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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 05:41 PM Reply

At 1/31/10 05:07 PM, RWT wrote:

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I think you are forgetting about a certain group of fan fic. "Universes" like Star Trek/Wars, The Matrix, Farscape, ect. ect., are pretty large, and allow authors to write about their own characters inside these universes. These types of fan fic I like. Often the bad tories like this end up being "if I was awesome and was - in the matrix / on the enterprise / wearing a gold bikini for a Hutt - this is what I would do." But the good ones can make you feel as if there are people outside of the main story with lifes and adventures of their own.

Personally tho, I think the best fan fic is parody. Like the Star Trek thing up there, I'll often see these single points in movies where the whole story would be completely unnecessary if the main characters had just a touch more real world common sense. Sure, it would make for a terrible movie, but it can be a pretty amusing short story most of the time for those that know the material.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 05:44 PM Reply

At 1/31/10 12:48 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Oh, no, don't get me wrong. I do think that fanfiction is a legitimate writing genre, it's just not one that I like to write because it feels confining to me. If I'm going to be working with an idea of someone else's, I feel like don't have as much room to deviate from that idea as I would if it were my own.

This I find to be the interesting thing when trying to write fan fiction. In your own work, you get free reign of what happens. For instance, you can write about a guy just walking down the street and a giant boulder falls from the sky and crushes him, and how this is a perfectly normal thing in that society (People being crushed by giant boulders that fall from the sky) Perfectly legit.

Now imagine making fan fiction of that. But instead of a giant boulder, you want to make it rain feathers. You need to be able to be able to come up with a legitimate reasons for why this happens. All of a sudden, the idea of being "confined" has you thinking more as you try to make YOUR ideas work in the limitations of this story.

This is where fan fiction can be a powerful tool for writing.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 06:18 PM Reply

Let me clarify-

As written by the average fan-
The story of a Twi'lek bounty hunter named Oodra: Good
Han, Luke, and Leia go on an adventure: Bad
A story about politics on the klingon homeworld: Good
Worf vs. Chewbacca: Bad
The daring story of a previously unmet wizard, set in FF IV: Good
Cecil has sex with previously mentioned chocobo: Bad

I see no problem with building off of another writer's creation, or even setting your story in one previously unexplored facet of it. Like I said, all authors draw from sources, real or fictional. But when you start writing about pre-existing, (well) developed characters, you get into trouble.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 06:47 PM Reply

Have been developing a story about space moles, yeah, I know, I know its a cliche.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 07:03 PM Reply

Space moles?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 07:08 PM Reply

At 1/31/10 07:03 PM, X1SephX wrote: Space moles?

Unsightly skin growths... in SPACE!

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 07:11 PM Reply

still doesn't register elaborate.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 07:46 PM Reply

I was joking, I have no clue what he's writing about :P

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 08:04 PM Reply

Well ill tell you. Its essentially about an explorer who travels into space, only to be ambushed by blood sucking moles on the moon. And then when they flee to Mars, they are again attacked and seek refuge inside the planet, and then meet the mole brain!

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 08:08 PM Reply

Oh I see.

damn, I get dumber when I'm focused on what i'm writing ha.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 08:18 PM Reply

Lol, the mole brain :) The picture really helps.

I could use a review on something I wrote a little bit ago. It's in this thread, if anyone wants to read it for me.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Jan. 31st, 2010 @ 10:06 PM Reply

At 1/31/10 03:58 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote:
At 1/31/10 11:53 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I think most fan fiction writers won't be well read, and therefore are less aware of plot-holes and cliches, which, of course, will drag a piece of fiction down.
Won't be well read eh? Well then how about you take a look at mine and let's see what you think.

I definitely have done my best to avoid plot-holes and cliches. Aside from the romanticisms I use, but other than that, I think it's a damn fine fanfic.

I did say "most", however, when I got to the part where you use *this* to describe your action dialogue, I stopped reading. Normal stories don't read like MSN convos. Personally, I find it hard to believe that you are well read. If you read more, then you'll surely understand that fiction isn't supposed to be written like that. Have a look at my fan fiction if you will (linked above, see: Flonkerton), and you'll see that I use none of that. Sure, write in the first perspective if you want, I do it all the time, but please, please, PLEASE, do not include yourself as a character in the story. It goes with the comment I made earlier regarding characters not being real. Yes, they must feel real, within the confines of your fictional universe, but they never are actually real. You write about characters. Characters are fictional. When you write about yourself as a character, you are referring to an actual person, and that takes out of the whole experience of the self-contained story. It makes the story less real, because the reader is aware that your fictional universe and the real world must be one and the same, and anything that doesn't match up between your fantasy, or "possible non-actual world" and the actual world discredits your own story. Makes it feel like a gimmick.

Next time, write sentences and paragraphs, give us a story that is unique and interesting. The phrase "show, don't tell" immediately springs to mind. Right now, you're 100% telling the reader what's going on. "I'm blushing" "you are blushing" "oh no you saw me blushing". There's no subtlety, there's just statements and nothing else. Where is the word play? Where are the descriptions, the imagery, the literary devices that bring sentences and paragraphs to life?

I know I'm probably being too harsh here, but seriously, I can't read that and agree with you calling what you wrote a "damn fine fan fic".


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 12:29 AM Reply

Why do people hate my writing.....


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 12:33 AM Reply

I find fanfic harder to write than something I invent myself. At least in regard to my singular experience. It was supposed to be a comedic, trippy adventure; a buddy story. It was based in the Star Wars universe. My biggest problem was trying to create my own content. I think I created such a large wall to climb over, rather than going with my imagination. I have to much respect for Star Wars I was afraid to create my own content, or insecure that it wasn't in line with the overall quality of the series.

Either way, I think fan fic should only be done when it's being made in corroboration with the original creator. Too many times I've seen fan fics that are simply the writer vicariously enacting their fantasies within that particular setting. The story itself is very weak, with little conflict, resolution, or arc. It turns out to be bait for those who really enjoy the series in question.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 12:56 AM Reply

I don't know what's all the fuss about poetry.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:09 AM Reply

At 2/1/10 12:56 AM, Sawdust wrote: I don't know what's all the fuss about poetry.

It's the most approachable form of writing. Everyone thinks they can be a poet, that's why a lot of people insist on writing it.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:24 AM Reply

lol poetry. REAL WRITERS WRITE BOOKS! j/k


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:35 AM Reply

At 2/1/10 01:09 AM, Deathcon7 wrote:
At 2/1/10 12:56 AM, Sawdust wrote: I don't know what's all the fuss about poetry.
It's the most approachable form of writing. Everyone thinks they can be a poet, that's why a lot of people insist on writing it.

Now that you've said it, it makes so much sense. When I first started writing, I wrote poems because poems were short and non-intimidating. The weird thing is that now I find them really intimidating. The poems I used to write were just so emotional and attempting to be dark, I read them now and almost want to vomit. They were really terrible lol.

But now that I'm more well read, and more comfortable with writing, I'm finding short stories to be easier to write. And I think I really started becoming comfortable with what I wrote thanks to the game forums for the mmo Anarchy Online. Being able to write in an enviroment where thousands of others are able to read it has really boosted my self confidence.

Since I'm rambling: The moral of this story is, hooray technology :P

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:48 AM Reply

At 2/1/10 01:09 AM, Deathcon7 wrote: It's the most approachable form of writing. Everyone thinks they can be a poet, that's why a lot of people insist on writing it.

That and the ladies love poetry for some reason, at least mine does, and every other lady I've met.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:55 AM Reply

poetry is so approachable because alot of ppl don't know what poetry is. they think that by rhyming they are majicaly poets but its alot more than that


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:56 AM Reply

Well sir do enlighten us.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 01:59 AM Reply

At 2/1/10 01:09 AM, Deathcon7 wrote: It's the most approachable form of writing. Everyone thinks they can be a poet, that's why a lot of people insist on writing it.

I don't know, I think the contrary is true, because of all the rules associated with it, and how when I try to write poetry it just looks like prose with a monkey pressing enter over and over, I'll demonstrate

Heathen climate, heretics burned
Zealots climaxing to a masked inferno
Inferno
Skies blood red
Agony condensing onto
The earth

Luscious moon
Grassy greens
Only escape of faith
Of faith
Science's rainbow conducting
Disbelief

Denizens scattering their seeds
Apocalypse arrival
Imminently eminent is the end
The end
Of all

Shower of blood, brimstone blanket
On the earth
And my only universe

Hell, that sort of looked like random words and metaphors. See? It's confusing, it has an air of deepness, meaning, but it could very well be random. For you that could be beautiful, for me that could be confused mumblings attempting to describe the end of the world. That's why I don't like poetry, an effortless combination of words could pass off as art and get you international fame and critical acclaim.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 02:02 AM Reply

At 1/31/10 10:06 PM, WritersBlock wrote: I did say "most", however, when I got to the part where you use *this* to describe your action dialogue, I stopped reading. Normal stories don't read like MSN convos. Personally, I find it hard to believe that you are well read. If you read more, then you'll surely understand that fiction isn't supposed to be written like that. Have a look at my fan fiction if you will (linked above, see: Flonkerton), and you'll see that I use none of that. Sure, write in the first perspective if you want, I do it all the time, but please, please, PLEASE, do not include yourself as a character in the story. It goes with the comment I made earlier regarding characters not being real. Yes, they must feel real, within the confines of your fictional universe, but they never are actually real. You write about characters. Characters are fictional. When you write about yourself as a character, you are referring to an actual person, and that takes out of the whole experience of the self-contained story. It makes the story less real, because the reader is aware that your fictional universe and the real world must be one and the same, and anything that doesn't match up between your fantasy, or "possible non-actual world" and the actual world discredits your own story. Makes it feel like a gimmick.

I can think of at least one instance where this doesn't really work out, that being Grant Morrison's "Animal Man" in which Morrison tells the story of a mostly forgotten DC hero named Buddy Baker who has the ability to copy the powers of any member of the animal kingdom. It's a series of mad ideas that encompasses many themes and ideas and ends with Buddy having a meeting/confrontation with Morrison over what the author has done to him over the past year or two of stories (including the death of Buddy's family) and Morrison admitting he felt he did a bad job as "God" of Buddy's world. It's pretty fascinating, and whether you think it "works" or it doesn't, it's far from simply being a "gimmick".

I was just pointing out that people shouldn't be discouraged from experimentation, and that in writing and fiction there really are no hard and fast rules in terms of content, there's only the rules outside agents, or audiences, may thrust upon the author.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 02:14 AM Reply

Alright, I'm pretty baked, I'll take a shot at some poetry:

A pound, a pence, a penny, a dime
might I have, sir, some of your time?
A lady you see, a friend to me,
she frollicks now with my enemy
I hate it so, to let you know
And now I've planned a crime.

Meh... yeah. It didn't really go anywhere.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 03:04 AM Reply

Those who enjoy a good story know who I am.

If you are working on a story where weapons are involved, and you want accurate information about their use or other details, just ask me. I won't teach you how to kill someone, but I can help you in making your story better.

For example, the following scenario is from a rejected book by a well-known publisher:

A character uses a .44 Magnum to shoot himself in the ankle, in order to make the police detectives think he's a victim instead of a suspect. He does this by placing the barrel of the revolver right up against his ankle bone. And by the way, he's on a boat while doing it. If you have a knowledge of ballistics, you can see what's wrong with that picture.

It doesn't have to be just guns. If you're unsure about something, just let me know. I'll be hanging around the Writing forum. Hopefully we don't get a bunch of talentless morons posting spam all over the place, like we did over two years ago before the ban went into effect on the General forum.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 03:18 AM Reply

At 2/1/10 03:04 AM, Monocrom wrote: A character uses a .44 Magnum to shoot himself in the ankle, in order to make the police detectives think he's a victim instead of a suspect. He does this by placing the barrel of the revolver right up against his ankle bone. And by the way, he's on a boat while doing it. If you have a knowledge of ballistics, you can see what's wrong with that picture.

I'm on a boat! I'm on a boat shooting my leg and watchin' us sinkin' in the mother fucking boat!

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At 2/1/10 03:18 AM, FBIpolux wrote:
At 2/1/10 03:04 AM, Monocrom wrote: A character uses a .44 Magnum to shoot himself in the ankle, in order to make the police detectives think he's a victim instead of a suspect. He does this by placing the barrel of the revolver right up against his ankle bone. And by the way, he's on a boat while doing it. If you have a knowledge of ballistics, you can see what's wrong with that picture.
I'm on a boat! I'm on a boat shooting my leg and watchin' us sinkin' in the mother fucking boat!

And you just blew your foot completely off. So now you're sinking, and you can even run for your life. And you can't even hop off the boat due to shock setting in, or you're freaking out about having blown your foot off!

BTW, good seeing you here.

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At 2/1/10 03:35 AM, Monocrom wrote:
At 2/1/10 03:18 AM, FBIpolux wrote:
I'm on a boat! I'm on a boat shooting my leg and watchin' us sinkin' in the mother fucking boat!
And you just blew your foot completely off. So now you're sinking, and you can't even run for your life.

I'm riding on a dolphin, doing flips and shit
the dolphins splashin' getting er'ybody all wet.

What now punk? ;)

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 03:44 AM Reply

I'm riding on a dolphin, doing flips and shit
the dolphins splashin' getting er'ybody all wet.

What now punk? ;)

Jezzus how baked are you man
if your dolphin did a flip youd fall off duh


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge Feb. 1st, 2010 @ 03:47 AM Reply

Lol :) The answer is "very much"!