had in the 80's, and basically subtracted how much we thought he used in the Iran/Iraq war and against the Kurds in his own country.

Just what I think though, don't quote me on that though. And as far as the plutonium and uranium don't know where those estimates came from.

[TimScheff]

At 3/16/04 03:10 PM, Le-Reiper wrote: Just what I think though, don't quote me on that though. And as far as the plutonium and uranium don't know where those estimates came from.

Probably from the Nigeria report.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/16/04 02:19 PM, Tatooman wrote: This estimate was sent to me directly from my Congressman (a neocon) in the run-up to the war because I questioned whether we should go to war with Iraq. A ton = 2,000 lbs. You can't hide that much.

Why can't you hide that much?

[Roktiken]

Hes saying no matter where you hit it there would be a large enough signature or marking or it to be detected just about by any fool running with a Gigercounter capable reading specific materials, let alone billions of dollars worth of equipment made specificly for tracking these materials and 150,000 people looking for it.

[Jimsween]

Wow, the Navy Lt. Commander said it, well then....... wait.... why the hell would a Navy officer know this, much less a Lt. Commander? Oh thats right, it was "Leaked" to her accidently..... cause you know if they were going to plant WMD they wouldn't even bother to try and keep it secret. Oh, and why is the only thing coving this a Pakistani newspaper? No wait, correction, a news magazine, beauty tips from models Atiqa Odho and Omer Qamar, AND US conspiracies, IN ONE!

God you people are gullible, and retarded, don't for get the retardedness...

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/16/04 04:27 PM, Roktiken wrote: Hes saying no matter where you hit it there would be a large enough signature or marking or it to be detected just about by any fool running with a Gigercounter capable reading specific materials,

Hmmmm........so Iraq is that small?

I thought that most of Iraq was harsh desertland, where people usually can't go into and hope to survive. And how long did the UN inspectors take to find WMD in Iraq after the Gulf War?

5 years, is it?

let alone billions of dollars worth of equipment made specificly for tracking these materials and 150,000 people looking for it.

I would very much like to know how these pieces of equipment can suddenly direct searchers to the direct spot where the weapons are hidden.

Also, there is another profession that has billions of dollars of equipment and hundreds of people looking for something. It's called the Police. And if it were as effective as the papers suggested, there wouldn't be anything such as "missing" people or "missing" kidnappers.

[Mr-Fluffykins]

I think GWB is just trrying to finish what his father started

[TheShrike]

At 3/16/04 05:02 PM, Jimsween wrote: Wow, the Navy Lt. Commander said it, well then....... wait.... why the hell would a Navy officer know this, much less a Lt. Commander? Oh thats right, it was "Leaked" to her accidently..... cause you know if they were going to plant WMD they wouldn't even bother to try and keep it secret. Oh, and why is the only thing coving this a Pakistani newspaper? No wait, correction, a news magazine, beauty tips from models Atiqa Odho and Omer Qamar, AND US conspiracies, IN ONE!

Heh. Good job, sweenie, you shot down the entire topic with one post! Not that they'll notice, but good job, anyway.

God you people are gullible, and retarded, don't for get the retardedness...

See, this part was unneeded, if though it's true. Well, except the retarded part.

People aren't going to respect what you say if you insist on adding an open-ended insult to everything.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/16/04 06:26 PM, Mr_Fluffykins wrote: I think GWB is just trrying to finish what his father started

Thank you for your utterly pointless one sentence that has contributed to the debate.

Please feed yourself to the woodchipper.

[Ravens-Grin]

I don't know why, but I always like advocating against a side that I feel is incompetent and slightly retarded. But that's just me...

But tatooman, I would like to see the letter that your congressman gave to you. As well as that I want to know what district your in, your congressman, and your state. But anyways, in a land of almost pure desert, it definetely would not be hard to hide that amount of substances. For one thing, only the 400 tons of uranium and 8 grams of plutonium would be detectable via a geiger counter. As for the ricin, it would not be too hard to make that for the Iraqis because it is made from castor beans. As for the VX figure, I highly doubt that they made 3.9 tons of that stuff. That is just an insane amount for that, and the capabilities for that would be insane. I just highly doubt the information that was given to you, and because the link that you gave me is broken, I can only argue with what you gave me.

As for the planting of WMD's, I highly doubt it. If we did try and fail, we would've done it again until it worked.

[Mr-Fluffykins]

At 3/16/04 06:56 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote:

At 3/16/04 06:26 PM, Mr_Fluffykins wrote: I think GWB is just trrying to finish what his father started

Thank you for your utterly pointless one sentence that has contributed to the debate.

It wasn't pointless....i was saying that bush needed a reason to go into iraq to finish what his father started so they choose WMD's

Please feed yourself to the woodchipper.

Go fuck yourself you rude bastard....you are stupid and did obviously not understand what i was getting at ...

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/16/04 07:02 PM, Mr_Fluffykins wrote: It wasn't pointless....i was saying that bush needed a reason to go into iraq to finish what his father started so they choose WMD's

No you moron, it was because of the nice artifacts in Iraq. That way, the US could sell all those golden rugs to Ireland for money to invade North Korea, take over the nukes, and nuke Japan. Don't you see it, ever so obvious, blind one?

Go fuck yourself you rude bastard....you are stupid and did obviously not understand what i was getting at ...

Look at the title of this BBS.

Politics.

Politics is not "what if" and "I think."

It's about cold, hard, knowledge. I gave you a reason to elaborate on your original post. Did you? No. You basically "Well this is what I think, so there!" on me. Please sharpen up your reading comprehension skills, and learn how to give out reasonable posts, backed up by EVIDENCE.

*Evidence is facts. Not what Micheal Moore, or Rush Limbeagh says.*

[Jimsween]

At 3/16/04 06:48 PM, TheShrike wrote:

People aren't going to respect what you say if you insist on adding an open-ended insult to everything.

People aren't going to respect what I say anyways, remember Commander K-25?

[peedee]

i believe what michael moore says....sometimes.....

and i think that evilgovernments idea of the states gonig to all that length to attack japan is stupid.....

[GooieGreen]

At 3/16/04 11:01 PM, peedee wrote: i believe what michael moore says....sometimes.....

and i think that evilgovernments idea of the states gonig to all that length to attack japan is stupid.....

I believe that Michael Moore is what's wrong in the world. Though, he means well... I hope...

[peedee]

i dont know......some of the stuff he says makes sense..... but i see what you mean. i liek the way he makes people think tho....

[lunchbxpat]

ya know, as much as i hate to admit it, jimsween is right on this one. why wouldn't have this been put in a more reliable, or, at least, more local source?

[Jimsween]

At 3/17/04 12:53 AM, lunchbxpat wrote: ya know, as much as i hate to admit it, jimsween is right on this one. why wouldn't have this been put in a more reliable, or, at least, more local source?

Because thier source is someone ranked in a position you can get without having any military experience whatsoever (I.E. she isn't important at all).

Bob the grocery store clerk says Bush has AIDS.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/16/04 11:01 PM, peedee wrote: i believe what michael moore says....sometimes.....

We believe a lot of things. That doesn't make it true.

and i think that evilgovernments idea of the states gonig to all that length to attack japan is stupid.....

Good God, you ARE blind. Bush hates anime, and he hates schoolgirls. He'd go to any length to nuke Japan, and take it's priceless katana hilts, sell them, and use the money to buy Emperor class Battleships to go into space to fight the enemies of the Imperium!!!!

[JoS]

For whoever said it took the UN 5 years to find WMD, remember they only had a handful of inspectors and didnt have the kind of access the US has to facilites. The UN had to go through channels and annouce their visit, the US owns the country right now and goes where ever they want whenever they want. ANd they have about 150 000 people doing it.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/17/04 07:19 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: For whoever said it took the UN 5 years to find WMD, remember they only had a handful of inspectors and didnt have the kind of access the US has to facilites. The UN had to go through channels and annouce their visit, the US owns the country right now and goes where ever they want whenever they want. ANd they have about 150 000 people doing it.

And the thing is, trying to go through an entire regime of people just to squeeze out a little piece of information is nonetheless, tough. And 150 000 people is a overestimate. Soldiers have other things to do, than to spread out to specifically look for weapons. Plus, if anyone did have access to the weapons (if they were there), how is the US supposed to know who they were?