Getting your art out: a disscussion

[austinzombie]

The problem I think most of you stupid assholes have with your art and this forum in general, is that none of us know how to present our hard work in a good way. There is this one banksy peice that is a plaster covered wall that is chipping with the badly-placed yet ironically brilliant text "the key to art is all in the compositio"

I think we should take some time to show each other how we present our art and draw some illinformed opinions.

I am aware of the art forum's gestapo-like willingness to crack down on any intelligent discussions (as well as those stupid request threads which are the reason for the rule I know) that don't have art attached to them I prepose that we use images to show how we made showing our art an art.

If you don't know what that last sentance means you are still sane - so its cool

My grade 12 art isu was three paintings done in oil on medium texture canvas. The theme was a reflection of experiences in that you only draw what you see from my work, not my own message

the diagonal placing of my art was to emphasise the change that we go through - going up the stairs we become happier, going down we become detached and unfamiliar. The lighting is small and the area allows for quick glances (due to the corridor being small and a staircase) but encourages people to stop and sit on those stairs where no one ever does.

[Kinsei]

This will be interesting to see how it plays out.
sadly being a digital artist, I no longer have in my possession any forms of presented art not publicly or privately. but still, if this thread survives, I would love to watch it.

[Kinsei]

I know this is a double, and a pretty bad boo-boo, but I was thinking about what you said earlier about saying something controversial to get peoples attention.
in truth, yes it gets people attention, a good tactic at times, but I feel that it draws attention to the wrong part of what you were trying to get across. People instead of focusing on the advice, tend to focus on the insult, much like I did. I think that is much more harmful to your message and advice than helpful.

hey at least I have contributed with something

[austinzombie]

At 1/17/10 05:21 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: This will be interesting to see how it plays out.
sadly being a digital artist, I no longer have in my possession any forms of presented art not publicly or privately. but still, if this thread survives, I would love to watch it.

thank you. however, you don't just have to watch this thread - although I'm not really a fan of basing art soley in the digital realm, you could use this thread to challenge yourself into finding ways of showing your art. If you have any art promoted on a site give me a link. If you have your own site give me a link to that too.

Art placement is even right here on ng (the side bars.)
do some painting too mah boi

[Ashman]

At 1/17/10 05:15 PM, austinzombie wrote: The problem I think most of you stupid assholes have with your art and this forum in general

youve lost half the forum already, dude youve got serious issues, either you dont realise your doing it or your just a natural douche, your post in the lounge proves it, cant you start a post without offending the forum?, evidently not

[austinzombie]

I guess you babytouchers are right, and I should stop insulting you. I do have a weird sense of humor and calling everbody assholes was supposed to be an joke.

Think about it for a second. Why would anyone openly say you're a dick for no reason. I suppose I will stop, but only because I don't want to start another pointless converation on the merits of taking things with a grain of salt

[Kinsei]

At 1/17/10 05:30 PM, austinzombie wrote: do some painting too mah boi

Actually I used to paint, it was landscapes (More of the Bob Ross Style though) but it was fun. I have been too busy and cluttered to bust out the oils again. Sadly people kind of liked those and I kind of gave them away to family and friends who wanted them o.0...

At 1/17/10 05:31 PM, ashman112 wrote: youve lost half the forum already, dude youve got serious issues, either you dont realise your doing it or your just a natural douche, your post in the lounge proves it, cant you start a post without offending the forum?, evidently not

ashy, don't go down this rabbit hole, we have already seen where it goes. just let it go. less stress makes a happier life... trust me

[austinzombie]

HOLY SHIT THAT'S PERFECT
honestly, get some snaps of you're paintings up in your family and friends's houses
I love bob ross and sadly suck at landscapes! I would love to see some of your oil work

[Ashman]

1/17/10 05:31 PM, ashman112 wrote:

youve lost half the forum already, dude youve got serious issues, either you dont realise your doing it or your just a natural douche, your post in the lounge proves it, cant you start a post without offending the forum?, evidently not

ashy, don't go down this rabbit hole, we have already seen where it goes. just let it go. less stress makes a happier life... trust me

i understand that and to be honest i cant be bothered to argue, but i dont see why we have to take it as a joke, but nevermind, nobody will answer his question so thats good enough

[HyperJive]

The average NG user is a very hostile and excitable being. Starting off a thread with a heavy amount of sardonic remarks usually just detracts from your main point and basically ensures drama.

On topic, I have plans of printing a small themed art book or zine. I'll either try to sell them or simply leave copies lying around in diffrent locations in hope they'll find a pair of appreciative eyes.

[Daverom]

Most of my art is digital but I do have a couple pieces I'm somewhat proud of in pencil, and a couple in inc. Mostly still lives, a sumi e painting and a caricature of Ben Stein that I fucking love)

None of which I have pictures of, I need to get on that.

I honestly hope to eventually do professional caricaturing or some other form of cartooning, be it books, comics, what have you.

At 1/17/10 05:15 PM, austinzombie wrote: The problem I think most of you stupid assholes have with your art and this forum in general, is that none of us know how to present our hard work in a good way.

Bingo
However I don't really have a place to present my stuff, but if I did? Yeah, I'd be fucking clueless.

[bigjonny13]

Well dicknose (I can start of with lulz too :D), I'm gonna take a minute to explain my views.

Presentation is a very important thing and I can understand where you're coming from. Unfortunately, a good number of the users in the art forum do art for fun, just doodling and what not, as oppose to try to make a living out of making art. I, for one, am one of those users who likes to do art (whether it's good or not is besides the fact) just for fun, as a hobby of sorts. So, already, everyone who's in this category will have been cut out from working with presentation.

Next up, we have to compare people who do digital work and those that do non-digital; granted, there are a number who do both as well. Non-digital work can be easily presented because you have the physical piece to display. For digital art you can print it up and display it as well, but the question is does it follow the same rules of presentation that non-digital pieces do? Even if both pieces are the same, they each have a different feeling because of how they're made.

So then, I ask you, how would you go about displaying digital art?

[Kinsei]

In all honesty, I never really meant to be a gallery artist.
I have no real intentions to have a painting hang up in a museum or an exhibit.
Although I love museums and do enjoy attending them and looking at the art they present, I just never saw myself as some one who wanted to go that far.

Being trained for media arts, I really like being a cog in the machine. I understand that most people like to stand out, but in my industry that is harder than you think. so for now I'm quite happy with just simple animating, 3D modeling, concepting.

Sure I have my own plans for a comic, but if I do something like that it'll be a free time hobby type thing. and if I do any publishing of it it will most likely be underground and sold only at local comic book stores or conventions.

[austinzombie]

At 1/17/10 05:50 PM, HyperJive wrote: On topic, I have plans of printing a small themed art book or zine. I'll either try to sell them or simply leave copies lying around in diffrent locations in hope they'll find a pair of appreciative eyes.

This is a really cool method of promoting yourself good luck on this.

At 1/17/10 05:42 PM, ashman112 wrote: i understand that and to be honest i cant be bothered to argue, but i dont see why we have to take it as a joke, but nevermind, nobody will answer his question so thats good enough

you are the scum of the art forum and the reason why I started being passive-aggressive. Dont post saying that you cant be bothered to argue when you seek to continue the argument. If you have any relevance to this topic then go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. You don't however, and wish that no one participate in a perfectly legitimate and new concept. Please stop posting, your insults are worse then mine and dont even have reason to be in this topic let alone the art forum.

but back to hyperjive's idea - what do you think of guerrilla advertsing. promoting yourself in a public place without permission is very anti-brandilism and graffiti like. Do you guys think that street art has the same credibility of fine art or even more considering they have to be masters of placement as well as street artists to succeed?

[austinzombie]

I think the rules still apply to digital art as they do with tradtional. Digital art can be bound in a book or presented in a slideshow. The realm of digital art also encompases film I'd say. And think of all the interesting ways you could present that shit - for example there was that one thing where they projected film onto a building that made the cool effect that the building was actually changing or that there was people in the windows and shit.

As for the gallery artist thing - I've always done art and when I cornered myself into finding a career I started looking into illustration. Now I've realized (after oil painting) that my life will be more fufilling if i am a starving artist as its every thing I want to be. And I doubt that I will ever be a gallery type artist. I would sell my art locally and commission art for murals and such. Also as Luis's work has taught me, there is much to be done in the collaborative side of art too.

[Ashman]

At 1/17/10 05:42 PM, ashman112 wrote: i understand that and to be honest i cant be bothered to argue, but i dont see why we have to take it as a joke, but nevermind, nobody will answer his question so thats good enough

you are the scum of the art forum and the reason why I started being passive-aggressive. Dont post saying that you cant be bothered to argue when you seek to continue the argument. If you have any relevance to this topic then go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. You don't however, and wish that no one participate in a perfectly legitimate and new concept. Please stop posting, your insults are worse then mine and dont even have reason to be in this topic let alone the art forum.

i was replying to kinsei, it had nothing to do with you, if you wanted to end the argument you would have left it at that but you had to flare it up again with some long winded speech, and dont try to pass all the blame on to me :)

on topic i wouldnt know about displaying work seeing as all of mine is digital and couldnt really be classed as real art, so i have no experience in the matter, but i would say it makes a difference how its presented

[Kinsei]

At 1/17/10 06:30 PM, ashman112 wrote: i was replying to kinsei,

I wasn't saying you had to take it as a joke, but to just ignore it.
it's not worth risking a banning or loss of post

I have been in a odd mood all day about losing things since my silver whistle got knocked to normal for some reason

[Ashman]

At 1/17/10 06:37 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 1/17/10 06:30 PM, ashman112 wrote: i was replying to kinsei,

I wasn't saying you had to take it as a joke, but to just ignore it.
it's not worth risking a banning or loss of post

ok i will, continue as you all were, no more arguing

[J-qb]

At 1/17/10 05:15 PM, austinzombie wrote: The problem I think most of you stupid assholes have with your art and this forum in general, is that none of us know how to present our hard work in a good way.

Yeah thanks for that.

At 1/17/10 05:40 PM, austinzombie wrote: Just don't judge me by what you've seen in those boards I AM NOT THEM.

Oh right, but then again you are judging me by what you have seen in the art forum?

At 1/17/10 05:19 PM, austinzombie wrote: I choose to start arguments with unmeaning insults
At 1/17/10 04:25 PM, austinzombie wrote: If you can't take insults then you can't take criticism
The content of a message should be more important then the way it's conveyed

Now, let`s get this thing clear; we are still talking about art right? I`m still in the art forum?

good;
The reason I mentioned this is that as I see it, art is all about how you convey a message.

[austinzombie]

At 1/17/10 06:52 PM, J-qb wrote: Now, let`s get this thing clear; we are still talking about art right? I`m still in the art forum?

good;
The reason I mentioned this is that as I see it, art is all about how you convey a message.

stop trying to be clever. I realized what I was saying this when I started talking about it. As far as I'm concerned it should be still classified as a joke for one, and two if if I wanted to write my opinion in poetry then I would. The words I posted are not my art, I meant exactly what I said when I typed that. So stop trying to bring that up.

[ornery]

I work in a gallery so I have plenty of experience in how work should be shown, and how to present my own work. With all my pieces I have an ideal location and view point that they are to be viewed at. Most of the large ones are especially need a very specific spot to be shown (and not just because they take up shit tons of wall space.)

For example...
... this piece of mine was in a show in the gallery and was hung 14 feet in the air. It was the first one you saw when you walked in, and its height forced you to look up at the figure, as was intended with the high placement of her on the page. My only complaint with the space was the lighting, its a new gallery so we haven't worked out lighting every wall yet, and since mine was sort of an unofficial piece I got the short of of the stick and got the wall that stuff wasn't meant to hang on. (yeah that's me in front with, my gf took the pic....)

[austinzombie]

At 1/17/10 07:05 PM, ornery wrote: For example...
... this piece of mine was in a show in the gallery and was hung 14 feet in the air. It was the first one you saw when you walked in, and its height forced you to look up at the figure, as was intended with the high placement of her on the page. My only complaint with the space was the lighting, its a new gallery so we haven't worked out lighting every wall yet, and since mine was sort of an unofficial piece I got the short of of the stick and got the wall that stuff wasn't meant to hang on. (yeah that's me in front with, my gf took the pic....

Can I ask what mediums you used?
Also, the lighting is a problem, but I think it works better with the light of the person in your peice. If you had a lamp higher up on the image with that one light on the ground it might look wierd

[ornery]

At 1/17/10 07:10 PM, austinzombie wrote: Can I ask what mediums you used?
Also, the lighting is a problem, but I think it works better with the light of the person in your peice. If you had a lamp higher up on the image with that one light on the ground it might look wierd

Pastel and powdered graphite. Like i said I know the lighting was bad, it was unavoidable, I was offered to have a piece in the show because i work there but so as not to take spots away from the people who were actually supposed to be there I got stuck with that place that had no lighting. We know how it was supposed to be lit if we had the time to do it and the lights to spare at the time.

Ive shown pieces in other places and had fine lighting and everything worked great, but i dont necessarily have pictures of all of them because I don't always have my camera around to shoot the installation.

[J-qb]

At 1/17/10 07:04 PM, austinzombie wrote: stop trying to be clever.

Im not trying

I realized what I was saying this when I started talking about it. As far as I'm concerned it should be still classified as a joke for one,

But after that comment followed a whole lot more... If you noticed how that "joke" didnt go down well, maybe you should have thought about changing your approach?

and two if if I wanted to write my opinion in poetry then I would. The words I posted are not my art, I meant exactly what I said when I typed that. So stop trying to bring that up.

Im not trying to insinuate that you dont know what you were saying, I was remarking on how I thought it odd that as an artist you should have some consideration for the value/importance of HOW you convey your message, whereas in that remark you actually deny that.

Dont get me wrong, Im sure you have the best of intentions, I just dont like being called names and such.
I find it hard to believe that you actually thought it would be a good way to introduce yourself to a community by insulting them. Humor is a very precise thing. It is hard enough to distinguish sarcasm in real life, let alone online. I`d like to advice you to be very carefull with those sarcastic remarks online. If you have to clarify yourself afterwards, poeples feelings could already be hurt, and youre not after that.

As far as the though love thing goes, I do believe in that. I do, however, believe that it only works if the one practices "though love" can teach you something exclusive.
As it is, I dont think you can teach anything that noone else on the internet (and perhaps even on this art forum - perhaps because I havent done a background check on you or anything) can teach.

Im hereby asking you to take on a bit more friendly attitude on the art forum. No "otherwise", no "or else", just me asking you. Because I would like it. Because I think it would make this forum a better place.

[RNNR]

You're trying to start an intelligent discussion yet start your post off by calling everyone 'stupid assholes'.

1. What's the use of calling people 'stupid assholes' on the internet?
2. How does that in any way aid the intended intelligent discussion?

[Havegum]

At 1/17/10 05:15 PM, austinzombie wrote: The problem I think most of you stupid assholes [...]

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At 1/17/10 06:11 PM, austinzombie wrote: you are the scum of the art forum [...]

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At 1/17/10 04:14 PM, austinzombie wrote: hey artfags
anyone looking to become not shit at drawing? [...]

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At 1/17/10 06:21 PM, austinzombie wrote: doitfaggot [...]

Yeah, we had one of your type here some weeks ago...
He got banned.

Please stop. It makes you look like a 10-year-old with serious attention issues.
It also makes people think of you as arrogant ...

And we wouldn't want THAT to happen, would we now?

[Daverom]

At 1/18/10 12:40 PM, havegum wrote: It also makes people think of you as arrogant ...

I wouldn't say it makes him sound arrogant, just kind of douchey at first glance, however much profanity someone throws in and however much it makes him sound immature, I think what he's actually saying balances out.

At 1/18/10 12:40 PM, havegum wrote: Yeah, we had one of your type here some weeks ago...
He got banned.

Theres a fine difference between using swears and insults while having something valuable to say, and just being an all around prick.

[TurkeyOnAStick]

Kind've bored of the language derailing.
Anymore will be deleted
and users will be sent a close-up of ornery's pubic beard.

[GrumpyTom]

This looks like the kind of thread for intellectual argument.
I'll see if I've got some of my old pencil works from A level. I'm sure at least one of them has been presented in a quirky way but i can't make any promises.

I didn't think I'd ever get to see a picture of Ornery, I just imagined Darth Maul.