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At 1/10/10 11:36 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

No, no, I don't think it ever was front page of anything, it was part of a comedy routine, on Comedy Central. Ever heard of the daily show? Is that what you mean by Main Stream Media? lol

actually...

it was well documented

the media made sure of it.

perhaps not the examples I mentioned, but every time he made a gaffe the media took note.

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At 1/10/10 10:08 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Only 3 of those stories isn't biased or deserves attention

1. There was a radical marxist and 9/11 truther in the obama administration. Newsworthy.
2. A Publicly funded institution was helping for children become prostitutes. Newsworthy.
3. Obama administration science advisor believes in sterilisation of water supplies and mandatory abortion in order to control population. newsworthy.
4. Leaked emails reveal that top climate change researchers involved in deception and other unethical scientific practices in order to support their theories in light of contradictory evidence. Theories upon which multi-trillion dollar decisions are being based. NEWSWORTHY.
5. Admittedly not particularly newsworthy, but the MSM have obvious reasons not to cover it.
6. Appointee to the chair of national Intelligence council having clear conflicts of interest with Saudi and Chinese government and who essentially condones the Tiananmen square massacre. Newsworthy.
7. Hundreds of thousands of people involved in tea party protests across the nation. NEWSWORTHY.
8. Safe and drug free schools advisor promotes homosexuality in schools without parent's knowledge/consent. Newsworthy.
9. Stimulus spending as much as double in democratic areas. NEWSWORTHY.

and coincidentally all of those are made to make the Obama administration look like crap.

but they're all inherently bad though. You can't say "Oh well having radical marxists in the whitehouse only looks bad when make it look bad."

Further, you're going to tell me now that the only stories main stream media (which includes fox, which actually did run all of those stories), missed are the ones fox picked out that are solely political in nature?

1. Fox is not mainstream media because OBVIOUSLY it's a crazy right wing biased voice of the republican party.
2. These are big stories and received little/poor coverage. During Bush administration, big deals were made out of MUCH smaller things.

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At 1/10/10 08:36 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 1/10/10 10:08 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Only 3 of those stories isn't biased or deserves attention

1. There was a radical marxist and 9/11 truther in the obama administration. Newsworthy.

Half the story. The guy didn't realize what he was signing at the time, which I'm sure was a stupid act in the first place, but when you read up on it, he never actually expressed the opinion in the radical petition that was also about other less extreme things.

2. A Publicly funded institution was helping for children become prostitutes. Newsworthy.

A couple of bad eggs in a public institution that was mostly a private non-for profit organization dedicated to getting people out to vote. There's no large organization that isn't corrupt. Just look at fox news.

3. Obama administration science advisor believes in sterilisation of water supplies and mandatory abortion in order to control population. newsworthy.

No, he doesn't. That's based on a 30 year old paper that was actually about what would happen if population control became a problem and what humanity might do in such a circumstance. It was not an approving message, but a scenario of what the world might be like in the future. Additionally, it was a multiple author text book about such extreme case scenarios.

4. Leaked emails reveal that top climate change researchers involved in deception and other unethical scientific practices in order to support their theories in light of contradictory evidence. Theories upon which multi-trillion dollar decisions are being based. NEWSWORTHY.

See the topic in which Elfer and others hand your ass back to you. Thanks. :D

5. Admittedly not particularly newsworthy, but the MSM have obvious reasons not to cover it.

MSM includes Fox. Fox covered it. It was covered. Also, if it was "not particularly newsworthy" then you can't find fault with them not covering it.

6. Appointee to the chair of national Intelligence council having clear conflicts of interest with Saudi and Chinese government and who essentially condones the Tiananmen square massacre. Newsworthy.

I'm not familiar with the situation. I'd be surprised if words hadn't been twisted. This is one of the three I thought might have been newsworthy, but I'd have to fact check first.

7. Hundreds of thousands of people involved in tea party protests across the nation. NEWSWORTHY.

They get enough coverage for a minority fringe group. Also, as has been pointed out, they are backed by Fox & Exon. *yawn*

The fact that we are even talking about them now means they have enough attention.

Also, I've seen reports on them on other "MSM" stations. So, you couldn't even add this into the list as they are again already covered.

8. Safe and drug free schools advisor promotes homosexuality in schools without parent's knowledge/consent. Newsworthy.

This isn't something he's forcing on anyone. And no you're wrong. Also, he's not turning kids gay. Furthermore, the KKK didn't want black people in school, but we did away with that stupid rule didn't we?

9. Stimulus spending as much as double in democratic areas. NEWSWORTHY.

Yes, you could argue this could be newsworthy. But, we all know its in the Republicans interest to hold off bringing it up until a few months before the next election when they can use it to rally against partisan, cronyism and favoritism all over again, even though they'd have done the same. The other thing that probably isn't taken into account here is whether or not the Republican districts would even accept the money. I'm sure there are plenty that just refused, as many governors were already threatening to do.

but they're all inherently bad though. You can't say "Oh well having radical marxists in the whitehouse only looks bad when make it look bad."

They are all stretched and rewritten for the purpose of making Obama look bad, so no. Because most of them are fabrications of the truth. There are only 2 there, now that I'm counting again, that you could have argued for. One of which will get more coverage soon enough.

1. Fox is not mainstream media because OBVIOUSLY it's a crazy right wing biased voice of the republican party.

It is, but its still mainstream, the same way MSNBC is, but is full of crazy left wingers.

2. These are big stories and received little/poor coverage. During Bush administration, big deals were made out of MUCH smaller things.

*yawn*

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At 1/10/10 07:56 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 1/10/10 11:36 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

No, no, I don't think it ever was front page of anything, it was part of a comedy routine, on Comedy Central. Ever heard of the daily show? Is that what you mean by Main Stream Media? lol

actually...

Wouldn't really call Mail Online MSM.

it was well documented

While The Guardian is a major news outlet, the British like making fun of us Americans all the time anyway. Bush just happened to give them a lot of ammunition.

the media made sure of it.

Alright, I'll give you Reuters. But this particular incident wasn't really publicized. I don't recall CNN, Fox, or MSMBC picking up the story. Legitimate news sources tend to stay away from the funny, haha he said the wrong thing! kind of stories, except maybe to end the show on a light note, and they'll spend all of 30 seconds on it.

Relating to Bush, the legitimate media outlets mostly focused on his political and policy blunders, such as Katrina and the War on Terror, rather than giggling at Bush's gaffes. At least after the first year or 2, when it really wasn't funny anymore, and we had some problems to take care of.

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This just in, Palin works for Foxnews now: Source New York Times via Time.com

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At 1/11/10 03:04 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: This just in, Palin works for Foxnews now: Source New York Times via Time.com

I'm sure the liberal media will be all over her first televised report.

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At 1/10/10 08:36 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: 1. There was a radical marxist and 9/11 truther in the obama administration. Newsworthy.

Former radical. And many high-profile people are or were truthers. I don't really see how this is more than a passing mention.

2. A Publicly funded institution was helping for children become prostitutes. Newsworthy.

Yeah, that's one of three.

3. Obama administration science advisor believes in sterilisation of water supplies and mandatory abortion in order to control population. newsworthy.

Except they're citing text from over 30 years ago when the scientific atmosphere was completely different, and it almost makes it sound like he's advocating genocide when in reality the proposals don't sound like terrible alternatives in a catastrophe scenario.

4. Leaked emails reveal that top climate change researchers involved in deception and other unethical scientific practices in order to support their theories in light of contradictory evidence. Theories upon which multi-trillion dollar decisions are being based. NEWSWORTHY.

Yeah, and it was leaked to the mainstream media. This shouldn't even be on the list because they were at least diligent enough to cover this.

5. Admittedly not particularly newsworthy, but the MSM have obvious reasons not to cover it.

Aside from the fact that nobody cares?

6. Appointee to the chair of national Intelligence council having clear conflicts of interest with Saudi and Chinese government and who essentially condones the Tiananmen square massacre. Newsworthy.

This is not newsworthy unless you think launching more attacks against Obama's administration should be considered news. And as there is no real objective stance on the Tiananmen incident you can't blame him for having an opinion.

7. Hundreds of thousands of people involved in tea party protests across the nation. NEWSWORTHY.

Yeah, and it was covered. The only reason they were ridiculed was because the movements weren't really grassroots and often anti-Democrat or anti-Obama. And had a ridiculous theme.

8. Safe and drug free schools advisor promotes homosexuality in schools without parent's knowledge/consent. Newsworthy.

Saying that homosexuality in schools should be tolerated is not "promoting homosexuality." And after reading through the article the only thing I can conclude is that they are trying to paint this guy as a pervert and a subverter of traditional morality.

9. Stimulus spending as much as double in democratic areas. NEWSWORTHY.

Considering that Democratic districts tend to be urban agglomerations with greater levels of infrastructure and yes, poverty, this shouldn't be surprising at all.

but they're all inherently bad though.

Except the sole reason to report any of these, especially for Fox News, is to make the administration look bad.

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At 1/11/10 03:04 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: This just in, Palin works for Foxnews now: Source New York Times via Time.com

Great. Palin is smart at gaining Conservative support, she knows the only way to have public support is to not run for President/Vice President, because if she does get elected then her support will start dropping after a month or two like Obama, and people will be wondering "WAAAAAA WHY DID WE ELECT HER"

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Warforger, she only wants support because it means more money and book deals. She owned a large estate before she ever ran for VP, and she's done nothing but attempt to grow her wallet since leaving Alaska, mostly by telling people what they want to hear and taking their money for doing it. Its a tried and true practice.

She wouldn't be doing any of this if money wasn't an option and its probably the reason she left Alaska's Governorship when she did.

And trust me, it probably doesn't matter much to her that its conservatives that are listening to her. She was in a beauty pageant and won, she knows how to tell people what they want to hear, when its a small group with no diverse opinions.

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Honestly, I find the Tea Party people to be mostly whiny conservatives and wannabe libertarians who are all of a sudden "fed up" with government as soon as Obama stepped in. Maybe a quarter of the people involved actually know what they're talking about and have valid points and arguments, the rest are probably morons who are involved because they have been convinced that it's what they should do.

I doubt it'll keep up enough momentum to actually become a political party, essentially since their platform isn't distinct enough to survive on it's own. And if they did become a real party, it would take away from the GOP's voting base primarily.

I don't see the Tea Party as a return to conservatism. Real conservatives are dead because they have to juggle the Religious Right's views while keeping in check with actual conservative non-religious/social values. Until they manage to separate from the Religious Right, they're almost captives, in my opinion.

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At 1/11/10 07:18 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 1/11/10 03:04 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: This just in, Palin works for Foxnews now: Source New York Times via Time.com

Great. Palin is smart at gaining Conservative support, she knows the only way to have public support is to not run for President/Vice President, because if she does get elected then her support will start dropping after a month or two like Obama, and people will be wondering "WAAAAAA WHY DID WE ELECT HER"

First off, all approval ratings drop after the first couple of months. Obama is no exception, especially with the severe attacks from the right he has to face.

Second, with 24% of people thinking that she's fit to lead, Democrats would love to have her on a ticket.