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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 10:53:54 Reply

At 1/27/10 10:34 AM, Coop83 wrote: So I've been bandying around a little idea in my head for a while now (Plenty of space there, ho ho!) and what would you guys think of a Journalistic thread, where people can write reports, interviews and columns that might grab some attention.

I was thinking about this, as it's a very different writing style, especially if you're trying to remain impartial (report) or want to take one side (politics, sport, etc)

What would you guys think?

I think its a great idea. Additionally, Tom said he was hoping to see people use this forum as a base for interviewing people in the flash community. This could easily be wrapped up into that.

I also have a vaguely similar idea. If anyone frequents Flash or Programming they probably know about the [Main] threads. I was thinking we could use one ourselves, but I haven't gotten together exactly how it be formatted.

The idea would be that people could make newsposts where they talk about a specific writing style, format, writing technique, revision style, and then link that newspost in the main thread. This could also be used for writing exercises, possibly or helpful writers resources around the web that we find.


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At 1/27/10 10:34 AM, Coop83 wrote: So I've been bandying around a little idea in my head for a while now (Plenty of space there, ho ho!) and what would you guys think of a Journalistic thread, where people can write reports, interviews and columns that might grab some attention.

I was thinking about this, as it's a very different writing style, especially if you're trying to remain impartial (report) or want to take one side (politics, sport, etc)

What would you guys think?

I'd be in favor of this. It would be a good way for any potential journalists to get some much needed critique, and we all get to keep up to date with the news.
To me, Journalism isn't much of a creative style. I see it as more of a craft, or a practise, and so it would bring more diversity to the forum, and offer people the chance to explore their horizons.
The idea of writting interviews especially appeals to me. I wouldn't be so interested in conducting one myself, but interviews about certain forum members, or authors, and of course, staff and artists would certainly entertain me.

Anyway, in answer to your question: I think this is a good idea.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 11:04:15 Reply

Some good ideas coming through here. Personally, I think it'd be cool to get up a little, frequent flash fiction challenge thing, just something to do to keep your fingers fresh. Maybe a weekly competition like what the art guys do with the creature of the week, maybe a weekly write-off, 200-500 words, or something like that, maybe have a week of competition followed by a week of "judging" whereby the general writing community can vote on favourites. No prizes, of course, a just for kicks sort of thing.

Thoughts? Suggestions?


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At 1/27/10 11:04 AM, WritersBlock wrote: Some good ideas coming through here. Personally, I think it'd be cool to get up a little, frequent flash fiction challenge thing, just something to do to keep your fingers fresh. Maybe a weekly competition like what the art guys do with the creature of the week, maybe a weekly write-off, 200-500 words, or something like that, maybe have a week of competition followed by a week of "judging" whereby the general writing community can vote on favourites. No prizes, of course, a just for kicks sort of thing.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Sounds good to me, you may need to include themes for each week though. Some people are going to have very diverse writting styles, which could make it difficult to judge, especially if everyone is writting about completely different aspects. Also it would force people to write about things other than what they are used to, so it would expand their skills, as well as be enjoyable.

Just a thought.

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At 1/27/10 01:29 AM, The-Great-One wrote: One of my short stories entitled "Nightmare" was actually animated into flash here on Newgrounds...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/50 4669

I'll add to this that seeing this Flash some time ago made me more optimistic about the future of writing/Flash collabs here on NG.

At 1/27/10 05:53 AM, Zendra wrote: Would it be a good idea to have a "Request a Script"-topic?

I think it might be eventually, especially if we find ourselves with groups of scriptwriters who are up for a bit of action. It sounds a bit McDonald'sesque, but it might very well benefit both the writers and the Flash artists.

This might be something that could be trial'd at some point maybe?

At 1/27/10 06:38 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Anyways, I've been playing with a more satirical form of language for a first person narrative I've been working on. The person gets very detached from his setting and starts focusing on a lot of the details that would normally be normal, but by playing them up I'm bringing their existence into question and characterizing everything.

That sounds very American Psycho, and that's not a bad thing. In fact, it's one of the funnier things about the book. Good luck with developing that further. As someone who's had an eye on satire for some time as a past time, as reactions to reactions predominantly, I'd be interested in reading that should you get it published.

While I'm not one to extensive link directly to Wikipedia many times at once, I tend to look back on the basic definitions they have there for Horatian vs. Juvenalian satire. I could talk for some time about satire - possibly not right now because I've just got in, but I think it's something that could be discussed on its own in the future.

At 1/27/10 10:34 AM, Coop83 wrote: So I've been bandying around a little idea in my head for a while now (Plenty of space there, ho ho!) and what would you guys think of a Journalistic thread, where people can write reports, interviews and columns that might grab some attention.

I was thinking about this, as it's a very different writing style, especially if you're trying to remain impartial (report) or want to take one side (politics, sport, etc)

What would you guys think?

I too think it's a decent idea, especially if Tom wants to have some interviewer base like gum said. I think creative non-fiction is something I'd like to build skills on - though this isn't journalism per se, it's in a similar ballpark, so they can feed into each other in a way. At the end of the day, there's still something being created in both sub-fields. Finding a line between journalism and blog-standard (I'm not really insulting bloggers, I just thought it was a humourous piece of word play) might be tricky. An antidote to that would be a familiar one: have people read what's there and let them decide.

I think that for the sake of NG, what defines a blog post would remain 'today at school...' and related stuff. Anything else, if it's creative, could be worthwhile getting some development on I think, yes.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 12:40:13 Reply

At 1/27/10 10:53 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: I think its a great idea.

Ask, and ye shall receive

Additionally, Tom said he was hoping to see people use this forum as a base for interviewing people in the flash community. This could easily be wrapped up into that.

Yeah, that's a good idea, alluded to in the OP

At 1/27/10 12:26 PM, Scarab wrote: Avatar wasn't too bad. The 3d was fantastic, and even though I'm not huge guy for 3d and other 'trendy' special effects so much, at least it fed into the message and the sci-fi elements well. I agree with what a lot of people have said about the writing and characterisation. I don't want to do an all-out review here, but let's just say...

Movie reviews! I knew that there was something I missed out on in the OP. *mutters*


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 12:43:37 Reply

I don't LOVE poetry, its just that i don't like rhyming.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 13:34:04 Reply

At 1/27/10 12:43 PM, HeroDan wrote: I don't LOVE poetry, its just that i don't like rhyming.

Poetry doesnt have to rhyme my friend, mine certainly doesnt.

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At 1/27/10 01:34 PM, megakill wrote: Poetry doesnt have to rhyme my friend, mine certainly doesnt.

Indeed. While I'm not as familiar with a large amount of poetry as I am with types of story writing, I can name three poets off the top of my head who tend(ed) not to rhyme too often. That's not to say that their poems never rhymed, but all three of these I bring up now tend to be seen as writers who liked to piss around with structure in general.

Former British poet laureate Andrew Motion. In particular from that link, 'You Helped Give A Shape' and 'Diving'. There are still rhymes or near-rhymes, but there's still some experimentation there. Some traditionalists disliked him for these sorts of reason - I remember reading a humourous article on it ages ago in some writing mag.

Allen Ginsberg: I'll link 'Howl' because it's famous and familiar to even the smallest fans of the beatnik writers... and also because I don't have my Ginsberg collection here.

Former US poet laureate Billy Collins: I studied Collins in school. His style is certainly not for everyone, but he's great with his own personal themes. I don't think he rhymes very often at all. See 'Another Reason Why I Don't Keep A Gun In The House'.

Like I've been saying, I'm planning on sharing more literature/films that I've used as starter points in the past - it might be something like this. Whatever happens, I really don't think it will be like a book club thread, but I guess this sort of thing is fine here in the lounge, right?

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 14:06:00 Reply

what is that gust of wind called when something moves past you really fast???


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Well hey there all. I'm Blue, and writing influenced my life because i enjoy it. Nothing more, nothing less. I enjoy writing and that's why I came over here to the writing forum, to show my writing and to enjoy others, so there.


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Hi, I'm PuddinN64. I've been writing for a few years now and I really hope to become a major regular on this board. I hope to become a humorist as my job when I'm out of school.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 15:04:27 Reply

Seems I should pay attention to the NG news a bit more. Just saw this and I'm still not sure if I'm dreaming or not. I'll assume the latter for now and celebrate the creation of a forum for writers with due haste.

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I haven't completed anything significant in a while. I've been trying to write a decent short story for a good part of this month and I've just been fizzling out a few hundred words in. Today (technically yesterday) was quite a shit day for me and I don't really know why, but it was the first time this month I've had something to motivate me. I started writing a short story this afternoon, and, same as with the previous stories, I've stumbled through the first few hundred words, but in the early hours of the morning (about 2-3ish) the writing started to flow better, and I've decided I'm not going to sleep until the story's done. Currently standing at almost 1,700 words I think it's not too far off the end. Only query is what I do with it here.

Should I create a thread specifically for that story, should I create a general "writersblock's fiction" thread and post it and any further stories there, or should I blog it and link to it in this here lounge? Or any other options? It seems at the moment everyone's doing everything willy nilly, I'm interested to see how some of you guys think the threads here should be constructed (or woven, per se).


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... I realized afterwards I probably should've introduced myself or something. Bah!

I'm Drew, some punk who did a few interviews for the NG Mag years ago (Which were incredibly terrible, like most things I did years ago). I've never been one to make use of the NG boards, mostly because for so long I forum hopped from one place to another and also a little bit because when I outgrew the forum hopping I decided to try and avoid forums. Let's see if I can get back into it then.

I'm a fantasy fiction writer, with one story formed as a web comic, one in the works as a novel, and two others still in early development stages.

My story writing is influenced heavily by R.A. Salvatore, Jacqueline Carey, J.R.R. Tolkien, J. K. Rowling, and Philip Pullman. These writers consist of a large majority of my books.

I'm not one to write short stories, prefer more grand tales. However, you may see some of the short stories I have brewing for another concept I'm working on, and you'll definitely get snippets of the novel I'm slowly progressing on.

With that, it's a pleasure to meet'cha all!

WritersBlock, I'm trying to think of what would work best for ya. Give me a bit...

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 15:20:45 Reply

At 1/27/10 03:14 PM, WritersBlock wrote: I haven't completed anything significant in a while. I've been trying to write a decent short story for a good part of this month and I've just been fizzling out a few hundred words in. Today (technically yesterday) was quite a shit day for me and I don't really know why, but it was the first time this month I've had something to motivate me. I started writing a short story this afternoon, and, same as with the previous stories, I've stumbled through the first few hundred words, but in the early hours of the morning (about 2-3ish) the writing started to flow better, and I've decided I'm not going to sleep until the story's done. Currently standing at almost 1,700 words I think it's not too far off the end. Only query is what I do with it here.

You sound a bit like me. I'm in the middle of writing two different stories and each of them are stagnant at the moment. Hopefully I'll get right back into them today and make some progress here and there. The thing is I'm a notoriously short writer and sometimes chapters are rather short or undescriptive enough.

Should I create a thread specifically for that story, should I create a general "writersblock's fiction" thread and post it and any further stories there, or should I blog it and link to it in this here lounge? Or any other options? It seems at the moment everyone's doing everything willy nilly, I'm interested to see how some of you guys think the threads here should be constructed (or woven, per se).

Yes please. I'd like to know if we should get our own threads, or if each story gets its own thread or whatever.

With the addition of this forum, I've gotten a new wind for writing and I told myself to get off my hiney and get back to work. And with lack of IRL work at the moment, "No Time Like The Present" as I usually say.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 15:28:57 Reply

Alright, how about this then?

If you write a lot of short stories and/or poems, make a singular thread for them. If you write novel-length stories, stick to a thread per story.

In addition, we can reduce some clutter by also making a sort of central "hub" topic for folks who don't write a lot but have some poems or short stories, or for those folks who do write novels but want to be able to put their shorts up somewhere.

I hope that made sense...

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 15:41:11 Reply

At 1/27/10 03:28 PM, Skye-McCloud wrote: Alright, how about this then?

If you write a lot of short stories and/or poems, make a singular thread for them. If you write novel-length stories, stick to a thread per story.

In addition, we can reduce some clutter by also making a sort of central "hub" topic for folks who don't write a lot but have some poems or short stories, or for those folks who do write novels but want to be able to put their shorts up somewhere.

I hope that made sense...

Myeah, I wouldn't mind having a thread for all my stuff, even my more ambitious works. Although I feel that something more practical, such as scripts may very well deserve their own thread per script, or perhaps a script specific "hub", as you use the term. I guess we're just playing things by ear at the moment, and trying not to spam this shit up too much. I hope the forum doesn't become riddled with thread after thread of half-baked ideas seeking flash endorsement.


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At 1/27/10 10:34 AM, Coop83 wrote: What would you guys think?

I dig the idea, since that's where my writing has tended to go in the past few years (I have a few creative writing pieces lying around, but it seems like I just don't have the time or discipline to really get it turned into anything truly worthwhile). But I think having it confined to just a single thread is a bad idea that will cause too much clutter. It should maybe be something where if someone wants to do it they should get their own thread and start posting pieces to it. A catch all thread will just be a mess I think and people will wind up only posting their own stuff for the most part and not read others.


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At 1/27/10 03:14 PM, WritersBlock wrote: I haven't completed anything significant in a while. I've been trying to write a decent short story for a good part of this month and I've just been fizzling out a few hundred words in. Today (technically yesterday) was quite a shit day for me and I don't really know why, but it was the first time this month I've had something to motivate me.

Motivation comes in just the worst places for a lot of us I think. It's not that we're a group of sad sad people, but that, in my opinion, most of us are young and still experiencing different feelings for the first times. As far as the creative mind is concerned, we seem to love adjusting the world when we feel something's wrong, even if we don't really know what that might be. I don't know, I've been reading a lot of this sort of thing in my spare time.

I'm glad you've got a work in progress though. That's better than me right now. I-I-

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Should I create a thread specifically for that story, should I create a general "writersblock's fiction" thread and post it and any further stories there, or should I blog it and link to it in this here lounge? Or any other options? It seems at the moment everyone's doing everything willy nilly, I'm interested to see how some of you guys think the threads here should be constructed (or woven, per se).

You know, I'm going to be honest. When I noticed the new forums, I was delighted, but you know what? The next thought I had was, God, please please say they came up with some rules and guidelines beforehand. I admit it, really! It has had its positive effects though - it's a community for the users, by the users after all.

I've posted my thoughts in gum's thread - I personally think users should have one thread for all of their material, or possibly one thread for stories and another for poetry, etc. It can all still be workshopped regardless of whether its linked to an upload or posted directly in the thread, I think. The forum could potentially be very messy otherwise, but I don't know. I'm sure we could link stuff here in the lounge either way though.

I'm interested in seeing everyone else's thoughts too.

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I'm blazer133 and Just took up writing mid last year when i had to write a small shot stroy for a teacher, he told me that my story was fucking awesome, the detail and description I put into it made it so clear, he said it was like he was right there watching it all happen right before his eyes.

I'm currently trying to finish a series of books for this story i've had sealed away in my since grade 3.


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Hey guys started a short story today and I'm probaly going to post it in a thread soon. Just thought I would let you know.


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Howdy, my names Jonny :D. As you can tell by name my favorite writer is George Orwell ^.^. I mostly write satire and depressing stuff :P.

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At 1/27/10 02:58 PM, puddinN64 wrote: Hi, I'm PuddinN64. I've been writing for a few years now and I really hope to become a major regular on this board. I hope to become a humorist as my job when I'm out of school.

And I absolutely love your stories. Some of the best humor around on the site as well. I'll be waiting for something great from you.

A cool thing about this forum is that I can read stuff while I'm bored on my cell phone when I wouldn't have access to a computer. The other forums didn't quite have the topics that I could sit there and read when I didn't have anything to do.

I also got my first 20 word story done for the competition. I feel that it's actually rather strong and could really help develop the second story by far more than the second story would be without it. I shared this with my writing class here at college and now when the judging is done I'm suppose to share my story/results with the class. :3


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 18:27:39 Reply

my real name is Nick, i mostly write fantasy and fiction stuff. i posted the first chapter of a story of mine. i wish someone could comment on it. i've always been a writer. even when i was a little kid, i drew comic books. so i think my style has always been inspired just by life


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 18:48:03 Reply

I think we shouldn't really be bothering too much with coming up with strict rules and guidelines. I think if we keep loose general rules, we can easily let the forum expand out to what it will become without having the forum structure collapse entirely.

Gee, I feel like we're writing a constitution for this forum...


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At 1/27/10 06:48 PM, Josh-B wrote: I think we shouldn't really be bothering too much with coming up with strict rules and guidelines. I think if we keep loose general rules, we can easily let the forum expand out to what it will become without having the forum structure collapse entirely.

Gee, I feel like we're writing a constitution for this forum...

It looks it, considering the wall of text that seems to accompany posts in this forum lol

I don't know if the same rules that hold for General can apply here (in sort of specific terms). Though I'm no BBS mod, I'd imagine this will run similar to the art forum. I just don't see the practicality in, for instance, some kid making a new thread everytime he's written a new poem. That could get a bit old rather fast. Especially if said kid is a lousy poet :P

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Agreed! People should have ONE place to post their work. The only exception should be for a longer story such as a novelle.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-27 19:28:44 Reply

At 1/27/10 07:20 PM, tigerkitty wrote: I don't know if the same rules that hold for General can apply here (in sort of specific terms). Though I'm no BBS mod, I'd imagine this will run similar to the art forum. I just don't see the practicality in, for instance, some kid making a new thread everytime he's written a new poem. That could get a bit old rather fast. Especially if said kid is a lousy poet :P

Yeh, one-shots seem like a waste to start a new thread for, especially if a person is never going to add anything else besides one or two poems he wants comments on.

Maybe we should encourage a similar rule to the Art forum's personal art threads which is to have each user to only have one person "short-writing" thread, just for them to dump their poems and possibly short stories. Longer stories should be justified enough to merit a whole thread for it, especially if the person is going to keep adding on to it.


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At 1/27/10 07:20 PM, tigerkitty wrote: I just don't see the practicality in, for instance, some kid making a new thread everytime he's written a new poem. That could get a bit old rather fast. Especially if said kid is a lousy poet :P

It's this and formatting pieces properly so that they can be read with greater ease that I'm (and most others really are) putting more effort into flagging up at the moment - the rest is really, like what's been said, essentially in the rules already. I certainly wouldn't want any rules to be 'strict' with the potential to limit creativity. That's a big no.

The rest are just technicalities: off-site linking and so on. The rest can be dealt if and when it needs to be dealt with.

On a slightly related note, what are you guys' opinions on microstories/flash fiction/whatever? This might just be an opening trend, but yeah, what do you think of them?

None of my attention to setup and hint/link threads are absolutely not related to having no original content suitable at this time :P

I joke, I wouldn't flag it up if I didn't think people couldn't use it.

But yeah ;)