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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 03:52:44 Reply

Phew...This is gonna be pretty long...

THE TRANSFORMATIONS Pt 5

Sam grunted. He heard a scream and for some reason, he wanted to shred the guy who did. Stomping, Sam made his way to Jack's house. Jack and him were close buddies and he wondered if their relationship would ever be the same again.

Coming to a stop, he spotted a stickman in pants and a cartoonish army sergeant. The sergeant looked at him and attacked. Sam started firing using his cannon while the sergeant countered using a bazooka. The stickman watched silently, like trying to recall something.

Fred was anxious if he would die fighting. Attacking heavily, he saw the robot struggle. That gave him the courage to pound harder. Meanwhile, Sam's cannon had upgraded to twice the fire power. He then felt an urge to be on fours. The cannon slowly reverted back into the single shot.
Then, Fred started slashing.

Jack finally found out that that robot was Sam, looking at his typical 'street fighter' moves. Watching him acting like some crazy dog made him queasy. Suddenly, some green fingers came out of nowhere and started grabbing Sam. The fingers looked like it was quivering with pleasure. Jack realised it was now or never as Sam struggled futilely. Gripping his pencil, he slashed at the fingers.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 07:06:45 Reply

La la la la...

THE TRANSFORMATIONS Pt 6

Jim gripped tighter. The feeling was amazing. The metallic skin and the beeping of deep circuitry and the deeper still feeling of rust was all in a finger's tip. Suddenly, he felt the strike of hard granite and the black mark made his fingers feel all smooth and tender. Licking lips, he went towards the source.

Alan watched Jim silently. The way he touched stuff was very...weird. Seemed like he enjoyed touching everything. Gripping onto his mace, he wondered if he should join the brawl but resisted when the robot started to slash Jim and the soldier harder. He would live to fight another day.

Sam felt his head pump with oil. His hands were now knife sharp claws. Scraping on the Tank dude, he than focused his attention on the vege fingers. It was looking at him with widened eyes and then it grabbed him. Sam felt his body go colder then before as the vege curled around him. He gave it a desperate shred that met it's mark. The vege fingers was now currently unconscious.

Jack looked around sullenly. He did not approve violence. Apart from that pencil slash, he never hurt a person, let alone a fly. Catching the eye of the green knight, he thought of what would be the end of this. He was about to find out soon enough.

From that second, they suddenly disappeared. Right after a huge white beam of light from the sky. Some people a few miles away spotted a huge light exploded from a dot in the sky. The neighbours quietly watching the battle confessed that some being...a human, came down and took them during the burst of light. Dogs howled and cats gave disturbed purrs. Even goldfishes swam around restlessly.

Things were never going to be the same for Jim, Alan, Sam, Jack and Fred.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 08:15:01 Reply

At 1/31/10 03:52 AM, FlashCam wrote: Phew...This is gonna be pretty long...

You know, it might be a better idea for you to start your own writing thread then to post these in here.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 08:21:38 Reply

Ugh, i was really hoping to post something new today, but between work and coursework i dont see myself getting the chance.

I hate it when trivial things stand in the way of creativity.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 10:35:37 Reply

At 1/31/10 02:41 AM, Nateofwar wrote: I understand that when people realy like somthing they want to be a part of it but character development is like one of the biggest parts of a story

That's why I don't like writing it. If other people want to, that's fine, I just won't choose to read it. But for myself, developing the characters is one of the funnest things to do when I'm writing. I love thinking up their personalities, writing their histories and coming up with all their quirky traits. With fanfiction, someone else has already done that for me, and that's no fun.

At 1/31/10 03:07 AM, Pathnine wrote: Yeah, it's really impossible to make fan fiction your own without the permission of the original creators.

Well, fanfiction is consider parody, which is protected by Fair Use as long as you don't sell it.

At 1/31/10 03:16 AM, Nateofwar wrote: (commisioned?commishoned?
look at me trying to look smart and sounding stupid again

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At 1/31/10 08:21 AM, megakill wrote: I hate it when trivial things stand in the way of creativity.

I hate it when I get the best ideas for songs, stories, etc when I'm in the middle of class or somewhere else where I can't start writing.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 11:44:33 Reply

I've been on a bit of a poetry kick lately because I have to teach poetry to 6th graders as a part of my education internship. Being well-versed in literature certainly makes life easier when you're an English teacher.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 11:53:50 Reply

At 1/31/10 10:35 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:
At 1/31/10 02:41 AM, Nateofwar wrote: I understand that when people realy like somthing they want to be a part of it but character development is like one of the biggest parts of a story
That's why I don't like writing it. If other people want to, that's fine, I just won't choose to read it. But for myself, developing the characters is one of the funnest things to do when I'm writing. I love thinking up their personalities, writing their histories and coming up with all their quirky traits. With fanfiction, someone else has already done that for me, and that's no fun.

To me, fan fiction is fair game as a writing style/genre provided that it is treated as a proper piece of fiction. I think a lot of the time, people can't be bothered thinking up original characters/plot, but still want to call themselves writers. "I'm a writer, but I only do fanfiction", that sort of thing. Fan fiction in general seems to be a style of writing that lacks originality. If we posit the situation of fan fiction as written by the fans, it seems that all professionalism in the writing is lost. Fans appear to lack the subtlety to criticise what they adore, and therefore the majority of the time, the characters in their versions of the stories exist in a world that is overly perfect, only to be thrown out of balance in a totally predictable way, resolving in yet more predictable sugar-coated fandom. That's all drawn from my perception of the "fan fiction" level of fandom. I think most fan fiction writers won't be well read, and therefore are less aware of plot-holes and cliches, which, of course, will drag a piece of fiction down.

I think fan fiction becomes most interesting in the hands of someone who is more experienced in the field of writing as a whole. I'm sure a professional author could write rings around xXxFinalFantasyxXx any day of the week if they felt so inclined to write a story in the style dubbed "fan" fiction. If you look at fan fiction on a more generalised definition, it contains characters/setting/events/etc that have derived from elsewhere. Get rid of all the homo-erotica and the txtspk stories, and you've still got something remarkably unoriginal. Take away the predictability in the plot/characters and then you can start talking. Of course, then there's the conundrum of remaining to the universe in which the original author created these characters. However, the author created characters, not people. Characters don't exist outside the text, whereas fan fictions sort of treat the characters as if they do. Not a good thing to do. They must remain characters. When you write them, they're your characters, they do what you write.

Here's where I like to introduce the anaolgy of cover songs to show how fan fictions can work. A cover song is a song that one band takes from an original band, often to pay their respects to the original band/song. Like fan fictions, there are good and bad cover songs. I think what makes for a good cover song and a good fan fiction is essentially the same. A cover song done in the same style is boring (aka "Sonic and his friends were playing in the forest and then something bad happened and then he ran fast and saved the day the end"). If the style doesn't mix with the original, it can sound like complete horse shit (aka furry/gay porn fan fics). The covers that work are the ones that adapt with the original to create something that sounds different, yet not wholly unpleasant. Fan fiction writers need that original/creative flair to their work to make it stand out.

If I may use my own story as an example, you will be able to see here that my story "Flonkerton" bares little resemblance to the original text from where my characters evolved; "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland". Of course, it is questionable whether anything but the names coincide with Carrol's famous text, but I'd be quite glad to argue why I think this is not so, and why my text is fit to be categorised as a fan fiction. Whilst it does not bare resemblance in plot, nor in setting to the aforementioned text, my story feeds off the symbolism of the characters, their context, to enrich my own (and might I add, unique?) versions of his characters. So even though my characters are not carbon copies of Carrol's, I use my reader's intertextual knowledge of Alice in Wonderland to pull together the confusion and nonesensicality (if such a word exists) from that text, to enrich the reading of my own. Granted, mine is not the most conventional fan fiction out there, but I believe that if a text can make those connections, that is enough to classify it as fan fiction, while still offering the author enough liberties to bend and shape the story to their own will, to create something wholly more original and of a greater quality than what is usually seen or expected in the genre.

I hope this little spiel sheds light on a few interested readers, as I know this train of thought has given me a more positive image of the bastard genre of the literary world, and now I feel more open to attempting to write the occasional fan fiction from time to time.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 12:34:13 Reply

While everyone is talking about the cons and cons of Fanfiction. I'd like to give my 2 pence worth.

Just read some of this quickly.

This is a fanfiction for Final Fantasy VII made by a woman who goes by the name Penfeather. Simply the most amazing writer I think I've discovered online, certainly in the fanfic world.

Sure, she didn't create the characters herself but it's actually more impressive HOW she develops the characters, making what she does with them believable to how they were in the game, yet she makes them her own at the same time. So she stayed true to the characters yet was orginal with it.

Seriously, just read a few paragraphs and try not to appreciate that fanfic writer.

Though I will also say; Yes there is A LOT of shit fanfiction out there. So much that should never even be allowed to be posted on any website ever, but there are great ones, and I see nothing wrong with fanfiction when the quality of writing is good enough to do the characters/story justice.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 12:35:42 Reply

fffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 12:48:13 Reply

Oh, no, don't get me wrong. I do think that fanfiction is a legitimate writing genre, it's just not one that I like to write because it feels confining to me. If I'm going to be working with an idea of someone else's, I feel like don't have as much room to deviate from that idea as I would if it were my own. For some people it may be helpful to have an already-created base so that they have a direction when they're working on a story and other people may be doing it for fun, but I guess it's just not my thing.

Now, I say that I tend to avoid reading fanfiction because, although there are good ones out there, the majority of it, at least from what I've seen, is not. I think that's a combination of many fanfiction writers being inexperienced and it being a hard genre to write in successfully.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 13:09:09 Reply

At 1/31/10 12:35 PM, TehSlapHappy wrote: fffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

writer's block asdf

Theres a sub-erm, thread for that

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 13:24:19 Reply

At 1/31/10 12:34 PM, Gagsy wrote: Just read some of this quickly.

6/10

lol, I'm sorry, but its succumbing to the fan fiction thing where it assumes we know everything about the story. The worst part about most pieces of fan fiction is that they don't stand on their own. The point at which fan fiction becomes something else lies somewhere between this and the new Alice & Wonderland movie coming out this summer.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 13:25:09 Reply

At 1/31/10 12:48 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Small speech on fanfictions

I think it'd be ok to write a fanfiction as long as you just make up all of your characters instead of adding in the main characters if you're making your own story based on being in their world.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 14:14:02 Reply

At 1/31/10 01:24 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
At 1/31/10 12:34 PM, Gagsy wrote: Just read some of this quickly.
6/10

lol, I'm sorry, but its succumbing to the fan fiction thing where it assumes we know everything about the story. The worst part about most pieces of fan fiction is that they don't stand on their own. The point at which fan fiction becomes something else lies somewhere between this and the new Alice & Wonderland movie coming out this summer.

Isn't that the point though? Fanfiction is usually read by those who thirst for more story involving the world or characters they grew so fond of. People don't usually stumble into the 6th book of a series and know everything about what's going on, do they? It's a bit condescending to sit there and think it's less well done simply because it relies on the constructs of the original author.

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At 1/31/10 02:14 PM, tigerkitty wrote:
At 1/31/10 01:24 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
6/10

lol, I'm sorry, but its succumbing to the fan fiction thing where it assumes we know everything about the story. The worst part about most pieces of fan fiction is that they don't stand on their own. The point at which fan fiction becomes something else lies somewhere between this and the new Alice & Wonderland movie coming out this summer.
Isn't that the point though? Fanfiction is usually read by those who thirst for more story involving the world or characters they grew so fond of. People don't usually stumble into the 6th book of a series and know everything about what's going on, do they? It's a bit condescending to sit there and think it's less well done simply because it relies on the constructs of the original author.

Yeah my point was to mark it on the writing.

Fanfiction is fanfiction.

Like tiger says, you wouldn't just read a fanfic without having knowledge of what story the fic is about. It's like when they bring out books for certain tv series, like Dr Who or Star Wars, Star trek, whatever. You wouldn't generally pick one up unless you've seen and liked the series you saw on tv. It's basically the same thing, only one isn't professional, just done for fun from the writer.

I was using this one as an example to show that not all fanfiction writers are 13 year old 'bisexual' emo girls.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 15:34:48 Reply

I too, once did fan-fiction, horrible shit when re-read it at an older age lol. It may help some writers it may not. Though story wise, when a universe or monster is created, I think the creator should be in charge of deciding whether or not to continue. The creator is the only one who at least has the capabilities of expanding the plot/story simply because he knows his monsters better than anyone else.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 15:41:12 Reply

Hey guys, I posted the entire chapter of my story. go check it out!


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 15:58:20 Reply

At 1/31/10 11:53 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I think most fan fiction writers won't be well read, and therefore are less aware of plot-holes and cliches, which, of course, will drag a piece of fiction down.

Won't be well read eh? Well then how about you take a look at mine and let's see what you think.

I definitely have done my best to avoid plot-holes and cliches. Aside from the romanticisms I use, but other than that, I think it's a damn fine fanfic.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 16:14:18 Reply

At 1/31/10 08:15 AM, tigerkitty wrote: You know, it might be a better idea for you to start your own writing thread then to post these in here.

I was just thinking the same thing. Lounges are supposed to be a "break" from the main activity of the forum. So people really I think should be making their own threads for stories rather then doing stories in the lounge. This should be more of a "getting to know each other, polite way for folks to ask for reviews or point out work they found to be good" kind of thing I think. But I would hate to come off like "this is the law!" what sayeth the rest of the regs?


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 16:17:42 Reply

i have to agree that stories should be left to there own thread but i dought that you storry wont get good reception in its own thread i like it and im sure the rest of us do.

Also i just want to mention This.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 16:17:43 Reply

Yes, keep your writing out of here. MY EYES HURT FROM READING!

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Eh, just remember aviewaskewed

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 16:30:39 Reply

Hi guys! I'm new to the writing forum. I posted something last night in the Just an idea thread thread. My mom taught me to read during preschool, and I haven't stopped since. I don't write as much now as I used to back in school, but I'm seriously thinking about starting up writing again.

Speaking of fan-fic, here's a short Star Trek anti-fan-fic:

"As you know, the galaxy is being threatened by a super-nova, And planet Romulus is directly in it's path." Ambassador Spock said, looking around the meeting room at other members of the council. Pressing a button on the table before him a holographic projection filled the air with an exploding star and a small planet directly in it's path. "My plan is to take our fastest ship, and create a black hole, absorbing the impact, and saving Romulus from certian destruction."

The assembled council looked around at each other, then finally one of them spoke.

"Seriously Spock? Are you fucking retarded?"

Spock, sudden started looking slightly emotional, maybe startled, maybe constipated. "But I assure you I've-"

"No, no, no, no. Listen hear dumbass, you are just trying to be a douchebag and we all know it. You're dropping a black hole near a planet to 'save it'? That's like stuffing your wife's body down the garbage disposal so she can't lose her ring in the drain anymore. You just want to destroy their planet a split second before the universe does."

"And even if your plan does work, their star is exploding! You'll be saving them from instant fiery death, just so they can die slow cold ones. You sick bastard!"

"Look, I get it, Romulans are bald jerks! We all think that! But we are not letting you race off to the edges of the universe with a bajillion Vulcan Funbucks worth of equipment, just so you can give these guys the finger. You're just going to have to sit here like the rest of us, and point and laugh thru a telescope."

Utterly defeated, Spock excused himself to go to the bathroom, where he was found 3 hours later, dead from a massive coke overdose.

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Lol hopefully that's not to far from the spirit of the writing forums. And just so everyone knows, I did like the new Star Trek movie, I just think it's funny what hollywood thinks black holes do.

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 16:44:01 Reply

At 1/31/10 04:30 PM, Version2 wrote: Star Trek Parody

Epic...

Speaking of movies, who else read the Percy Jackson saga and couldn't wait for the movie to come out and shit bricks when they saw a comercial for it yesterday?

I just hope they dont fuck it up cuz that was a realy good book


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didn't really think it was based off a book. Though the trailer did bring an interest to me. Is the series over?


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5 books out one possibly on the way and I CANT WAIT.

this is my favorite book series btw

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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 17:07:30 Reply

Fan Fic authors too often are people who could be writers, but simply aren't quite 'there enough' to write their own story. It definitely takes work to create an involved plot or sequence of events that make sense. More often than not, Fan Fics are written-
a. With the intention of being conveniently inserted into the main story, (i.e., a conversation that should have or might have happened in the Fan Fic writer's mind.)
b. As really disparate prequels or sequels about a character's story, away from the main plot,
c. As 'what ifs' revolving around pre-existing developed characters, but rearranged in a variety of (sexually exploitative) ways,
or d. By people who have become so obsessed with the subject matter than they begin to dream that they are in the story themselves.

That last group of people should attend therapy; that aside, it can really wreck your writing-career to start doing too much heavy Fan Fiction. Setting a story in a world of someone else's creation is generally fine (there is no idea that has not be previously dreamt), but try to stay away from using already extant characters. Writing a story about Harry Potter is possible, because having read 7 books about the bugger, you have a pretty good understanding of what Rowling would have him do. Coming up with ideas is hard, but really try not to 'take the easy way out' (no offence) and wholsesale use someone else's character. It took them time to weave that story; read that story enough, and you'll be inside the author's head. Everyone borrows from others when they write, but a good writer keeps that to the minimum. One cardinal thing an author must, must do is to avoid triteness (cliché). And at this point, if I read another story about Cecil or chocobos, I'm going to vomit.

Ignore all of this when writing parody. Parody as protected by international law doesn't neccesarily have to be funny, but it should be. So don't write a story about Harry Potter unless it's making fun of the antisocial twit, god damn it.

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Yea, while it is recommended, sharing excerpts from your various literary works in the lounge really isn't a bad idea, though sharing a whole chapter, that might seem like flooding? Anyway, I think sharing excerpts is fine, but sharing chapters belongs in a thread all its own.


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Response to Writing Forum Lounge 2010-01-31 17:17:54 Reply

At 1/31/10 05:07 PM, RWT wrote: Fan Fic authors too often are people who could be writers, but simply aren't quite 'there enough' to write their own story. It definitely takes work to create an involved plot or sequence of events that make sense.

I beg to differ - I've written my own stuff and had good reviews on that before I even wrote a fanfic. Now that I've done a fanfic, I don't think that I've gone backwards on the scale. It's a sense of how immersed within the fanfic they get that you need to take into perspective.

As per your points, my own fanfiction doesn't fall within points a, b, c or even d. The game that the piece was based on is one where you actually tell the story as you play, so it wasn't too great a step to get it all into place with the characters that we had all created in our game group and get a diary going from my character's point of view to show what I felt about the other characters.

That last group of people should attend therapy; that aside, it can really wreck your writing-career to start doing too much heavy Fan Fiction.

Well, when it comes down to it, this piece is as an aside where the game improves by reading this piece and we all enjoy each other's company.


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At 1/31/10 05:07 PM, RWT wrote:

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I think you are forgetting about a certain group of fan fic. "Universes" like Star Trek/Wars, The Matrix, Farscape, ect. ect., are pretty large, and allow authors to write about their own characters inside these universes. These types of fan fic I like. Often the bad tories like this end up being "if I was awesome and was - in the matrix / on the enterprise / wearing a gold bikini for a Hutt - this is what I would do." But the good ones can make you feel as if there are people outside of the main story with lifes and adventures of their own.

Personally tho, I think the best fan fic is parody. Like the Star Trek thing up there, I'll often see these single points in movies where the whole story would be completely unnecessary if the main characters had just a touch more real world common sense. Sure, it would make for a terrible movie, but it can be a pretty amusing short story most of the time for those that know the material.