Vegetarian logic??

[DingoTheDog]

Had a "friendly" discussion with some vegetarians the other day. They asked me why I eat meat, I said because I enjoy the taste and its part of a healthy and balanced diet. They then told me it was wrong for humans to eat meat, the main reasons although simplified were as follows: Cattle fart a lot releasing methane, in poor countries they are carrying out deforestation to create more room for intensive cattle and hen farms thus reducing the amount of CO2 munching trees.

I then kindly asked if they enjoy eating chocolate bars produced by Mars, Cadbury and Nestle. They said yes and went on to mention how these majors brands are even approved by various Friends of the Rainforest charities as they only use 100% sustainable Cocoa.

I then pointed out that the also use completely unsustainable palm sugar, the production of which results in deforestation yadda yadda yadda. I believe mars have vowed to use 100% sustainable palm sugar by 2050 (saw it on TV show). I then asked them if they would continue to eat the chocolate to which they replied "yes". I pointed out the hypocrisy and then went for a slash.

If a vegetarian doesnt like the gore involved with killing an animal and simply cant stomach it then id respect their decision. If they base it on a veil of thin principles that they encroach upon ignorantly whilst munching on their vegetarian friendly foodstuffs while preaching the evils of eating meat then I think they should partake of a long walk on a short pier.

[Tribal]

If people choose to be vegetarians, I totally accept that and even approve of it. It's just the overreacting hippy protesters that piss me off.

[TheSporkLord]

Well I don't care if they're vegetarian but I hate it when they're complete dumbshits that can't respect someone's choices.

[Luke]

Vegetarians are awesome, and they care about animals, which is good.

[Fluffington]

Here we go again...

Also being a vegan, I don't eat or take any from of animal products, they're just... pussies.

[Hedzshot01]

I've got no problems with vegetarian's so long as they keep it their don't eat meat bullshit to themselves, If we don't eat them, some other animal will.

[telikovitch]

its fine if their vegetarian, but just leave me alone and stop trying to make me like you.

[JohnnyWang]

Meat production (in more ways than just "cow farts") is a major cause of deforestation and uses up lots of water. Yeah, sugar does too, but it can be produced in other ways. Meat v. Sugar, meat is a lot bigger problem.

Besides, I boycott nestle for their breast milk substitute scandal.

[ChampionAnwar]

They're fine, as long as they don't try and enforce their ways on me.

Then comes *punch in the face* hehehe

[STEM]

Even though I'm pro-meat, I definitely see the problems with slaughter houses. The animals don't have much of a life and the environment gets fucked over as well. Which is why my interests peaked when I read this article of scientists successfully growing meat in a lab. Albeit it's still years off, I look forward to a future where I can eat meat grown in a lab exactly the same way it grows on an animal, same taste and all, with less pro-vegetarian groups being obnoxious.
http://gizmodo.com/5415434/scientists-gr ow-pork-meat-in-a-lab-annoying-peta-peop le-to-disappear-soon

[bifgis]

Vegetarians have no logic. Because meat tastes good, and that's all that should matter.

[JohnnyWang]

On the "ok for you but don't tell me to change thing", the thing is; if you're conserned about the future at all, you really should reconsider. There are six and a half billion people in the world today. These people need to be fed. The amount of produce fed to livestock for the west could easily feed the half a billion that are currently malnourished.

But, you say,, cows eat grass, people can't. Well, I say, you obviously don't know anything about farming bast "Old McDonald Had A Farm". Cows, pigs, sheep and poultry are fed large amounts of grain and soy. While they can also eat things not useful for human consumption, the amount of field space needed to feed them is still so massive it could easily be used to feed people.

[HazeStigma]

I don't have anything against vegetarians, its they're life and they can do what they want with it, and the person i admire is a vegetarian too. (Enough about that though)
Sure, i eat meat (I can only swallow certain kinds though because of a small neck... food.. tube, thing) since the way i see it is that the animal is already dead and there's nothing you can do about it, you are given the opportunity to eat it, gaining its protein and such, making its life actually worth something... if you refuse to eat meat and throw it away then the animal has died in vain.
Vegetarians may argue that fish isn't considered as meat because its sea food, even though its an animal and even though it may have an absolutely pointless life, its the same with animals like cattle or chicken.

Thats my view, anyway

[Lorkas]

Humans were supposed to be omnivores.

I don't see why people want to go against the nature, it makes her cry :(

Do you want to make mother nature cry? WELL DO YOU!?

[JohnnyWang]

At 1/5/10 03:49 PM, Lorkas wrote: Humans were supposed to be omnivores.

I don't see why people want to go against the nature, it makes her cry :(

Hunter-gatherer humans would often go long periods without meat. For long afterwards, meat was a luxury. The idea of eating meat daily and little else is a rather new thing, and mostly in the west, large part of the people in the 95% outside the western society still sustain on low-meat diets.

[Fear57]

At 1/5/10 03:35 PM, bifgis wrote: Vegetarians have no logic. Because meat tastes good, and that's all that should matter.

Meat is murder and murder tastes good! INTERNET HIGH-FIVE!!

[DingoTheDog]

At 1/5/10 04:43 PM, Ejit wrote:

At 1/5/10 02:59 PM, DingoTheDog wrote:

The fact is, to rear animals you must feed them primary produce. At each trophic level a lot of energy and nutrients are lost, so the plants animals feed on will use up a lot of their energy for respiration etc and so this energy is not absorbed by the animals. In addition to this several of the plant's tissue will be indigestable for the cattle, and animals will not eat every single plant.
There's a lot more energy in a field of plants than there is in a group of cattle that have fed on those plants.

There may be a lot more energy in a field of plants than there is in a group of cattle but that doesnt necessarily mean we humans can use that energy efficiently. The nutrients in cow shit also aids in further growth of plants in a cycle of sorts. I believe they are now experimenting with the concept of making cow guts more like a kangaroos as kangaroos only produce a minute amount of flatulence.

Therefore, eating the producers ourselves cuts out the middle animal and means food production and land use is a lot more efficient. It also means that animals don't have to suffer (admittedly they won't exist, but I'd rather be dead than live in a small cage) and there's less greenhouse gas emission.

How about we avoid the mass extinction of cattle and simply insert tubes up their arseholes to collect the methane resulting in the ultimate bio fuel!!!11

[OddlyPoetic]

It's our planet. We can do whatever the fuck we want with it.

[TheSilverGuitar]

At 1/5/10 02:59 PM, DingoTheDog wrote: If a vegetarian doesnt like the gore involved with killing an animal and simply cant stomach it

Pretty much the main reason I'm a vegetarian.

But yeah, ignorance is annoying no matter the side of the argument it's on.

[OneWhoListens]

Just goes to show that people don't actually have reasons for what they do even when they think they have one. I have no problem if you just happen to not want to eat meat for whatever personal reasons, but evangelist veggies are just like any other radical group that tries to convince others of their ideals.

[Lorkas]

At 1/5/10 05:02 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: Hunter-gatherer humans would often go long periods without meat. For long afterwards, meat was a luxury. The idea of eating meat daily and little else is a rather new thing, and mostly in the west, large part of the people in the 95% outside the western society still sustain on low-meat diets.

Exactly.

That's why meat tastes so good and is so "addictive".

[CapnCrunchDaPimp]

At 1/5/10 03:01 PM, Tribalfusion-X wrote: If people choose to be vegetarians, I totally accept that and even approve of it. It's just the overreacting hippy protesters that piss me off.

I dislike that stereotype. I know of a vegetarian, and he's not a hippy, he's the bassist in my band. I've never asked him why he's a vegetarian and his reasons, though. My cousin is an on and off vegetarian as well. I don't mind vegetarians. I've always wanted to eat a big steak in front of him, though, and see if it tempts him, to be mean.

[Peaceblossom]

I've known plenty of vegetarians that couldn't give two shits about animals or the environment. They just didn't like most kinds of meat, so they refused to eat any.

[blazer133]

If everyone became vegan, they amounto of forests that'll have to be cleared away to plant new cops for food would rise.

i think it's best if we just dont eat at all >:(

[JohnnyWang]

At 1/5/10 05:58 PM, blazer133 wrote: If everyone became vegan, they amounto of forests that'll have to be cleared away to plant new cops for food would rise.

So where are they getting all the crops to feed the livestock?

[Timmy]

At 1/5/10 03:01 PM, Tribalfusion-X wrote: If people choose to be vegetarians, I totally accept that and even approve of it. It's just the overreacting hippy protesters that piss me off.

Yeah, you can hold a certain moral code or principle without rubbing your supposed superiority in others' faces.

However, recently I was shocked to find that the meat industry is the largest culprit in greenhouse gas emissions, much more so than any Palm Sugar industry could produce - so this vegetarian does have a point. That being said, her "holier than thou" attitude is extremely annoying so she is still at fault in that regard.

I don't care whether you choose to be a vegetarian because you believe your body operates better on a non-meat diet, or because you are against the slaughter of animals, or even because of greenhouse gas emissions - just don't rub your choice in my face as a more "noble" way of living.

[andhination]

Vegetables taste like shit.
-My argument.

[Sensationalism]

At 1/5/10 02:59 PM, DingoTheDog wrote: I then kindly asked if they enjoy eating chocolate bars produced by Mars, Cadbury and Nestle. They said yes and went on to mention how these majors brands are even approved by various Friends of the Rainforest charities as they only use 100% sustainable Cocoa.

I then pointed out that the also use completely unsustainable palm sugar, the production of which results in deforestation yadda yadda yadda. I believe mars have vowed to use 100% sustainable palm sugar by 2050 (saw it on TV show). I then asked them if they would continue to eat the chocolate to which they replied "yes". I pointed out the hypocrisy and then went for a slash.

Vegetarians don't eat those chocolates, they have milk and other non-veg ingredients in them. And it's not about who is better. It's about ahimsa and everyone doing what's best for them. Mind your own.

Also, see yourself in others because then who can you harm?

[Sensationalism]

At 1/5/10 03:43 PM, HazeStigma wrote: since the way i see it is that the animal is already dead and there's nothing you can do about it, you are given the opportunity to eat it,

No, they are killed because we eat them. They die to keep your fat ass alive. And it's not even necessary. Cop out, geez. At least acknowledge what goes on!

gaining its protein and such, making its life actually worth something... if you refuse to eat meat : and throw it away then the animal has died in vain.

Supply and demand, duh. You eat less, they kill less.

Vegetarians may argue that fish isn't considered as meat because its sea food, even though its an animal and even though it may have an absolutely pointless life, its the same with animals like cattle or chicken.

Thats my view, anyway

Fish aren't plants, they are animals, meat.

At 1/5/10 05:14 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote: It's our planet. We can do whatever the fuck we want with it.

It's not ours. We are it.

[Lorkas]

Sensationalism you make great points however it doesn't change the fact that Tyrannosaurs ate meat, and they were and still are the most awesome animals ever.