At 12/4/12 10:56 AM, Deathcon7 wrote:
I leave this here because it's not worth a thread but I feel it should be said.On Losing Faith
I think I can sympathize with you. I was in the same position, perhaps a few years later. Trying to be a programmer and GustTheASGuy dissing my every attempt and calling me an "idiot". And eventually I realized he was usually right.
There's a lot of people like this. I have a friend in real life like this as well. They can have this sort of "binary vision", where something is either complete shit, or the greatest thing ever. There is no in-between, and you stay at it, working hard, because you know you could eventually fall into their latter category. And they'd keep calling your work shit, but you know you're improving.
But I stuck with it. I could never impress Gus, as he left NG some time ago. However, I eventually managed to impress this real-life friend who had these perfectionist standards.
As frustrated as I can get with how abrasive mhzinski can be, I am thankful for the role he has decided to play around here. He has helped me realize no matter how hard I try, it's wasted effort.
And that's the thing. You only feel it's wasted effort. I remember reading this biography about Steve Jobs, and how he also had this twisted binary vision of the world, and would assume everyone's work was shit unless proven otherwise.
I've always seen you as an awesome writer, and I've always enjoyed reading your work, ever since the early beginnings of these MWC's, and I remember you were among the writers I was intimidated by. I'm not aware of the work you do outside of NG, but I really think you could shape the future of NG's writing community here.
NG's writing community is in a very sensitive state right now. It was once flourishing to an extent, but it has died and now is the rebirth. The hardest thing is gaining traction, and we'll eventually get it, with there being a literature portal in the works. It's just a matter of time. We can either wait for that to happen, or nurture a writing community that could flourish once the gates of a new portal open.
I tried to start up the Write-Up in the hopes of doing something that would get me better involved but over the past few days I've gone from enthusiastic to indifferent
The thing is, that write up is a pretty experimental kind of contest, and it's usually harder to get people to join such things.
I think the problem is that the contest thread itself looks scary. There's a lot of text, and a huge deadline, implying a high standard of submissions that could scare off a lot of people. And sure, this is a writing contest, so the writers could at least be expected to read the contest's rules and whatnot, but I'm not sure if we're there yet.
Also, the general forum is like this awful, secluded, dark corner on Newgrounds. All of the website is filled with these creative, talented and (mostly) nice individuals, and the players and the userbase who love and support Newgrounds. Then there are these bunch of people, with ad-blockers, who don't play the games nor watch the movies, who just hang around the general forum. (Not that everyone there is like that, but still)
I don't consider the general forum a part of Newgrounds. It only taints its image. You could post this in the art, animation or flash forums, and you'd get way better support.
I also think the only thing you really needed to do was tell Tom about it so he mentions it in a post on the front page.
We could try sizing down the experiment. Instead of a 3 month project about game design documents and movie scripts, perhaps try something shorter and more concentrated, something to tie together the corners of newgrounds.
Do you remember the movie jam? Writers filled a thread with these short movie ideas, and animators animated them in 3 days. It worked because anyone could join, it would only take a few minutes or hours to write something, and animators weren't burdened because the script was only a short premise that they could interpret as they wished rather than a 5 minute movie on which they'd have to work for months on.
Perhaps you could try organizing a game jam? Where, like the movie jam, writers would plot out ideas and game mechanics, and developers would have to choose something from that. I think that could be really fun. It would be amazing for people to see their ideas being brought to life, and it would be fun for developers to be able to choose from a variety of game ideas.
Sure, there would be no detailed writing in the conventional sense, more like ideas being thrown around. But this is what the writing forum is about. Both for encouraging literature and the creative design that could be manifested in games and movies.
I even remember Tom saying one of the main reasons for a lit portal is to be able to upload a post-mortem of a game, and tie it with the submission, which would encourage more developers to write about how their game did and the process behind it.
I think you can do something here. We just need to keep trying.