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At 2/6/10 03:07 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Post office held up by burka-clad robbers in Paris (in French)

and the copy-cats will follow.

At 2/5/10 08:06 PM, SolInvictus wrote: so why not ban other religious symbols?
because its stupid, why the hell would you bother banning something people wish to wear?

The burka hides your identity. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another simple that does so.

burqas? who gives a flying fuck?

Let's take this logic to it's conclusion. Someone in a burka murders someone. In a lineup, you have people covered in burkas. Which one is it? It's voting time. The poll attendant checks the ID against the person and...they're both in a burka.

Etc.

The makes a real problem.

At 2/5/10 03:42 PM, kamil-fucker wrote: It's not just a clothing item, it represents a religion.
In France State and religion is seperated, so they don't want people to wear such obvious signs of religion, such as the burqa in public places such as government buildings.

what the fuck

state and religion separated means that laws aren't made respecting a religious establishment or that the government doesn't establish a state religion

what it doesn't mean: people can't practice their religion freely, even if they're not harming anyone else.

As some-one before me said, muslims are pushing Sharia law in Europe for quite a while now, so its good that France gives out a signal that France values still come first, even if the ban only affects roughly 2,000 people.

WEARING THE BURQA IS NOT PUSHING ANYTHING ON ANYONE.
They're not, in this instance, trying to get anything banned changed, they just want to be left alone and DRESS how they want to ffs

you know what, I hope they do ban the burqa, so Jihad will be declared on those faggy cunts

At 2/7/10 06:10 AM, WolvenBear wrote: The burka hides your identity. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another simple that does so.

so do scarves and balaclavas here in the winter, yet i have a right to keep warm without having to care for whether or not i'm identifiable because all i'm doing is keeping warm.
at an airport/customs/security? take it off to verify your identity, end of story.

Let's take this logic to it's conclusion. Someone in a burka murders someone. In a lineup, you have people covered in burkas. Which one is it? It's voting time. The poll attendant checks the ID against the person and...they're both in a burka.

Etc.

The makes a real problem.

how is that a logical conclusion or a real problem? hiding ones identity is not unusual when crime is involved... and neither is eventually finding the culprit.

At 2/7/10 02:13 PM, WongChang wrote:

At 2/7/10 07:58 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: you know what, I hope they do ban the burqa, so Jihad will be declared on those faggy cunts

While we are at it, fuck Australia too.

By the way, Australians have pretty much excluded the Australian NATIVES from society. Talk about pricks.

so has pretty much any formerly colonialist nation; nothing new.
but unless Native Australians wear burqas, i don't see how thats relevant.

although, according to old-school anthropology Aboriginal women were very poorly treated, as is the argument going around for Muslim women.

At 2/7/10 02:13 PM, WongChang wrote: While we are at it, fuck Australia too.

no, fuck you.

By the way, Australians have pretty much excluded the Australian NATIVES from society. Talk about pricks.

what in gods name does this have to do with anything. How does banning a clothing item compare to the treatment of an indigenous Australians

first off, they were treated poorly when Australia was first settled, though i would argue better than most other natives that were colonised. Sure, a lot of them were killed, but it wasn't just wholesale slaughter, after the initial arrival period, laws were established that killing an aboriginal in anything but self defence would be punishable by death.
Sure, they were treated poorly, but I don't see how you can apply this argument specifically to australia

and anyway, we have such left wing governments that aboriginals essentially their own set of rights

They get government benefits just for being aboriginal, and that's on top of the already huge welfare that everyone else can receive. There are countless government schemes and initiatives to help aboriginals get out of poverty and find jobs etc. If you're aboriginal and do even remotely well on your high school exams, then you can pretty much get into any course you want, AND the government will pay for it.

Sooooo.... They're against the way Islamic countries force women to wear the burqa, and they're combating it by forcing women not to wear it against their will. I see the logic there.

At 2/6/10 03:07 PM, AapoJoki wrote:

Post office held up by burka-clad robbers in Paris (in French)

criminals can hide their face in so many ways, that is just one of them, so banning them wont make much of a difference.

anyone hear anything about more burqa-wearing criminals? i'm honestly surprised that burglary didn't start a trend.

anyone hear anything about more burqa-wearing criminals? i'm honestly surprised that burglary didn't start a trend.

I read in the BBC that France has just refused a Muslim man who forces his wife to wear a Burka, citizenship.
That's right boy's & girls, you want to force a woman to wear a demeaning piece of clothing that has nothing at all to do with the Muslim religion...You aren't getting to be a French citizen any time soon.

This guy also feels, as per many Muslim men, he requires men & women to be seperated in his home, will not shake hands with a woman & considers that women are inferior beings !
The BBC story, searchable at their sitebut...

Here's a better story in Al Jazeera .
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe /2010/02/20102311368461133.html

I like this...I wish we could get Canadian Government to implement this...after all We are officially English & french here ~;)

Double post...but its a good day news wise for it !

http://www.smh.com.au/world/strangebuttr ue/groom-goes-to-kiss-bride---and-discov ers-she-is-bearded-20100211-nsrg.html

If you really couldn't see a reason to get rid of those face sheilds...maybe you will now change your mind !

Or maybe just maybe (If most of them look that bad) we might wan tto make the damn things manditroy for al the ugly ones ;)

At 2/7/10 02:00 PM, SolInvictus wrote: so do scarves and balaclavas here in the winter, yet i have a right to keep warm without having to care for whether or not i'm identifiable because all i'm doing is keeping warm.
at an airport/customs/security? take it off to verify your identity, end of story.

Yet no one wears scarvers and face masks inside during a snowstorm. No one refuses to take off those things for religious reasons. Bad comparison.

how is that a logical conclusion or a real problem? hiding ones identity is not unusual when crime is involved... and neither is eventually finding the culprit.

You're not very bright are you boss? And you haven't thought about this at all have you?

At 2/10/10 04:32 PM, morefngdbs wrote: I read in the BBC that France has just refused a Muslim man who forces his wife to wear a Burka, citizenship.
That's right boy's & girls, you want to force a woman to wear a demeaning piece of clothing that has nothing at all to do with the Muslim religion...You aren't getting to be a French citizen any time soon.

The quran speaks to the believing women remaining covered. The burqa has something to do with Islam.

At 2/10/10 04:32 PM, morefngdbs wrote: I read in the BBC that France has just refused a Muslim man who forces his wife to wear a Burka, citizenship.
That's right boy's & girls, you want to force a woman to wear a demeaning piece of clothing that has nothing at all to do with the Muslim religion...You aren't getting to be a French citizen any time soon.

And yet, if you're the french government, there's no problem FORCING women not to wear them, even when they want to.

At 2/11/10 05:20 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

And yet, if you're the french government, there's no problem FORCING women not to wear them, even when they want to.

Well, I'm not sure women want to wear that.
And at the end of the day, isn't it better for the government to force these women to abide by the social values of the country they live in rather than seeing husbands forcing their wives to wear such an item if clothing ?

I don't like Sarkozy's government and I hate Eric Besson even more, but wearing a burka or a niqab is definitely not a sign of a woman wanting to integrate. As Sarkozy once said "France, love it or leave it."

At 2/11/10 08:46 AM, guiguidarkblue wrote: Well, I'm not sure women want to wear that.

Plenty of them do. I personally know some who do.

And at the end of the day, isn't it better for the government to force these women to abide by the social values of the country they live in rather than seeing husbands forcing their wives to wear such an item if clothing ?

No. The government should mind their own damn business.

At 2/11/10 04:42 AM, WolvenBear wrote: The quran speaks to the believing women remaining covered. The burqa has something to do with Islam.

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Sorry boy...Yer WRONG !
It says that dressing modestly, nothing about draping a fuckin' tent over a female.

But more to the point this religion is just another reason all religions should be treated like the CULTs they truely are.
When people have to be forced to follow the rules of a religion, & I say forced for Muslims... because if you don't follow it in many countries they'll fucking KILL YOU ! So when one is forced to follow a religion...IMO its way past time to treat that cult like any other. Take away their property, take away their tax free status, police them until they scream & run away to some 3rd/4th world shithole where even there....they actually don't even belong.

Only if a person who wants to worship a certain way , can decide tomorrow, they no longer want to bother...or they want to try a different religion &THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REPRICUSSIONS FOR THAT DECISSION , then let this cult operate like any other 'club'. They can have their rules while playing make believe at their local club house, but in public they must respect the laws of the land .

Also for those who wish to rebute my claims of the full face veil not being an actual requirement of the Koran.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5 411320.stm

as this article claims & i've seen it in many other places.
The Full body & face covering is what radical muslim scholars are calling for. But IMO anyone who claims that a women is an inferior being, which these Bozo's also teach & work very hard to make everyone believe their bullshit...Nothing they say should be taken seriously at all.
What I do know is I'd rather die on my feet, than kneel to one of these moron's or their "belief's" for even 1 second !
Women are no more second class beings than men are !
Those of us who live in a democratic country, shouldn't even allow them in, if they are unwilling to adopt our values & equality of the sexes, is one of our values.

So far France is the only country that's doing it right.

At 2/11/10 09:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Also for those who wish to rebute my claims of the full face veil not being an actual requirement of the Koran.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5 411320.stm

That's because it's not in the Quran, it's in the Hadiths. The Hadiths are holy books and stories of Islam similar to many portions of the Christian Bible. Islam has more than one holy book. Because of the wide range of the Hadiths, they are open to many different interpretations which leads to different beliefs in Islam.

Also, just because something isn't explicitly required in the holy book of a religion does not mean that it's not related or relevant. For example, the Catholic rite of Communion isn't mandated by the Bible as far as I know, but they do it anyway. Meanwhile, plenty of other types of Christians don't do the Communion thing. Same basic religion, different interpretations.

as this article claims & i've seen it in many other places.
The Full body & face covering is what radical muslim scholars are calling for. But IMO anyone who claims that a women is an inferior being, which these Bozo's also teach & work very hard to make everyone believe their bullshit...Nothing they say should be taken seriously at all.
What I do know is I'd rather die on my feet, than kneel to one of these moron's or their "belief's" for even 1 second !
Women are no more second class beings than men are !
Those of us who live in a democratic country, shouldn't even allow them in, if they are unwilling to adopt our values & equality of the sexes, is one of our values.

Since when does democracy imply gender equality?

At 2/11/10 05:18 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: That's because it's not in the Quran, it's in the Hadiths. The Hadiths are holy books and stories of Islam

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THey're about as holy as the bible is, as my recent National Geographic magazine is & until GOD/ALLAH?JEHOVA himself appears & hands us a fuckin book...Its all MAN MADE BULLSHIT !

And manmade bullshit is not holy...it might be a man made rule book...It is a man made religion's book,or books, but again that doesn't make it holy.

Since when does democracy imply gender equality?

As soon as a Democratic Country decides that Equality of the sexes is required, then it no longer is implied...It is LAW.
Which also doesn't make it Holy...It just makes it the Law of that Nation, & if you or anyone else wish to become a citizen of that Nation, you have to agree to abide by its laws & Frances declaration that you also have to be open to assimilation into French Culture. That gives them the right to include or exclude you.
The French thankfully realise that it is detrimental to allow 13th century thinking in a 21st century world , I applaud them for it.

The burqa represents misogyny, oppressive sand-age ideals and religious fundamentalism. It spreads like cancer, the french are trying to nip it in the bud. The measure of banning a piece of clothing is less oppressive than being forced to wear said piece of clothing, and yes I know they're all not made to wear it but some are. I just see this as a first step to ridding France of backward culture. Hopefully in a few years it will be gone from France completely, and hopefully other countries around the place follow. Else, they can enjoy their Eurabia.