USA overeacting to Toyota recall

[asdfghk]

If you havent heard yet toyota is calling a MASSIVE recall for toyotas because the accelerator sticks causing an accident. I watch HLN news everyday and i always hear about Toyota recall AND also about that runaway prius i think they talk about it to much then i started thinking about it i think that they are puerposly because the American auto industry isnt doing so well and people are buying imports so when the Toyota acelerator problem happened IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS. BUT FORD had that problem and i only saw like a 1 minute segment about it on HLN so i think there trying to make toyota look bad so that people would buy domestics then they started talking about the prius and saying how unsafe it could be I THINK that there doing that because when you think of the word "Hybrid Car" chances are you think of the prius because it is such a popular hybrid car and people go buy the prius insted of domestic ones

So whats your views on this is the news just doing there job or Overreacting to the recall
(What i wrote is MY BELIF of the recall im not saying that what i wrote is true)

[Gunner-D]

GM wants Toyota's market share. And since the U.S. owns GM, it is safe to say that the U.S. wants Toyota's market share.

[Jon-86]

I wonder if this is a "computer" problem. Because they put speed limiters in everything these days. Toyotas are the best though. They wouldn't use them as gun platforms in Africa if this wasn't the case. TopGear proved this fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3n HM

Only topgear thing I've ever really found useful!

[HibiscusKazeneko]

It is true that the media loves to sensationalize everything they can get their hands on, but in the case such as this when the world's most popular auto company issues a recall of this magnitude, certainly people are going to be upset. And to add insult to injury, Toyota actually had proof of this problem dating back to 2007 and they did nothing about it until this past January due to threats from the government- all to save a few million bucks!
Sounds like Old Man Toyoda's got some 'splainin' to do...

[Proteas]

Toyota has had to recall millions of it's own cars, people are DEAD because of this recalled problem, and you're on about it being a media conspiracy to keep down hybrid cars? Really?

What are you smoking, and where can I buy an ounce?

[HibiscusKazeneko]

At 3/21/10 09:42 AM, Proteas wrote: Toyota has had to recall millions of it's own cars, people are DEAD because of this recalled problem, and you're on about it being a media conspiracy to keep down hybrid cars? Really?

I never said anything like that. I said Toyota knew there was a problem as early as 2007 and did nothing about it until now because it would have cost them hundreds of millions of dollars! There was nothing in there about an anti-hybrid conspiracy.

Trust me; if the media were to say anything about hybrids now, they'd be pitching the new Honda Insight.

[Proteas]

At 3/21/10 03:53 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: I never said anything like that.

Was I talking to you?

[Gunner-D]

At 3/21/10 09:42 AM, Proteas wrote: Toyota has had to recall millions of it's own cars,

Purely a burden Toyota has taken itself, paying for itself, and is merely a precaution to prevent other questionable accident to be portrayed in the news as Toyota's "poor mechanisms" or "faulty electronics".

people are DEAD because of this recalled problem,

People did die, but there has yet to be a conclusive reason why. There is a problem, which was a good percentage of the reason for this accident, that Toyota did not install the electronic brake overrides in some cars. However... the stickiness of the pedals are still in question.

and you're on about it being a media conspiracy to keep down hybrid cars? Really?

Not hybrid cars, but Toyota's market share. Before the recall, they were second in U.S. sales, now they have fallen behind Ford into third.

And if it wasn't for the media sensationalizing ONE fatal accident, than everyone would have been honky-dory with their Toyotas, buying Toyotas, and their opinion of the Toyota brand. But instead, Toyota owners have been scared into panic for their safety and security, the numbers show that people are not feeling good about buying Toyotas, and the opinion of Toyota as "economical, reliable, and affordable" has changed into one much more doubtful and negative.

So the news helped perpetuate this panic, the federal government's inquiry made it official, and any steps taken by Toyota of a recall, whether necessary, manadatory, or purely precautionary, is looked upon by the American people as an admission of guilt.

With the right catalysts, doubt is like a virus.

What are you smoking, and where can I buy an ounce?

I know your not talking to me, but go to the corner of Main and Chandler downtown, you'll see Earl with the orange beanie and ask him if he knows where that 'stanky cheese smell' is coming from...

[Proteas]

At 3/22/10 07:25 AM, Gunner-D wrote: Purely a burden Toyota has taken itself, paying for itself, and is merely a precaution to prevent other questionable accident to be portrayed in the news as Toyota's "poor mechanisms" or "faulty electronics".

People did die, but there has yet to be a conclusive reason why. There is a problem, which was a good percentage of the reason for this accident, that Toyota did not install the electronic brake overrides in some cars. However... the stickiness of the pedals are still in question.

If you're going to pull of the lawyer double-talk, at least try to keep your position on the matter straight.

And by that I mean you're using air quotes to describe a perceived problem as though it that has yet to be fully explained or blamed for any unintended ramifications, and then you go on to admit that there is a problem and you know exactly why.

And if it wasn't for the media sensationalizing ONE fatal accident, than everyone would have been honky-dory with their Toyotas, buying Toyotas, and their opinion of the Toyota brand.

Yeah, those 4 people just had to go and get themselves killed in accident that was solely the fault of a poorly made vehicle. What a bunch of attention-whoring assholes! They should have just quietly offed themselves if they wanted to die so badly, no sense bringing Toyota into this, amiright?

But instead, Toyota owners have been scared into panic for their safety and security, the numbers show that people are not feeling good about buying Toyotas, and the opinion of Toyota as "economical, reliable, and affordable" has changed into one much more doubtful and negative.

37 deaths and from 29 some odd wrecks doesn't really help matters, now does it?

[Gunner-D]

At 3/22/10 02:58 PM, Proteas wrote: you're using air quotes to describe a perceived problem as though it that has yet to be fully explained or blamed for any unintended ramifications, and then you go on to admit that there is a problem and you know exactly why.

Brake overrides and stuck accelerators are two different problems. If the accelerator is stuck, then it would have been helpful to have the override to stop the acceleration completely. However, if you can tell me the reason why the accelerators were sticking in the first place, then we have the full picture. I am aware that there have been recalls for cruise control issues where the car will not slow regardless of manual override, but that is an issue that has nothing to do with the brake override system. So no, I don't know exactly why the accelerator malfunctioned fatally, but I do know that the electronic braking system was not designed to stop the car in this event.

It is not an air quote, I get this information from a close friend who is a college graduate, licensed. full time auto mechanic who works professionally on Toyota vehicles.

Yeah, those 4 people just had to go and get themselves killed in accident that was solely the fault of a poorly made vehicle. What a bunch of attention-whoring assholes! They should have just quietly offed themselves if they wanted to die so badly, no sense bringing Toyota into this, amiright?

Could have been a lemon. Even if it was, it would still be Toyota's fault. However, that is inconclusive. The media jumped on this while people were still talking about misplaced floormats being the primary issue.

37 deaths and from 29 some odd wrecks doesn't really help matters, now does it?

Seeing as there is ALOT of Toyotas on the road, and this statistic is about 'runaway' Toyotas, there are other reason why cars would 'runaway'. Falling asleep at the wheel?(to name one) But although that is a good link, I would prefer one that talks about the real cause of acceleration malfunction, as your link says, "unexpectedly and uncontrollably".

[Proteas]

At 3/22/10 05:48 PM, Gunner-D wrote: However, if you can tell me the reason why the accelerators were sticking in the first place, then we have the full picture.

The first wreck was caused by a floor mat becoming wedged into the accelerator, thus causing the crash. The floor mat wasn't for the right vehicle, and the gas pedal wasn't designed to clear itself of obstructions. (Clicky).

As for the issue of sudden acceleration, if it's not a physical problem, it's probably an electrical problem rooted in the car's computer system. One of the nerds at Toyota screwed up a line of code somewhere, and here we have the end results.

It is not an air quote, I get this information from a close friend who is a college graduate, licensed. full time auto mechanic who works professionally on Toyota vehicles.

Appeal to Authority, and a pathetic one at that, because your source didn't actually tell you what's causing these problems if they're not related to "poor mechanisms" or "faulty electronics," much less tell you what Toyota dealership mechanics are doing to help fix these vehicles under recall, now did he?

Seeing as there is ALOT of Toyotas on the road, and this statistic is about 'runaway' Toyotas, there are other reason why cars would 'runaway'. Falling asleep at the wheel?(to name one) But although that is a good link, I would prefer one that talks about the real cause of acceleration malfunction, as your link says, "unexpectedly and uncontrollably".

And I would like the number's to Wednesday's Powerball drawing.

[Gunner-D]

I am simply commenting about the US overeacting to the Toyota recall. And yes they have. The government owns the majority of GM, they are in the business of selling cars, and will do their best ( not ethically, but effectively) to promote the defamation, in a discrete and subtle fashion, of Toyota by perpetuating fear for the safety and security of Toyota products in order to gain Toyota's market share. Remember, if you are a US citizen, you are paying for GM's advertising.

At 3/22/10 07:09 PM, Proteas wrote:
Appeal to Authority, and a pathetic one at that, because your source didn't actually tell you what's causing these problems if they're not related to "poor mechanisms" or "faulty electronics," much less tell you what Toyota dealership mechanics are doing to help fix these vehicles under recall, now did he?

Yeah, he did tell me what the "faulty electronics" were and how Toyota had chosen to omit certain characteristics of these systems even though they are standard in many vehicles on the road today, and it wasn't just because some nerd forgot to type some lines of code like you casually try to dismiss it as. So your appeal to authority argument doesn't fly here. Your analysis of my argument is misleading, which very well be my fault because I am a novice in online forums, but it really seems like you are just trying to brush aside my source as not credible in a cheap (Wiki word algebra?) and intimidating (let's say I called your USA Today, Youtube, and wikipedia sources 'pathetic') manner.

Your USA Today article states...
'NHTSA said the automaker might have "viewed the underlying defects too narrowly ... without fully considering the broader issue of unintended acceleration and any associated safety-related defects that warrant recalls'

I am pretty sure they are referring to Toyota's floormat recall being to narrow of a focus, and infer that they are not the only reason for the 'unintended acceleration'.

But now that you mention it (about the first wreck), I know two people that bought Toyotas in the past year (before the recall) and both of them had their floormats sent to them AFTER they had their cars for about 2 weeks. So I can agree with you that they are most likely the cause of the acceleration problem.

Some dumb ass salesman must have sent them the wrong model mats... hey I like this debate, we could be on to solving the mystery of the speeding Toyotas!

[Proteas]

At 3/22/10 08:28 PM, Gunner-D wrote: Your analysis of my argument is misleading, which very well be my fault because I am a novice in online forums, but it really seems like you are just trying to brush aside my source as not credible in a cheap (Wiki word algebra?) and intimidating (let's say I called your USA Today, Youtube, and wikipedia sources 'pathetic') manner.

# Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts
# Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").

Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit.

Your source is an unseen/unknowable entity who cannot be questioned, cannot be verified as real, and who's claims cannot be independently verified. For all we know, your source is a voice in your head or a mouse in your pocket. Ergo, I'm leery of anyone who knows a guy who claims to be an expert on any subject.

Welcome to Politics forum.

[SadisticMonkey]

So...Toyota VOLUNTARILY recalled its own cars at a cost of MILLIONS of dollars to make its own cars look bad??

wow!

[Proteas]

At 3/22/10 09:42 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: So...Toyota VOLUNTARILY recalled its own cars at a cost of MILLIONS of dollars to make its own cars look bad??

That, and the government is behind the media scandal to further make Toyota look bad so it can increase it's own market share and make more money.

But we need to keep this quiet, or else the Illuminati will hear God knows what will happen then.

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WHERE'S MY ALUMINUM BEANIE HAT AT?!

[ubermanng]

we all have to be optimistic on this situation at least Toyota doesn't lie about their motto. they keep moving forward