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At 1/12/10 11:44 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: Why are all of these topics extremist blather

Only Zakk's topics are

Nobody ever wants an educated arguement, especially when it comes to state and religion

i do.

regarding communism, the cold war, especially in the beginning.. must have been pretty extreme

brought to you buy the same gov that drops defoliant on coca crops adjacent to food crops and people living by it

At 1/12/10 09:27 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: You're just being an angsty teenager. Charity is not a bad thing, you'd need be either insane or stupid to say that. There is nothing wrong about helping people in need if you want to do so. If mankind was as despicable as you're convinced it is, then no one would even bother donating anything to charity in the first place. The mere fact that some people choose to give what they have to the needy for no reason other than to help disproves your misplaced misanthropy.

There is everything wrong with helping people. Also I am not saddened by this. I am actually at ease. I have finally realized that people are assholes and that is a happy idealogy. The reason why everyone is a bastard is because they can be. There is no such thing as a heart of gold. Also it is such a waste of resources to helping those subhumans.

Communism didn't kill Rasputin you jackass, he was supposed to have been killed by people within the Tsarist government. Communists had nothing to do with it. You can't even get history right, what the fuck do you know?

Oh thank you for that. I was confused. Anyways I'm starting to like communism now though. Yeah I wanna see humanity die off! The only bad thing is that women will have equal rights! What the hell have women done anyways? They haven't really done much. Christianity and Communism make women lazy as all hell too, so yeah.

At 1/12/10 10:49 PM, chairmankem wrote:

At 1/12/10 10:42 PM, Stoicish wrote: Jesus, you are such an obvious troll.

You would think so, but look at his post history. No troll would be that consistently stupid.

Yes, yes they can be.

At 1/12/10 12:28 AM, Warforger wrote: But thats not the aim of Communism.....

In my opinion, the idea of the Bible being written, was to follow basic principles to live a good life. By using examples of stories from that era, and use it in real life situations.

It doesn't override laws, by letting you "sell your sister, buy slaves, etc". That was back then. It is the present, and a lot has evolved from that era.

At 1/13/10 09:10 PM, iLLiCitJmBd wrote:

At 1/12/10 12:28 AM, Warforger wrote: But thats not the aim of Communism.....

In my opinion, the idea of the Bible being written, was to follow basic principles to live a good life. By using examples of stories from that era, and use it in real life situations.

It doesn't override laws, by letting you "sell your sister, buy slaves, etc". That was back then. It is the present, and a lot has evolved from that era.

Sure. The Old Testament sure does have a hard time trying to say that, especially when people who rebel are put to death, and punishment is usually death, and everyone is taught to fear God and his disciples, in other words, the story in the Old Testament portrays God as a equivalent ruler to Hitler and Kim Jong Il

At 1/13/10 09:25 PM, Warforger wrote: Sure. The Old Testament sure does have a hard time trying to say that, especially when people who rebel are put to death, and punishment is usually death, and everyone is taught to fear God and his disciples, in other words, the story in the Old Testament portrays God as a equivalent ruler to Hitler and Kim Jong Il

Do you even understand the concept of old law vs new law? Might want to look at that, it will help you not look like a retard when you post your cute little bible stories.

At 1/13/10 09:46 PM, amaterasu wrote: Do you even understand the concept of old law vs new law? Might want to look at that, it will help you not look like a retard when you post your cute little bible stories.

That was the point I was trying make about the New Law overriding Old Law.

At 1/13/10 09:46 PM, amaterasu wrote:

At 1/13/10 09:25 PM, Warforger wrote: Sure. The Old Testament sure does have a hard time trying to say that, especially when people who rebel are put to death, and punishment is usually death, and everyone is taught to fear God and his disciples, in other words, the story in the Old Testament portrays God as a equivalent ruler to Hitler and Kim Jong Il

Do you even understand the concept of old law vs new law? Might want to look at that, it will help you not look like a retard when you post your cute little bible stories.

And? If the Bible were to say "these morals change as the white guy progresses" then it would say that, but I don't ever remember it ever saying that, all the only way pastors teach the masses is by cherry picking quotes which are sound.

Now, using your logic let's just rewrite the whole piece of shit to begin with.

I believe that this is a great fallacy as while the two may have similarities, they were not inspired by one another. Karl Marx, considered the founder of communism, hated religion and nearly all the communists in all times are atheists. While there may be parallels drawn, it is not accurate to say communism was in anyway religiously motivated.

Christianism is a religion, it gives people a guideline regarding morals and ethics.

Communism is an economic structure, (although it could also be a political structure, it was unachieved and we never saw real political communism.) contrary to the capitalist theory, nothing is the proprety of anyone and everything is owned by everyone. Which means you can take whatever you need as long as it doesn't impede another person. And vice-versa anyone can take whatever they want as long as it doesn't impede you.

You must be referring to the ''culture'' of the CCCP, in which case, stop using the term ''Communism'', and start using the correct term, named ''Stalinism'' which is the political order (which is also named ''Fascism'', by the way) and culture of the CCCP as we know it today.

At 1/15/10 03:34 PM, jonnyrules935 wrote:
''Stalinism'' (which is also named ''Fascism'', by the way)

I agree with everything else you say, except for this. While Stalinism is certaintly not communist (nor does it even appear to be remotely leftist) it is by no means fascist, just EXTREMELY authoritarian.

Let the blind believe in their pety gods and the false hope they teach. The essence of stupidity in churches and politics spreads reluntantly to others who trust in those deluded. Christianity and communism both give off a sence of equality, yet both a very much flawed. Whilst one was found from an ancient book and the other a idea turned reality, both concepts spread like wild free, burning these motions of greatness into the minds of the uneducated. One cannot believe that a divine power could create such a terrible world that we a damned to live in, or the idea of ones successes being taken and spread to those who are lazy and corrupt. Why do we continue to believe that these concepts can still be obtained to make a utopia for all to live in peacefully. There is no such thing.
Even with our ever so great conscience, we still make the wrong decisions.
We have two eyes yet we are still blind. We have two ears yet we are still deaf. We have two hands which we make into fists. And we have one mouth that preaches the wrong.

These concepts and ideas of religion and goverment are to stop choas but they also stop our growth.

If you're going to trash Christianity and Communism, you need something to fill the void.

Ich lehre euch den Übermenschen.