2010 Republican Poll

[Musician]

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/1 /31/US/437

Some of the highlights:

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama was born in the United States, or not?: 36% no, an additional 22% say 'not sure'.

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?: 24% say yes, an additional 33% say 'not sure'.

QUESTION: Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?: 21% say yes, an additional 55% say 'not sure'.

QUESTION: Do you believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama?: 53% say yes, an additional 33% say 'not sure'.

QUESTION: Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates White people? 31% say yes, an additional 33% say 'not sure'

Well anyways, I better not spoil all the surprises. What do you guys think of this recent polling?

[Saxturbation]

I love how when it got to the "Gay and Lesbian" section it was indecisively "NO". Ignorant people we live amongst.

[Warforger]

I'd love to watch Conservative users in this thread start barrel rolling with excuses like "its a biased Liberal source"

[Memorize]

At 2/9/10 12:25 AM, Warforger wrote: I'd love to watch Conservative users in this thread start barrel rolling with excuses like "its a biased Liberal source"

What's funnier is that the same people complaining about the birthers are the same ones who said McCain wasn't able to be President because he was born in Panama.

Funnier still is that there are more Democrats who believe Bush orcastrated 9/11 than there are Republican birthers (which is even funnier still since these are the same people who consider Bush an idiot).

But... why settle on the details?

[poxpower]

These questions are retarded and the answers are SUPER retarded.

Dear

lord.

[MultiCanimefan]

As someone who classifies himself as a Liberal, I found the poll to be rather refreshing, aside from the results of the Genesis being taught in public schools, same-sex marriage and death penalty questions.

[Saxturbation]

At 2/9/10 12:47 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: As someone who classifies himself as a Liberal

Why don't you take this test to find out what you really are rather than classifying yourself.

I found the poll to be rather refreshing, aside from the results of the Genesis being taught in public schools, same-sex marriage and death penalty questions.

Yeah I thought the Genesis question was utter bullshit and their answer was even greater. I already gave my opinion on the same sex marriage answers (see above) and I personally believe in the death penalty as long as the victim deserves it.

[Gunner-D]

So its Palin and Romney?

The bottom line of this survey... Do you choose Christ, Other, or Not Sure?

The only other survey question without a YES/NO response was FAVOR/OPPOSE allowing amnesty for current illegals, which these old southern white people staunchly oppose.

And by the numbers, they are mostly against gay rights.

My question is, how do they go about conducting this survey and is this a random sample? Or did they find these numbers and addresses from the American Enterprise mailing list?

It's very obvious where they get the questions from... Karl Rove!

[poxpower]

ALso:

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"QUESTION: Do you believe that the only way for an individual to go to heaven is though Jesus Christ, or can one make it to heaven through another faith? "
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If you're atheist, what can you possibly answer?

or this:
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QUESTION: Should public school students be taught that the book of Genesis in the Bible explains how God created the world?
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The book of genesis DOES explain how God created the world. What does this question even mean? It's like it's tailored to trap stupid people into sounding ignorant.

I'm really skeptical about this. I can't believe there's that many retards who own and operate telephones in the United States.

Like:
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QUESTION: Should contraceptive use be outlawed?
31% says yes, 13% are unsure.
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Can we shoot people that stupid?

Or:
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QUESTION: Do you believe your state should secede from the United States?
23% yes, 19% not sure
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So almost 40% of these people are considering forming their own country? Holy shit. And it seems Sarah Palin will be the one in charge.

Again I can't believe there would be this many stupid people alive in the US. But when I see Memorize... I wonder.

[Saxturbation]

To complete what I was saying above, the test does a pretty good job at thoroughly asking all the questions. I've taken it twice now, gotten the same results. Slightly to the left of moderate and a little Libertarian.

[RydiaLockheart]

At 2/9/10 01:05 AM, Saxturbation wrote: Why don't you take this test to find out what you really are rather than classifying yourself.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with that test. I consider myself more moderate than it says I was. Maybe several tests would be in order to get an accurate standing. Then again, I know I'm a little strange. I'm pro-choice, pro-gun and pro-capital punishment, and those three don't always go well together. I think it may also be worthwhile to take the test over a few times. I know that my political stance has changed since I turned 18, and other people's probably do as well.

As for the page itself...yeah, people are stupid, but I tend to take these types of polls with a grain of salt. Half the time there's a bias behind the questioning.

[poxpower]

At 2/9/10 01:05 AM, Saxturbation wrote:

Why don't you take this test

Ar something else riddled with moron questions.
like:

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

YEAH IT SHOULD DEFINITELY SERVE GIANT CORPORATIONS INSTEAD OF HUMANITY.
I want to meet anyone who'd answer that so I can kick them in the nuts.

Also that's not how you spell globalization you fucks.

And gems like:

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

DURRRRRRR

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

GIMME THE STUPID PIE I WANT A BIG BITE GNAWGNAWGNAW

Or:
-It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents.
-First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.
-What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.
-Astrology accurately explains many things.
-You cannot be moral without being religious.
-Some people are naturally unlucky.

These aren't even matters of opinions, they're facts. You can prove what the answer ACTUALLY IS for them.

If this a political stance test of a general "are you a moron" test? Haha

I have nothing better to do... bah

[Musician]

At 2/9/10 01:17 AM, poxpower wrote: Again I can't believe there would be this many stupid people alive in the US. But when I see Memorize... I wonder.

Quite frankly I can't see any error in their methods, apart from the question about entering the kingdom of heaven (though IIRC less than 4% of all registered republicans are atheists), and maybe that one about teaching the bible in school (either way their advocating teaching religion in school). But even if those questions were flawed this says nothing about the other questions.

So I'm thinking these polls are probably legit, which honestly doesn't surprise me too much given the crazy shit that's been happening at these tea party protests.

[Memorize]

At 2/9/10 01:17 AM, poxpower wrote:

Again I can't believe there would be this many stupid people alive in the US. But when I see Memorize... I wonder.

Awe? What's wrong, Poxy?

Did I piss you off by giving you a revelation on how Democrats are technically "more stupid" than the Republicans on this conspiracy issue?

lol, as far as I'm concerned: You're all fucking idiots.

You, the birthers, the truthers...

You're a bunch of twats... to put it in British speak.

So really, Pox. Is the fact that I held everyone in an equal regard of stupidity really piss you off? Are you mad that I didn't give the other side a pass, like you?

I guess you could've come up with something better, but then what can you say against a Pro-Life, Pro-Drug, Pro-Gun, anti-death penalty, anti-war, evolution-believing individual?

[Saxturbation]

At 2/9/10 01:24 AM, RydiaLockheart wrote:

At 2/9/10 01:05 AM, Saxturbation wrote: Why don't you take this test to find out what you really are rather than classifying yourself.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with that test. I consider myself more moderate than it says I was. Maybe several tests would be in order to get an accurate standing.

Yeah that's what I did before I believed it but it gave the same result on two different tests.

poxpower wrote:

Ar something else riddled with moron questions.

like:

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

YEAH IT SHOULD DEFINITELY SERVE GIANT CORPORATIONS INSTEAD OF HUMANITY.
I want to meet anyone who'd answer that so I can kick them in the nuts.

You were supposed to agree or disagree on this. If you agreed with it, you hold more of a liberal stance and a conservative stance if you answered otherwise. Those question are actually pretty good compared to others that I have seen.

[Korriken]

dur hur hur ohmagawd dem cunservatives er sher ignant. dur dur dur. I kint buhleave dey would tink that ACORN iz anuhthin uther din duh bestest orginizashun hehpin peepul aut!

Seriously.

[Musician]

At 2/9/10 02:56 AM, Korriken wrote: dur hur hur ohmagawd dem cunservatives er sher ignant. dur dur dur. I kint buhleave dey would tink that ACORN iz anuhthin uther din duh bestest orginizashun hehpin peepul aut!

Seriously.

The question wasn't "do you think ACORN is the bestest organization ever?" It was, "do you think ACORN stole the election?"

There's a subtle difference.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 1/15/10 01:08 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 1/15/10 01:24 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: ITT: Liberal circle jerk about how dumb conservatives are
heck, this is what happens in ALL threads

: Lol no.

oh hey multi

[SadisticMonkey]

At 2/9/10 12:40 AM, Memorize wrote: Funnier still is that there are more Democrats who believe Bush orcastrated 9/11 than there are Republican birthers (which is even funnier still since these are the same people who consider Bush an idiot).

even if there wasn't, you can't even compare the stupidity of the claims made by birthers to those made of truthers

[AapoJoki]

At 2/9/10 05:51 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 2/9/10 12:40 AM, Memorize wrote: Funnier still is that there are more Democrats who believe Bush orcastrated 9/11 than there are Republican birthers

even if there wasn't, you can't even compare the stupidity of the claims made by birthers to those made of truthers

What percentage of the Democrats are truthers?

[SadisticMonkey]

lol our sigs

[Elfer]

At 2/9/10 12:40 AM, Memorize wrote: What's funnier is that the same people complaining about the birthers are the same ones who said McCain wasn't able to be President because he was born in Panama.

No see, I think most people consider both of those groups stupid.

Mez: You have to stop this tactic of dropping in on a topic and arguing against imaginary stupid people that only exist in your own head. If you want to complain about the flawed arguments and views of people who don't visit these forums, you can go blag about it.

[Korriken]

At 2/9/10 03:33 AM, Musician wrote:

The question wasn't "do you think ACORN is the bestest organization ever?" It was, "do you think ACORN stole the election?"

There's a subtle difference.

i was pointing the sheer stupidity and hypocrisy of this entire thread. you point out some polls a lib site did, then make comments like "look at the ignorant stupid republicans!" simply for having different beliefs than yourself, completely ignoring any stupidity from the liberals.

I have some serious doubts you bothered to mention the inane whining after the 2 bush elections when libs were screaming and whining that the republicans "stole" the election twice and how bush's inauguration party was "extravagant" and "a big party for corporate America" and how the amount of money spent was "disgraceful" and "disgusting" and how Obama's inauguration party, which cost $100 million more than Bush's was "magnificent" and "glorious".

I have serious doubts you bothered to point out the stupidity of the "truthers".

or the flaming hypocrisy of Al Gore and he massive mansion that burns off more energy in a month than most could hope to use in a year, flies a personal jet, and screams that we need to reduce our energy use.

I could go on for another 7,000 characters, but I don't really feel like it.

[Gunner-D]

At 2/9/10 12:07 PM, Korriken wrote:

"look at the ignorant stupid republicans!" simply for having different beliefs than yourself, completely ignoring any stupidity from the liberals.

This thread is not stupid. If you can find a Democrat poll that has questions like " Do you think George Bush Jr. should be jailed for war crimes?" or "Do you think Obama is the Messiah?", I do not think anyone would ignore the stupidity of the liberals that vote yes on these questions.

These questions ARE stupid. But if the sample of Republicans who supplied answers to this poll is indeed random, it tells you something about the issues Republicans are going to have trouble with in 2010 and even heavier in 2012...

Further than anti-illegal immigration... but a majority that are against amnesty for English speaking immigrants?

Not only against gay civil unions... but a majority against equal employment opportunity for homosexuals?

These two issues express the xenophobia and homophobia that the Republican party, if there is a future for it, needs to distance itself from.

Kind of a strange request, but I was wondering if anyone has come across any stories like the following hypothetical ones I have made up here...

1. A former illegal immigrant who, after becoming a legal citizen of the United States, operates a bilingual business which is thriving and creating jobs for Americans today.

2. A family, in which the parents are a homosexual couple, who, despite encountering prejudice and job discrimination, have successfully raised a college graduate(s) who has become a successful member of society and, despite being straight, campaigned for openly for gay rights.

I suppose these are the emotionally-charged happy-ending type of stories we may hear around election time, hopefully putting to shame any of this bigotry still supported by Republicans today.

[Memorize]

At 2/9/10 10:38 AM, Elfer wrote:

No see, I think most people consider both of those groups stupid.

What are you talking about? I'm simply saying that Musician is a hypocrite. A dumbass (and always will be).

Whereas Warforger also isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the house.

At 2/9/10 09:17 AM, AapoJoki wrote:

What percentage of the Democrats are truthers?

35% of Democrats are Truthers

28% of Republicans are Birthers

Oh, and look at that. The Birther poll was conducted by a liberal organization while the Truther poll was conducted by... an actual polling agency.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 2/9/10 05:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 1/15/10 01:08 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 1/15/10 01:24 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: ITT: Liberal circle jerk about how dumb conservatives are
heck, this is what happens in ALL threads

Lol no.

oh hey multi

Sup Sadistic? And I must admit, some of these posts do indeed imply a Liberal circle jerk. I however, have not engaged in such activity. Also, it doesn't happen in every thread, AND the OP's opinion got it started, so you're half right.

Now for some nightmare fuel.

[Korriken]

At 2/9/10 01:27 PM, Gunner-D wrote:

This thread is not stupid.

It's very stupid that someone would waste the time to scour the net looking for such a thing.

If you can find a Democrat poll that has questions like " Do you think George Bush Jr. should be jailed for war crimes?" or "Do you think Obama is the Messiah?", I do not think anyone would ignore the stupidity of the liberals that vote yes on these questions.

sure they would, it would be the same people who point at this poll and laugh. Also, I'm not in the business of scouring the internet looking for such things, so i'll leave it to someone who actually cares about such things.

Further than anti-illegal immigration... but a majority that are against amnesty for English speaking immigrants?

yep. and for good reason. If you don't enforce the laws, then the laws are meaningless. more and more people would sneak in, the apply for amnesty, bypassing our immigration laws completely. We don't know for sure how many illegals are in our country, or how long (or not) they've been here. If anything else we should strengthen and tighten enforcement of our laws instead of saying, "That's fine you don't have to follow our laws if you don't want to.

Not only against gay civil unions... but a majority against equal employment opportunity for homosexuals?

I don't see anything about equal opportunity employment in this poll. well, except for military and teaching. IMO people shouldn't be worried about gays molesting their children. straight people do that too.

These two issues express the xenophobia and homophobia that the Republican party, if there is a future for it, needs to distance itself from.

you mean become liberal? that worked out great these last several years. What's next? should they raise taxes and give everyone who doesn't want to work a free ride through life?

Kind of a strange request, but I was wondering if anyone has come across any stories like the following hypothetical ones I have made up here...

1. A former illegal immigrant who, after becoming a legal citizen of the United States, operates a bilingual business which is thriving and creating jobs for Americans today.

not likely, but you never know. Most people who sneak in are just looking to work. However, a bilingual person could apply to come in to teach their native language.

2. A family, in which the parents are a homosexual couple, who, despite encountering prejudice and job discrimination, have successfully raised a college graduate(s) who has become a successful member of society and, despite being straight, campaigned for openly for gay rights.

probably.

I suppose these are the emotionally-charged happy-ending type of stories we may hear around election time, hopefully putting to shame any of this bigotry still supported by Republicans today.

oh boo hoo hoo. person sneaks in, illegally, breaking our laws. We find them and send them home to try again, the proper way, and whiny ass liberals have a problem with people enforcing the law. As far as the gay thing... meh. people have their religion, and not many religions support such a thing, and people usually don't betray their religions to make people who want everyone to tolerate everything happy. real life don't work that way.

[Gunner-D]

I don't want to make this thread turn into a gay-rights/immigration reform topic, but...

At 2/9/10 01:47 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 2/9/10 01:27 PM, Gunner-D wrote:

Further than anti-illegal immigration... but a majority that are against amnesty for English speaking immigrants?

yep. and for good reason. If you don't enforce the laws, then the laws are meaningless. more and more people would sneak in, the apply for amnesty, bypassing our immigration laws completely. We don't know for sure how many illegals are in our country, or how long (or not) they've been here. If anything else we should strengthen and tighten enforcement of our laws instead of saying, "That's fine you don't have to follow our laws if you don't want to.

That is why I called it 'illegal immigration' so you don't have to talk about the legality of the immigrants. However, amnesty does not necessarily involve giving these "undocumented workers" full citizen's rights like a vote, Social Security, or Medicare benefits. But if an undocumented immigrant decides they want to become a legitimate American, shouldn't there be an intermediate step they can take towards this goal rather than deportation? If they decide to become "documented", register with local, state, and federal government, and pay taxes, shouldn't they be given the opportunity to attain citizenship without the fear of jail or deportation. I.E. The Mexican illegal immigrant mother with four children born in the U.S.A. attending public schools. Why should the mother have to be deported, abandoning her children so they can become wards of the state? And if you believe they should be sent back to Mexico with her, then you have to reconsider the validity of your stance on human rights.

Not only against gay civil unions... but a majority against equal employment opportunity for homosexuals?

I don't see anything about equal opportunity employment in this poll. well, except for military and teaching.

You announce that you are against this claim, but acknowledge the evidence for it. Do you think it is OK for homosexuals to be hair stylists and party planners, but not OK to be in military or education? That is employment discrimination.

IMO people shouldn't be worried about gays molesting their children. straight people do that too.

I'm just wondering, can someone PM me with what 'IMO' means? Does it mean "in my opinion"?

[Musician]

At 2/9/10 01:42 PM, Memorize wrote: 35% of Democrats are Truthers

Being a bit disingenous there Memorize. Believing that Bush had knowledge of the 9/11 attacks before they happened is a far cry away from thinking that Bush had explosives planted in the the buildings or some crazy shit like that. I'd be more interested in seeing how many registered democrats believe Bush orchestrated 9/11

28% of Republicans are Birthers

Yes, this was found by the same dailyKOS 2000 poll, only it's one year old. The new poll shows 36% of all republicans say they don't believe Obama was born in the United States, and additional 22% say 'i don't know' (what does that even mean?)

[SmilezRoyale]

The problem with asking 'would you support a gay president' is that it is a ceteris paribus question that has zero relevence to reality.

If a poll asked, would you support a president who was formerly a cocaine addict, i can imagine over 75% would say no. But George Bush still got elected, because his drug problem was not the primary prism through which people were examining him.

If a poll asked would you vote for a president who had committed Adultery, you would get the same response as Cocaine though possibly lower. But that did not change the fact that Clinton is today still regarded as a fairly decent president.

It's really that simple. A Gay president could theoretically win the election even if no body knew about it. If the "Gay President" worked to push the political emphasis away from his sexual orientation, if the media was generous enough to him, and if his opponent was 'bad' in his own right, being

In fact, if a Gay president ran against a Libertarian president, All other things equal (Except media coverage) The Gay president would win in a total landslide.

If a gay president ran against an Atheist, All other things equal (Except media coverage) I think the election would be close but the Atheist would probably lose. People are more tolerant of things they think are weird but involuntary than things they think are voluntary and hedonistic.

Speaking of Republicans and 2010-12, Pat Buchanan had an interesting article on Obama recently...

http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchan an/2010/02/05/will_obama_play_the_war_ca rd?page=2