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Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:01:34 Reply

Ok, I really dont understand why they are complaining about this...

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Criticism of Surrealism
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Feminists have in the past critiqued the Surrealist movement, claiming that it is fundamentally a male movement and a male fellowship, despite the occasional few celebrated female Surrealist painters and poets. They believe that it adopts archaic attitudes toward women, such as worshipping them symbolically through stereotypes and sexist norms. Women are often made to represent higher values and transformed into objects of desire and of mystery.

One of the pioneers in feminist critique of Surrealism was Xavière Gauthier. Her book Surréalisme et sexualité (1971) inspired further important scholarship related to the marginalization of women in relation to "the avant-garde." However these criticisms are perhaps more so of other avant-garde movements like Situationism, where women had a much more subordinate role to the men. Also, despite the theoretical objectification, Surrealism as a living praxis allowed room for women artists, and painters in particular.

Ok....So, they're criticising the fact that not many women are part of a particular art form? Um, sooo....It's the mans fault for being the majority in a certain art? Wow...How about we give up football and let all the women in! It's not our fault women dont like this art...Its the womans...

So, wtf...Feminism sucks...They need to quite blaming men just because they're arent enough women doing a certain thing...


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:04:09 Reply

Feminists complain about not having equal rights and then when they're expected to do something equally challenging for a man they don't do it.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:04:13 Reply

Yeah, but they're still jealous of our dicks.

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:05:39 Reply

Looks like someone learned who Mr.CTRL+C and Mr.CTRL+V were.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:06:33 Reply

that what women do, circle of life, etc etc


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:07:56 Reply

Feminism is a simile for stupidity.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:14:29 Reply

You should be more concerned about things that actually matter, such as governments all around the world passing legislation that forces political parties to have a minimum percentage of female members, but establishes no minimum percentage of males. I know all the artfags are going to get their panties in a twist, but yes, politics are more important than art.
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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:16:27 Reply

Yeah I like to cup my co-workers' buttocks, so what, who cares?

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:18:45 Reply

The point that feminist critics of surrealism are trying to make is that it's not instantly negative because it's male-dominated, but that the ways in which female forms are examined in the styles are, according to them, dehumanising and subordinated as huge almighty objects of desire, who still at the end of the day have to work according to what the artist is doing. Good examples of the sorts of things they might refer to are the works of Hans Bellmer (could be considered NSFW for abstract nudity). For a rough accompaniment, see here, which although may just be a blog, does highlight some of the authorial arguments on sexuality in surrealism.

A counter-argument could be surrealism, as radical as it quite clear is in nature, is displaying revolutionary thoughts on the oppression in the times of their creation - remember that a great chunk of surrealist art pre-dates women's lib and the other components of female sexual liberation. It's up for debate - which is why art is so deep, because it can be talked about it different ways. I mean, see the female surrealist attempts here (again, might be NSFW if you're on the far end of the scale) - is that more liberating for the woman as much as it's not the mind of an unrequited male masochist with a need? Feminism in art is merely giving a woman's point of view on the production, so that's done here, right?

And the most famous example of all...

... am I the first?

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:24:26 Reply

At 2/8/10 07:04 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Feminists complain about not having equal rights and then when they're expected to do something equally challenging for a man they don't do it.

Feminism is the belief that women are superior to men (as opposed to Masculinism, or Masculism, which is the belief that men are superior to women). They don't complain about not having equal rights, they complain about women have less or the same rights as men. The only situation in which they're happy are ones in which women have more rights than men, and are the reason why sexist travesties like Sheila's Wheels or the assigned gender clothing double standard are allowed to carry on running.

If I want to wear a skirt, I'll fucking well wear a skirt ... :)
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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:26:41 Reply

At 2/8/10 07:24 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote:
At 2/8/10 07:04 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Feminists complain about not having equal rights and then when they're expected to do something equally challenging for a man they don't do it.
Stuff.

Oh, right. Well stupidity is all the same to me.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 19:29:05 Reply

teachers in school cant say "caveman" anymore, they have to say "cave people". and they cant say founding fathers anymore, the have to say the founders. but no women signed the decleration of independence! y cant we say founding fathers?


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 21:17:29 Reply

At 2/8/10 07:01 PM, dark-fox wrote: (Question) why they are complaining about this...

(Answear) because their woman

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 21:19:55 Reply

It's females like this that make me hate my own gender.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 21:42:18 Reply

It's quite simple feminists are chicks that cant get laid, so they vent about EVERYTHING!!

Here's a quaint idea how about we stop living to be equal and just LIVE

is that so FUCKING hard?

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 21:48:19 Reply

I'm a chick. I think feminsim is stupid. I'd prefer to just have equality rather than associate with women who bash men. To me if you bash males your no better than a guy who bashes women. Same damn thing.

Plus feminists blow things way out of preportion. So someone got called a slut. Big deal. Guys get called bad names too, like asshole or dickhead. So someone told a joke about boobs. Big deal, there are cock jokes too. So unless someone is just bashing against girls for no good reason, don't throw a hissy fit, it makes all women look bad.

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:01:35 Reply

At 2/8/10 09:48 PM, BenwaHakubi wrote: Plus feminists blow things way out of preportion. So someone got called a slut. Big deal. Guys get called bad names too, like asshole or dickhead.

Don't forget that some names that apply to women are thrown at men in an offensive manner, such as "cunt" and "bitch".
Being a white adult male means everything goes when it comes to being a target.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:08:38 Reply

Kitchens are their saviours.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:09:55 Reply

If women didn't have smaller brains, they might be able to think more clearly and comprehend all the things us men think of that make the world go round.

God made Eve for Adam, not the other way around.

All they are is a pair of tits, vagoo, and ass. Thats all they will ever be is a piece of meat.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:10:43 Reply

At 2/8/10 09:17 PM, MXZ-SwordPrince wrote: (Answear) because their woman

Go on...


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:12:25 Reply

At 2/8/10 10:09 PM, kamelona wrote: If women didn't have smaller brains, they might be able to think more clearly and comprehend all the things us men think of that make the world go round.


All they are is a pair of tits, vagoo, and ass. Thats all they will ever be is a piece of meat.

lol, jk.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-08 22:25:05 Reply

At 2/8/10 10:01 PM, C-Hawk wrote:
At 2/8/10 09:48 PM, BenwaHakubi wrote: Plus feminists blow things way out of preportion. So someone got called a slut. Big deal. Guys get called bad names too, like asshole or dickhead.

Although "asshole" applies to everyone because we all have one, lol.

Don't forget that some names that apply to women are thrown at men in an offensive manner, such as "cunt" and "bitch".

That I find to be out of line because it's a derogatory way of keeping men boxed in to be tough or manly; being associated with a woman or a woman's body part. This was included in an educational video on masculinity. I generally try to avoid these words, especially when calling someone another gender or sexuality in a bad way. If you don't do that for race, why do it for those?

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 13:02:23 Reply

Most of you seem to have confused the purpose of feminist critical theory in art, though I'm not surprised because both 'feminist' and 'criticism' are terms that tend to have rather flexible definitions that the (predominantly tabloid) media and so on have a thing about twisting to bring about reactionary results amongst more mainstream groups.

With regards to surrealism, see my last post. Here's another example that I meant to add to it: Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis, a classic story of the twentieth century, and one of my favourites. Okay, so the story isn't technically surrealist in regards to its form, though it often gets thrown into discussions on similar works due to its content, so that's what Im going for here. If you're not familiar with the story, it involves a male protagonist, Gregor, who wakes up one morning and discovers he's 'morphed' into a sort of 'vermin', which is usually made out to be a cockroach or something by readers (it's translated from German obviously). It's a story of anxiety - the most popular reading of it is that Gregor, because he's relied on by all levels of his family to provide food and shelter, has retreated into an innocent, yet ugly state that he's brought upon himself by failing to measure himself. As a result, he develops the same fears as a 'vermin' and incurs the wrath of his father, who has lost all love for his son.

However, this reading ignores part of the story, and that's when his sister cares for him by bringing him scraps when Gregor's parents are acting more in the way that his transformation has become an enormous burden upon them. A feminist enlightening reading could now be that Gregor expects his sister to easily adapt to the horrible distortion he's become, because that's the order of patriarchy - it's a very common argument when it comes to masochism in art like I mentioned above. A physical example of this in the story plays out when Gregor, as the 'vermin' begins to spew gunk all over his bedroom walls as a result of him climbing around them, making the setting more repulsive than ever, but his sister is still treated strong in the way that she returns to care for him. In fact, even Venus in Furs points this out in an intensely erotic format, that masochism has a hidden controller who may not be the one actually dishing out the punishment, due to the structure of things (I think the message of that story is quite possibly a bit out of date in regards to postmodernism and all, but that's unimportant here).

A more recent example offering the same sorts of feminist readings can be seen in Woody Allen's film Deconstructing Harry (which I've mentioned approximately 4,729,360 times recently). Though not a surrealist film, many references are made to writing fiction, art, as well as Kafka and his story. To summarise, Harry humourously exaggerates the personal tragedies of his family and friends for his fiction, and at the end he expects this to be easily dealt with by them despite the fact that the fact that the effects of his writing make things even worse. He asserts that he's doing it for his own suffering. Again, a feminist reading could be that he's actually being very narcissistic, and that his unfair assumptions spur right off of this. On another note, one character interprets one of Harry's stories in exactly the same way as my imaginary feminist above might intepret The Metamorphosis... and it's a man that does this! Maybe it's not so exclusive?

Anyway, my thoughts. I thought a lot of you were just making mistakes regarding what feminism actually does in art, so I thought I'd give it a bit more thought. It's non-traditional to use feminism in art criticism, but it's not radical in the way that it might be for social sciences and politics. I blame something else for the rest, but if you know me, you'll be able to sum it up.

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 13:10:11 Reply

I agree with OP. Feminists & swords may be sharp & hard to control. But at least the sword has a point.


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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 14:56:03 Reply

Feminists won't stop until men have no rights at all and ereased from the history.

If they weren't doing this, why are they complaining at stuff already being equal?

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 15:20:19 Reply

As a woman myself I believe in equality of both sexes, which I feel we already have so I'm not going to keep banging on about it.

...Seriously it's women that come up with bullshit like this that need a proper slap and told to get back in the fucking kitchen!

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 15:45:31 Reply

I have nothing against women having equal rights and are allowed to work and buy what they want.

But what the hell are they complaining about? Do they really think they live too bad or something? Jeez...

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 15:54:15 Reply

Unfortunately its small quibbles like this that make both feminists and misogynists alike forget why there is a feminist movement. Women in the past couldn't vote, they were sold by their fathers, and prevented from seeking any other life but that of the simpering housewife or pitiful servant.
Today women across the world still live in such regimes and even in 'civilized' society women get much lower pay and are expected to be pious virgins but at the same time if they are then they are frigid and uptight.
Women who get pissed about artistic expression or pretend that porn causes all men to turn into wife beaters should look at the real issues that face them today.
Men who believe that this minority of femi-nazis are the only voice of women and some how house the true feelings of all feminists are inflammatory idiots who need to remember the horrific treatment of women up until only very recently.
These women dirty the names of those who fought so hard for the semblance of equal rights.

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Response to Feminists criticise stupid things.. 2010-02-09 16:07:09 Reply

What do you expect? They're feminists. And like every other equal rights group after the "equal rights" have been mostly granted, they refuse to take the responsibilities that come with those rights and instead continue to blame the previously-favored group for any slight whatsoever. You know, like black people still do on occasion. With feminists, this complaining is tragic because the ridiculous complaints tend to obscure the fact that there still is at least one issue, equal pay in the same jobs without respect to gender, in which the feminists could conceivably stage another righteous struggle before becoming nothing more than straw(wo)men used as a punch line like the blacks did after getting full civil rights. There might be more potential issues, not being a woman I wouldn't know, but underrepresentation in a voluntary environment isn't one of them. Nothing now is keeping women out of the sciences, or surrealist art, or whatever other than women not wanting to be in the field.