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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-09 00:20:58 Reply

At 2 hours ago, JohnEndel959 wrote: Speaking of the redesign, are they going to add more auras? I didn't see one I really like...

We are all melancholy that there are no auras for writers.


Giving out writing reviews to anyone who wants them (exception: poems. I'll find you).

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-09 17:24:30 Reply

I want to be able to actually post content to Newgrounds, and have a reason for dressing up my profile page (because as anyone who isn't a contributor knows you get practically NO traffic). I also want to be able to have a copyright on the stuff I make, rather than just throwing it to the wind on a forum where it'll disappear after a few days of no posting. You know, having a secure place on the website where you KNOW your work is, and where people can look at it...

...And I agree with the disdain at the lack of a writer aura. I do rap, so I figured "musician" was close enough, but it just feels wrong because I write a lot of things. I'm a writer.

Myeeehhhh

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-10 06:04:48 Reply

At 1 day ago, DeftAndEvil wrote: IN A LESS SOMBER AND WHINY NOTE:
here'sthe link to the MWC HQ.

Wow, talk about a thread that I've posted too much in...

At 1 day ago, Re2deemer wrote: Oh hello there writers. Don't mind me, just your neighbourhood artists that poked around the site and found something that might be of interest to you and that I haven't seen discussed anywhere.

Yes, that's a nice tool - did you also notice that now the Dumping Grounds accepts .doc and .txt files?

At 1 day ago, DeftAndEvil wrote:
At 2 hours ago, JohnEndel959 wrote: Speaking of the redesign, are they going to add more auras? I didn't see one I really like...
We are all melancholy that there are no auras for writers.

It'll come. We're in the ascendancy under this version of Newgrounds, I feel.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-10 11:46:06 Reply

At 5 hours ago, Coop wrote: It'll come. We're in the ascendancy under this version of Newgrounds, I feel.

Do you really think so? I think video games and movies will remain the mainstay of NG. Nevertheless, I will hold out hope for this. Perhaps there will be more focus on pushing the literary aspect of multimedia. It would be nice, especially if NG wants to legitimize and take part in serious artistic endeavors. Advent Rising should have been the proof in the pudding, but I think the console market wanted mindless FPS. I'm hoping Kingdoms of Amalur and SW:tOR will serve as the motivating factors in revitalizing the importance of storytelling in interactive multimedia. As far as passive multimedia... well, there have been some well-written stories, but if comedy is the central staple, I don't know. WAFO, I guess. As writers we need to start pushing out ideas and acquiring artists that are willing to commit to making things happen. The result should be a marked improvement in quality. I'm sure this'll push producers to seek our services, so to speak, when polishing a project.

As an aside, I'm going to be working on revamping the MWC this weekend, as well as the Review Request process. Given that these will be reboots, I'm looking to create completely new threads. If you don't mind, Coop, please sign off on this. Everyone else, please PM me any ideas you have for either of these. Maybe organization won't bring the results we want, but we should try. Having a traffic driving activity, and a pseudo lit portal, should help us to inject some more life into this place.

Anyone looking to judge the new MWCs, please PM me. I'm looking for the full range of experience, and a variety in writing styles. So don't be shy. I will, however, rely on those proven a part of this community, and are invested in its growth. Again, and I know your time is limited so I'll take it easy on you, I'll pass my final ideas by you, Coop, just to ensure things are copacetic. Over the weekend I'll try to be on Facebook, AIM/MSN, and Skype/Oovoo as much as possible. I want this to be a community effort, so please do not hesitate to contact me. I'll be posting up my plans later tonight. Maybe we can get a counsel going. I know if I do this alone I'll end up overlooking something(s).

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-10 13:12:10 Reply

At 42 minutes ago, FBIpolux wrote: I would give my help as a judge, but seeing my English isn't as good as most of you guys, I'll pass.

Just to be clear, you wouldn't be judging based on proper use of English. I'm looking to get in at least 1 or 2 judges that are respected, and instead of providing literary critique, provide pure opinion as as enthusiast and reader. But if you do like to write, and you can also provide technical analysis, that'll be a definite plus!

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-10 19:08:01 Reply

At 7 hours ago, Deathcon7 wrote:
At 5 hours ago, Coop wrote: It'll come. We're in the ascendancy under this version of Newgrounds, I feel.
Do you really think so? I think video games and movies will remain the mainstay of NG.

Without good writing, neither video games, nor movies can make it to the forefront. I think that nowadays, people are less likely to be able to "do it all", like Adam Phillips, Krinkels and people like them did in the past. More often than not, people are helping one another in developing games and movies alike. Tom has already stated that the idea of a power of three including a writer at some stage is a good idea.

As an aside, I'm going to be working on revamping the MWC this weekend, as well as the Review Request process. Given that these will be reboots, I'm looking to create completely new threads. If you don't mind, Coop, please sign off on this.

Gladly - what resources do you require?

Everyone else, please PM me any ideas you have for either of these. Maybe organization won't bring the results we want, but we should try. Having a traffic driving activity, and a pseudo lit portal, should help us to inject some more life into this place.

I was thinking something to do with an observational monologue. A guy stuck in traffic, waiting for the cars in front of him to move stops to consider the world, for example. Just a quick one thrown out there, but it also focuses the minds of the writers here on developing descriptive terminology - something which I feel that some of our writers have lacked in other MWCs.

Anyone looking to judge the new MWCs, please PM me. I'm looking for the full range of experience, and a variety in writing styles. So don't be shy. I will, however, rely on those proven a part of this community, and are invested in its growth.

Thanks for this and anyone willing to help, please invest time and effort into the community, to get something back. It's a very rewarding thing to do.

Again, and I know your time is limited so I'll take it easy on you, I'll pass my final ideas by you, Coop, just to ensure things are copacetic.

I was going to say how glad I am to have an Oxford English Dictionary at my desk, but the whole effect was rather ruined by the fact that copacetic (adj; slang - satisfactory) was not in there.

Over the weekend I'll try to be on Facebook, AIM/MSN, and Skype/Oovoo as much as possible. I want this to be a community effort, so please do not hesitate to contact me.

I'm trying to be on AIM more these days, particularly with other goings on, regarding NG.

I'll be posting up my plans later tonight. Maybe we can get a counsel going. I know if I do this alone I'll end up overlooking something(s).

That's the sort of organisation I was after - now we need to build on this.

At 6 hours ago, FBIpolux wrote: I would give my help as a judge, but seeing my English isn't as good as most of you guys, I'll pass.

Why would that matter? You can still read and while English is not your first language, you probably speak it better than 10% of the UK populous, at least.

Read some of the other submissions and see if you can critique them. We're not starting straight away, so see if you feel comfortable with it. I'm hardly a master of grammar, but I just look more like one, because i pick holes in everyone else's :P

Seriously though, I feel that your contributions would be welcome here.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-11 19:26:00 Reply

Wow, finally glad I found somewhere to post my literary works. I don't write much, it's more of a hobby, but I'm currently working on something huge at the moment.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-12 18:33:20 Reply

At 23 hours ago, DarkAlmighty wrote: Wow, finally glad I found somewhere to post my literary works. I don't write much, it's more of a hobby, but I'm currently working on something huge at the moment.

Well, while you're working on something huge, perhaps you'd like to share what you've done other than that?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-13 12:21:56 Reply

Salutations all, I'm G and I've been around NG for a LONG time. I remember playing Johnny Rocketfingers and falling in love with the suppish (not giving a fuck) attitude, the style of the writer/animator, I only felt that it needed a better plot. Same with several other great classics on NG.

I don't have much prospect as an animator, or voice actor, or even a writer for that matter but I've always been able to string together a collective series of events and turn make a plot out of it, but I digress.

The other day I was reading and my younger sister, (She's 16, for the record.) was watching the PowerPuff Girls movie, my friend and I had started to discuss the twisted reality of it, and started creating hypothetical scenarios to which I base these ideas from. It's a very interesting twist and I feel as though I hold Parody gold. If interested, don't hesitate to contact me for I will be more than willing to share my idea to an animator that has the will and opportunity to make something of it.

Like I said I haven't done much as far as voice acting goes, besides a video or two in my youth, but I'd be more than willing to assist in the production. Have a good day and god bless.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-14 00:23:33 Reply

At 3 days ago, Deathcon7 wrote: I'm looking to get in at least 1 or 2 judges that are respected, and instead of providing literary critique, provide pure opinion as as enthusiast and reader. But if you do like to write, and you can also provide technical analysis, that'll be a definite plus!

I sent you a PM about doing just that. Let me know if you need my help, okay?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-14 01:44:47 Reply

Hey, does anyone know how to fix the problems with the special characters from Microsoft Word? I tried following directions on the internet to get it to show as plain text, saved it into Notepad as a .txt file, and when I pasted it into the box I chose to 'paste as plain text.' If there are no other ways to fix it other than just going through the entire story and replacing it by hand once it's in the box, what should I use to write instead? Google Documents?

On a completely unrelated note, I've posted up a story which I'm pretty proud of, besides all the crap with the special characters. Check out "The Mask" if you feel like it, and critique it if you can! It's my first horror story, but I've read heavily into horror, and I've also flipped through Stephen King's Danse Macabre trying to get an idea of how to craft a good scary story. I think I did well enough for a first try, but I'd like to hear where I went wrong.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-14 18:23:47 Reply

Rav, Deft: I got your PMs and your offer is appreciated and will be taken into consideration.

Due to an unforeseen scheduling fuck up, I didn't get to this this past weekend, but I should be able to do it this upcoming weekend. If anyone else wants to send their volunteer early, please PM me. It'll make launching the MWC a lot smoother.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-15 21:22:56 Reply

ALERT!!!!

A big fan of these old walls has recently attained membership ~ HURRAY! Call me Worrywart.

I'm here for collabs, but the comfort of friendly artsy shwatts is a bed I'd use for banging anyday. Writing groups I admit are full of eyeless sprigs that float around like ignorant nuns with whips, but Newgrounds is so nonchalant that I doubt I'll let another's spontaneous pontification crush my moose-faced charisma; I feel at home already!

*Brush*,*Garble*, *Spit*, *Swallow*...

Its a new day.
Kisses all around! <3

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-15 23:52:32 Reply

At 2 hours ago, MSWorrywart wrote: ALERT!!!!

That... was the most interesting introduction I have read for quite some time.

Welcome!


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-17 00:50:44 Reply

Hey, look, it's people that write stuff! Nice.

I've tried to do some of that and failed miserably (but that hasn't stopped interspecies romance writers, now has it)?

I found out about five seconds ago that you can dump your notes and assorted stuff here. That's pretty nice. I'm forcing myself to actually finish doing something longer than one chapter for once and pulling up distraction movies and such seemed like the perfect thing to distra- sorry, "inspire" me. (Who said that?)

And that's about it. Me gusta escribir y no creo que voy a parar. I also do music (which is better than the writing, even if it's less fun in the end). A story could possibly make it's way onto the interwebs but first it has to be finished.

Well then, back to writing.
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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-17 01:28:00 Reply

Uploading has actually been pretty frustrating for me. I have some one-off version of Word that doesn't save .doc files, so I'm forced to upload everything a .zip through Google Docs. FRUSTRATION.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-17 09:26:59 Reply

At 7 days ago, Coop wrote:
At 1 day ago, DeftAndEvil wrote: We are all melancholy that there are no auras for writers.
It'll come. We're in the ascendancy under this version of Newgrounds, I feel.

We should get an underdog sticker...


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-18 01:29:10 Reply

So just skimming through, I saw something about a pseudo lit portal - can anyone fill me in?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-18 11:39:08 Reply

At 5 days ago, Coop wrote:
At 23 hours ago, DarkAlmighty wrote: Wow, finally glad I found somewhere to post my literary works. I don't write much, it's more of a hobby, but I'm currently working on something huge at the moment.
Well, while you're working on something huge, perhaps you'd like to share what you've done other than that?

Haha, you think I'm talking about two different things, don't you?

What I meant is the Zelda fanfic I'm working on, which is going to be the greatest literary piece I've ever done. All I need to know is how to post it here.
Also attached an image for teaser value.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-18 19:34:40 Reply

At 1 day ago, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote:
At 7 days ago, Coop wrote:
At 1 day ago, DeftAndEvil wrote: We are all melancholy that there are no auras for writers.
It'll come. We're in the ascendancy under this version of Newgrounds, I feel.
We should get an underdog sticker...

What, like the old "Underdog of the Week" image from the Flash Portal. I can see it, barely.

At 7 hours ago, DarkAlmighty wrote:
At 5 days ago, Coop wrote:
At 23 hours ago, DarkAlmighty wrote: Wow, finally glad I found somewhere to post my literary works. I don't write much, it's more of a hobby, but I'm currently working on something huge at the moment.
Well, while you're working on something huge, perhaps you'd like to share what you've done other than that?
Haha, you think I'm talking about two different things, don't you?

Literary works is plural. I don't mean to split hairs (Okay, so I do, but just go with it for now), but what I was on about was you showing us what you've written other than this, so that you blowing your own trumpet is in some way justified.

What I meant is the Zelda fanfic I'm working on, which is going to be the greatest literary piece I've ever done. All I need to know is how to post it here.

Oh great, fan fiction. I'm not a fan, because some people feel too bound to the characters in the actual story itself, rather than taking the setting and using that, barely even referring to the "main characters". Excuse me for sounding arrogant and not holding out much hope.

How to post it here. Make a thread or better yet a News Post, so that you can edit it. Put the work in the text box and submit it. You may need more than one news post for it, but you're not held by such a limit. Then, make a thread in writing or just a post in here, with all of the links.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-25 02:19:40 Reply

Oh great, fan fiction. I'm not a fan, because some people feel too bound to the characters in the actual story itself, rather than taking the setting and using that, barely even referring to the "main characters". Excuse me for sounding arrogant and not holding out much hope.

How to post it here. Make a thread or better yet a News Post, so that you can edit it. Put the work in the text box and submit it. You may need more than one news post for it, but you're not held by such a limit. Then, make a thread in writing or just a post in here, with all of the links.

Well there's still hope. Though the first little bit revolves around canons, I do have originals set in place as the main characters.

News post, eh? Doesn't sound too bad. I might give it a try sometime in the future.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-25 12:22:37 Reply

Hey, can you guys stop posting poetry? It's pretty lame and there seems to be no real feedback other than "it is nice, but line x needs more flow." The poetry is generic and the feedback is generic; there is no stimulation of the mind, nor is there any fostering of writing talent.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-25 14:27:09 Reply

Yeah, that's fine. We'll just sit around and wait on you to post your novels and philosophies.

Everybody should just have their own thread to post allof their work.

/hypocrite

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-25 18:34:29 Reply

At 3 hours ago, BubblyMac wrote: Yeah, that's fine. We'll just sit around and wait on you to post your novels and philosophies.

Everybody should just have their own thread to post allof their work.
/hypocrite

I don't post anything because I only trust a few individuals on NG to give me feedback, and get most of my shit done via pm. It's not about attention; I don't want it; I don't care for it; I don't post for attention, unlike some. If you are gonna post something, make sure it's your goddamn best effort.

You're right; everyone should have their own thread to post all of their work, which is something we always tell newcomers. And if all of that work is piece-of-crap-five-minute poetry, with piece-of-crap-five-second commentaries, bogging down the NG writing forum--well, if I feel like complaining about it, I will. It's my right; it's your right to criticize my complaint.

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

Giving out writing reviews to anyone who wants them (exception: poems. I'll find you).

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-25 20:10:01 Reply

At 7 days ago, Coop wrote: Oh great, fan fiction. I'm not a fan, because some people feel too bound to the characters in the actual story itself, rather than taking the setting and using that, barely even referring to the "main characters". Excuse me for sounding arrogant and not holding out much hope.

Fan fiction, for me, is something of a guilty pleasure. It's something I write only sparingly, when an idea strikes that's just too good to throw away. Mostly, I think the problem lies in people letting their fandom get in the way of telling a good story. You need to be able to remove yourself from that fandom, step back from their story, step back from your own story, and figure out how you can blend the two together in a way that's both entertaining and original. If it's about fulfilling your own fantasies, it's only going to appeal to people who share your fantasies, ie. people who share your fandom, otherwise, no one else would care.

The last couple of fin fiction stories I've worked on have been more mashups/parodies than straight up fan fiction. Which is how I think it should be if you want people to read it without feeling like they need to be obsessed with the original to like your stories.

My last fan fiction was a blend of "Felix and the Sacred Thor" and "Shatnerquake" and is about a fictional version of myself nerdgasming all over the authors at a convention when the characters in "Thor" come to life by mirroring the plot of "Shatnerquake". Shameless fanfiction plug: Thorquake.

Now, by choosing niche market books, this won't make much sense to people who aren't familiar with the original stories, but the whole purpose is that I'm taking them in a new direction, and not just simply rehashing where every other fan has gone before with the typical fan fiction. I'm also currently working on a fan fiction based around "Placenta of Love", where the characters pick back up on the conflicts left hanging at the end of the book, and seek to resolve them by going to a theme park ride version of Inception. If you're particularly fond of a piece of fiction, there's nothing wrong with a bit of fan fiction, but it'll be a lot more interesting if you treat it like an original story, and not a disposable fantasy that every fanboy goes through.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-26 00:00:48 Reply

At 5 hours ago, DeftAndEvil wrote: If you are gonna post something, make sure it's your goddamn best effort.

See that's where I disagree. While I don't feel like you should be posting garbage, but I have no problem with somebody putting up a half-finished work or just a treatment if what you're seeking is criticism/help/suggestions. I think that's one of the greatest perks of having a writing community like we have.

And I wasn't calling you a hypocrite, I was calling myself one. I have two or three seperate threads just for single poems I've written. Sorry for the confusion :P


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-26 15:47:44 Reply

At 21 hours ago, DeftAndEvil wrote:
At 3 hours ago, BubblyMac wrote:
/hypocrite
Do you know what a hypocrite is?

I'm not sure, his definition of one in his signature is pretty accurate :P

At 19 hours ago, WritersBlock wrote:
At 7 days ago, Coop wrote: Oh great, fan fiction. I'm not a fan, because some people feel too bound to the characters in the actual story itself, rather than taking the setting and using that, barely even referring to the "main characters". Excuse me for sounding arrogant and not holding out much hope.
Fan fiction, for me, is something of a guilty pleasure. It's something I write only sparingly, when an idea strikes that's just too good to throw away. Mostly, I think the problem lies in people letting their fandom get in the way of telling a good story.

This, I wholeheartedly agree with - people that write fanfiction should use the concept of the world and any "special rules" that apply there, to write their own piece, with new characters, or base it around the adventures of lesser ones. Taking Mario, Jake Sulley, or Marty McFly and writing fanfiction about them has been done to death. Yet each one of them comes from a unique world, where there are differences to our own reality, that the writer can feast on.

You need to be able to remove yourself from that fandom, step back from their story, step back from your own story, and figure out how you can blend the two together in a way that's both entertaining and original. If it's about fulfilling your own fantasies, it's only going to appeal to people who share your fantasies, ie. people who share your fandom, otherwise, no one else would care.

Yep, I think that my sig pic is a link to my own fanfic, though it's based around an RPG, so people get the game world and you have to work from there. My piece is also influenced by the actions of the other four player characters and that of the storyteller. I am merely telling a story from the point of view of my character.

Shameless fanfiction plug: Thorquake.

Hmm... certainly a different concept.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-27 02:39:39 Reply

Greetings and salutations to the writing forum lounge users!
I am Anabioo, and I am interested in joining the conversation here. Pardon me if I only found it pertinent to read the current (73rd) page of the discussion. I like to write, read edit, review, draw, animate, game, compose, etc.: basically Newgrounds is my playground. I have only recently become a member, but I think the site has quickly risin to be my favorite place to spend time on the internet. I am here to help and recive help (but mostly help). I am glad to have a place to talk with people like Coop and Deathcon. I hope to get to know you guys better.
Now that the intro is over with:
ScaryPicnic, I'd be glad to help you with building a narrative. We should skype or something.
BubblyMac, I have to say I've never heard of a version of Word that won't save .doc's. Whatever you are using, you should be able to "save as" a .odf or .doc.
DeftAndEvil, I agree with BubblyMac: I also have no problem with somebody putting up a half-finished work or just a treatment if what you're seeking is criticism/help/suggestions.
In response to the critique of fanfic, I've got to say I have never read any and don't see myself ever wanting to. I most certainly do not see myself writing any, at least in the popular format. It is simply, to me, a less attractive genre. Sure, I guess it's okey, just not something I'd spend a lot of time on.
Sorry if the post was too long. BTW, I made a new sig pic. How you guys like it?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-27 02:56:32 Reply

There's a difference between a complete work and work with effort. Even if you're not finished, or you need help revising, you need to put in the effort! Help us help you. I think NG writing forum is one of the writing websites where newbies can learn the ropes and more experienced writers can get help. Writing forum ftw!


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2012-02-27 17:37:47 Reply

At 13 hours ago, Anabioo wrote: Greetings and salutations to the writing forum lounge users!

Salam.

I am here to help and recive help (but mostly help). I am glad to have a place to talk with people like Coop and Deathcon. I hope to get to know you guys better.

You should be seeing a lot more of me, now that I'm taking a more active role. Coop is the mod around here, so you'll always see him when it matters, and sometimes, too, when it doesn't. As a whole though you'll want to get to know the whole group in here. It's pretty small now, so now is the best chance to mingle with the "regulars."

DeftAndEvil, I agree with BubblyMac: I also have no problem with somebody putting up a half-finished work or just a treatment if what you're seeking is criticism/help/suggestions.

Deft isn't arguing this fact. Him and I share similar views in this regard. If someone is posting up a barely work piece because they need help, fine. Post some supporting details: what's the issue, what's the objective, what's not working. The problem arises when these 250 word ramblings, typed straight into the post box, show up in the forum. There's no supporting details, no context, nothing. Given that this forum is in its infancy, we want to increase quality of threads, over quantity of threads. Plus, in trying to attract more quality critics and enthusiasts, this low level of quality just doesn't fly.

In response to the critique of fanfic, I've got to say I have never read any and don't see myself ever wanting to. I most certainly do not see myself writing any, at least in the popular format. It is simply, to me, a less attractive genre. Sure, I guess it's okey, just not something I'd spend a lot of time on.

It's not always so bad. It's like writing with training wheels. Eventually you should move on to your own creative endeavors, but starting with fan fiction is in no way a detriment to a writer's growth. Again, the caveat being that they don't grow beyond just writing fan fiction.

Sorry if the post was too long. BTW, I made a new sig pic. How you guys like it?

For the most part we're writers. Compared to the average length of posts, yours would actually be considered fairly short :P