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I have some suggestions from Tom, but ultimately this forum will be defined by what you guys submit here.

So if there's something you'd definitely like to see or definitely don't want to see, let me know.

I imagine we'll at least have a contest when Writersblock shows up.

I feel that there shouldn't be any official threads for stories or anything like that, but perhaps an official thread for reviewing pieces of writing that people have?

I would love the competition thing though and feel that it would be a great part of the forum.

At 1/26/10 04:03 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

I imagine we'll at least have a contest when Writersblock shows up.

Woop woop.

I don't know. I see this being a part for people to ask advise on writing and I suppose submit their creative story ideas in the hope good writers can aid them. As for submitting stories here, I don't know. Depends if there will be a Lit Portal I suppose.

Make snide comments about the many possible ways someone can improve their writing.

You know, what people do anyway.

At 1/26/10 04:04 PM, Fro wrote: I feel that there shouldn't be any official threads for stories or anything like that, but perhaps an official thread for reviewing pieces of writing that people have?

Like, a thread where people just post a link to their writing and a bunch of people give it a review?

At 1/26/10 04:03 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: So if there's something you'd definitely like to see or definitely don't want to see, let me know.

I don't want to see a lot of effortless crap here in the forums, or people insulting other peoples work with no constructive criticism.

I imagine we'll at least have a contest when Writersblock shows up.

Count me in.

At 1/26/10 04:05 PM, SCTE3 wrote: As for this forum I imagine users will make threads for themselves and post short stories, stories, novel ideas, poems, etc., etc.

Excellent, I'm loving the idea of poems in the forum, I can contribute some in the near future.

I'm going to love seeing how this forum blooms in the future.

Same here, should be great.

I feel that this should be a place where people can get ideas for flash scripts. Also if a writer wants some work, or if someone needs someone to write scripts, this would be a good place to go.

I've got various unrelated chunks of creative freeflow writing i'd like to share, but i'm curious as to which way we could do this.

Perhaps something similar to the art forum, in that a user has his/her own specific topic in which they add their content? I do like the idea suggested by Fro, but I have a feeling it might get crowded with nonsense, and be another one of those 200 page long illegible post-whore contests. :(

At 1/26/10 04:03 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: I have some suggestions from Tom, but ultimately this forum will be defined by what you guys submit here.

So if there's something you'd definitely like to see or definitely don't want to see, let me know.

I imagine we'll at least have a contest when Writersblock shows up.

I would just like to see this forum have writers share their stuff and we critique it and give them ideas on how to improve it. Another idea is maybe have a writing workshop for the more experienced writers. So they can pass along helpful tips and words of wisdom to the less experienced writers.

What I don'twant to see is just a couple of paragraphs,or just someone posting a plot and expecting us to write him, or her a story for them.

I'm pretty sure I have more suggestions,but those are the ones that are on my mind at the moment.

Oh since there's an actual forum now do you think we will have more writing contests?

At 1/26/10 04:05 PM, SCTE3 wrote: As for this forum I imagine users will make threads for themselves and post short stories, stories, novel ideas, poems, etc., etc.

I'm going to love seeing how this forum blooms in the future.

Yeah, I think this thing needs to support variation, definitely. Scriptwriting is hopefully going ot be a big thing for me, and I'm slowly learning about the technicalities. I can give some links in a different thread if people are interested in that.

It probably goes without saying, but it makes the forum that little more attractive. Some formats will be more popular than others (short stories > all, I think), but yeah, as long as the option's there.

At 1/26/10 04:08 PM, Tramps wrote: Shall we re-post stories previously written?

I think this should be a yes. Of course, I have no say in the matter, but I see no harm in getting some fresh perspectives. If the story is months/years old, it might even be worth going over it and redrafting it?

I'll refrain from giving my own views on what should and should not be now. This thing took me by surprise!

GumOnShoe, I think you should make a forum guideline regarding submitting work here in the forum as we will probably have topics with mass walls of text with nothing to go by, not to mention this forum will definitely need organising over time so we might aswell get it over and done with.

I'm willing to help you with any rules you need feedback on or if you need any help with suggestions.
Shoot me up with a PM if so.

You guys need to raise the character capacity.

I'm more concerned with what Tramps said than for the most part what will go on here- Story threads have long since been disallowed on the forums and obviously that will not be the case anymore, but what I'm worried about would be for instance, would story threads ala FbiPolux's NG story be allowed? Would Choose your own adventure threads be allowed?

The main question I have is that are they under different consideration now, since before when they were banned it was a question of 'what was this adding?', considering story threads would get a decent showing of replies and would more often than not never be finished, leaving most of the replies to 'hey cool story' and 'hey can I be in this?', with CYOA threads getting the ass-end of it being mostly 'I choose C' posts and such, leaving little room for discussion and overall adding nothing to the forum.

So basically my question is is are those two types of threads going to be viewed in a different light? I understand most of the people who wanted a writing forum wanted those to be the first things allowed (Atleast back when they were first made rules against them). Will they still be considered garbage made for the sake of having a long topic or +1 replies, or will they be allowed?

At 1/26/10 04:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/10 04:10 PM, HighWayStar365 wrote: I feel that this should be a place where people can get ideas for flash scripts. Also if a writer wants some work, or if someone needs someone to write scripts, this would be a good place to go.

Agreed - I would really like to have some contests where the winning short stories get made into movies. They would have to be a manageable length though. It's a great way to get writers, voice actors, musicians, artists and animators all working together.

That's basically the wider goal of the whole site though, isn't it?

Still, inspiration for flash movies would be brilliant, especially if you can produce better quality pieces to hit the portal.

I'm home :D

At 1/26/10 04:17 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: So basically my question is is are those two types of threads going to be viewed in a different light? I understand most of the people who wanted a writing forum wanted those to be the first things allowed (Atleast back when they were first made rules against them). Will they still be considered garbage made for the sake of having a long topic or +1 replies, or will they be allowed?

My main concern is that we probably don't want too many of these on the forums, so perhaps voting should occur only on a user page post, but the story could be posted in here. I don't know. That's why we're having this discussion now.

We'll also have to see how the forum develops over time.

I will say, right now, if you are copying someone else's work expect to be banned and have your thread/post deleted. I think that goes with out question if you are claiming the work as your own.

At 1/26/10 04:16 PM, DumbassDude wrote: GumOnShoe, I think you should make a forum guideline regarding submitting work here in the forum

I agree hugely with this. I always knew that this thing would be spammed to begin with, but as long as there are no rules, people will get stupid about this. Additionally, I'm not entirely sure whether we should have a lounge, but I guess we might as well see what happens with Fro's thread.

Additionally, I agree with Timmy's suggestion about using the art forum's format.

My own personal view on sexual material, since I'm interested in sexual comedy and erotic literature, is that it's probably fine, and to be honest, it's always been a feature of NG. However, because extreme erotica can fall into the boundaries of breaking laws (look up the guy who wrote that fan-fic about Girls Aloud being sexually tortured), then some lines would need to be drawn in accordance with the rules.

Ah-hm!

At 1/26/10 04:20 PM, Coop83 wrote:

At 1/26/10 04:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/26/10 04:10 PM, HighWayStar365 wrote:

I'm home :D

Good, there's a pile of dishes for you to do, the lawnd needs mowing, the animals need feeding, your cloths need folding, and the dirty underware needs washing.

I can't wait to see what all the Ng'ers will come up with :3

i'll have something of my own up soon.

At 1/26/10 04:21 PM, Scarab wrote:

My own personal view on sexual material, since I'm interested in sexual comedy and erotic literature, is that it's probably fine, and to be honest, it's always been a feature of NG. However, because extreme erotica can fall into the boundaries of breaking laws (look up the guy who wrote that fan-fic about Girls Aloud being sexually tortured), then some lines would need to be drawn in accordance with the rules.

Ah-hm!

The problem with that guy though was that he created a story using real life people. I think as long as subject matter here does not involve real people I don't see why there needs to be a limit at all on content. As long as we give a clear indication when we submit/post stories what the reader can expect. The usual "NC-17: Includes graphic sex scenes and blood blah blah" should do the trick. Then it's down to the reader if they want to continue or not.

Also yes, god yes we need guidelines :3

make a rule saying that if someone is going to make a flash out of your story, they have to get permission from the writer first.

At 1/26/10 04:21 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: My main concern is that we probably don't want too many of these on the forums, so perhaps voting should occur only on a user page post, but the story could be posted in here. I don't know. That's why we're having this discussion now.

Right, but that also brings up another problem, being that when they tried that in general it failed pretty massively, either not getting the necessary feedback to exist or coexist with other threads or failing that getting reduced to most people bumping it for the sake of getting their work read.

We'll also have to see how the forum develops over time.

I guess so.

I will say, right now, if you are copying someone else's work expect to be banned and have your thread/post deleted. I think that goes with out question if you are claiming the work as your own.

Obviously plagiarism shouldn't be an issue as far as rulemaking goes considering it should mostly go without saying.

Another question, how many different types of works will be allowed? Writing and stories will obviously dictate the forum, but what about scripts, poetry, song, expository/ persuasive writing, media (ie: game, movie, album) reviews, etc.?

For that matter, I feel that there should be a serious boost to the character limit in this forum. 8,000 is plenty enough for a discussion, but can be a tad shallow for an ongoing narrative, but that's a different qualm altogether.

Why hello there...

I'm an Art forum reg, and I like the way things are handled over there. So if anything you should like at the Art Forum and get some solutions to implement here.

Also... I've been molding the idea of a writer/artist collaboration.

NOTE: this is probably going to look horribly formatted since I'm copy-pasting multiple posts...

I envisioned this to be an event where writers and artists can drop in every now and then and add to the library of stories/art.
Writers write something, artists draw something, it's taken by someone and something awesome happens. Small scale, flexible, few strings attached.

Basically there are two ways for people to contribute: they either A) write a story an artist can take or B) create artwork a writer can take.

I for instance drop in a story of about 1000 words, this is added to the newspost containing two lists, one for stories, one for art. An artist reads it, likes it and decides to visually recreate a scene, character or something from the story. Multiple if they like.
The story is then reserved by the artist and he does his/her thing, the result is then uploaded and shown to the world.
Vice versa for writers: they see inspiring artwork from the list and create a story around it.

The writings could be integrated into the art in a million ways, though it would be up to the writers and artists to further develop ideas.

I was thinking every now and then a selection can be made and compiled into Flash format to be uploaded as a Flash submission.

Only one artist can take a story at a time. I was thinking a week for both writers and artists to do their thing after reservation. If someone says they can't do it, or the week goes by without anything, the story or artwork becomes 'free'.
After the artist/writer is done and submits his work, the story or artwork may become free once more for someone else to take up.

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That's the jist of it.

At 1/26/10 04:25 PM, Gagsy wrote: The problem with that guy though was that he created a story using real life people. I think as long as subject matter here does not involve real people I don't see why there needs to be a limit at all on content. As long as we give a clear indication when we submit/post stories what the reader can expect. The usual "NC-17: Includes graphic sex scenes and blood blah blah" should do the trick. Then it's down to the reader if they want to continue or not.

Yeah, I back this. There might be some other areas that leak into breaking the standard forum rules, but nothing pops out at me right now. With any luck, it will just come down to common sense on the user's part. I'm all for letting people post what they want in the majority of cases obviously. That's practically what makes NG for interesting in the first place, as we know.

At 1/26/10 04:28 PM, blazer133 wrote: make a rule saying that if someone is going to make a flash out of your story, they have to get permission from the writer first.

My view on this is a bit split. Going by what's important to NG, we're not really the ones that can stand up and pretend to be in control here. If any of us complained about a creditting problem, it probably wouldn't be worth acting on unless it was a serious case of some sort. However, I do think the new collab forum will help people talk to each other anyway. The major issue on this topic, I think, is communication and working together to produce something great.

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Sorry if it looks like I'm putting my opinion down in a very forceful way. I've kind of been thinking about what I personally can do for writers here for a while, and my mind is racing a mile a minute here, haha.

At 1/26/10 04:34 PM, Scarab wrote: I'm all for letting people post what they want in the majority of cases obviously. That's practically what makes NG for interesting in the first place, as we know.

To be honest I'd be fucked if the was a limit >;(

I want to make some bizzare crude stories.

So basically now I can start "The New Ground's Story 2"?

A.K.A. have my own thread for my story like in 2005? Sweet :)

Anyways, I was wondering if I could simply re-post old threads in there, such as the one in my signature, and the complete New Ground's story (Unless I should just wait for a Lit portal, which seems like it's actually going to happen...) :P

Other than that, a character limit of 20,000 per posts for this forum is the best idea I have. ><

At 1/26/10 04:13 PM, TomFulp wrote: Agreed - I would really like to have some contests where the winning short stories get made into movies. They would have to be a manageable length though. It's a great way to get writers, voice actors, musicians, artists and animators all working together.

Wow, I was thinking about something similar yesterday. I even sent a PM to a few Flash Artists but didn't get in touch with Luis yet.

Bastards.

At 1/26/10 04:30 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote:

I don't know if we'll have quality threshold at all yet. We might, I don't know.

- scripts

We definitely will allow these in some form because Flash movies obviously need them on some level, though I'm not sure that storyboards would count as "Writing" material, I think that they wouldn't anyway. What say you guys?

- poetry/song

Poetry should be allowed. Songs are really just poetry with instrumentals. If it could belong in audio, I'd say post it there for now until the audio forum mods and the writing forum mods come up with something more defined. You probably shouldn't be posting tracks here. Lyrics are different though.

- expository/ persuasive writing
- media (ie: game, movie, album) reviews, etc.?

Where we have a place for this already, they should probably go there. For instance, a video game review would be better off in the video game section.

A movie review might better be in general. Same with albums.

I imagine that if you are coming here, it should probably be in an attempt to have your work read and receive comments on. This is still a forum, and since this is a writing forum if you post a piece of writing here, I think you should expect to have a conversation on the actual writing, not necessarily the subject matter.

Political pieces still probably go in politics. Consider this to be more like the new animation forum.

Works in progress, and pieces which are "literary" in nature are definitely safe. If it could go elsewhere, it probably should. If you're looking for writing advice or want to talk about the act of writing then you are probably in the right place.

We'll figure out over time how much self-advertisement we're going to allow and what form.

For that matter, I feel that there should be a serious boost to the character limit in this forum. 8,000 is plenty enough for a discussion, but can be a tad shallow for an ongoing narrative, but that's a different qualm altogether.

I'm not sure if that can be done to an individual forum. You may need to use userpages if you are unwilling to have your piece broken up. Eventually, we'll have the writing portal, of course. I think its the next "new" forum on the docket if you don't consider the dumping grounds system to be a portal, which it is.