Tired of pro tools, suggest a new d

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-aw program for me? (Deciding to Use windows vista 64 bit)
Or link me to a thread where i could find a few.

What I'm looking for is something that can record audio as well as record midi drums and use vst's and whatnot. Something simple to use and just has a pretty basic layout. Tempo and meter changes of course.

There's gotta be better shit out there then pro tools.(even if only by opinions.)
Anything you guys can personally recommend?

[SessileNomad]

i would recommend FL Studio, you can try the demo to see if you like it

http://flstudio.image-line.com/documents /whatsnew.html

tons of tutorials, simple, very capable

although, in this thread you can find some great sones that you might want to give a try

[amaterasu]

At 1/2/10 05:01 PM, SessileNomad wrote: i would recommend FL Studio, you can try the demo to see if you like it

Nahhhh, going from pro tools to FL is like a downgrade.

Here is a thread where we list a lot of the DAWs available today: Audio Software Thread

[SessileNomad]

At 1/2/10 05:09 PM, amaterasu wrote:

At 1/2/10 05:01 PM, SessileNomad wrote: i would recommend FL Studio, you can try the demo to see if you like it

Nahhhh, going from pro tools to FL is like a downgrade.

Here is a thread where we list a lot of the DAWs available today: Audio Software Thread

i already linked to that thread xD

from what i understand, going from pro tools to anything will be a downgrade, there's a reason its the industry standard for audio production and whatnot, but he wanted a new daw so i suggested my favorite :)

[Rucklo]

i wouldn't switch if i knew PT... basically, programs as PT, Logic, Cubase are top notch warez, and truth to be told they're rather similiar... I'd try to work on getting a better workflow in PT if I knew the program better. I haven't worked with PT in a few years, and tried Logic out for an intense period a little over a year ago, and what struck me the most is the similarity between these warez and Cubase.
I still use Cubase, since that's the program I know the best, and have the best workflow with.

There is no point getting FL. There might be a point in trying out Propellerheads Record, since it's a closed program which mean the units included aren't as CPU-hungry as most VST plugs are, but then again they sound thereafter.

[SessileNomad]

There is no point getting FL. There might be a point in trying out Propellerheads Record, since it's a closed program which mean the units included aren't as CPU-hungry as most VST plugs are, but then again they sound thereafter.

why would you say there's no point in getting FL?

[Rucklo]

At 1/2/10 05:29 PM, SessileNomad wrote:

There is no point getting FL. There might be a point in trying out Propellerheads Record, since it's a closed program which mean the units included aren't as CPU-hungry as most VST plugs are, but then again they sound thereafter.

why would you say there's no point in getting FL?

because everything FL can do, PT do too, just better. Apart from the plugs that follows the program, i guess... that's not the case with reason/record since it's a closed program with no VST-support.

[SessileNomad]

because everything FL can do, PT do too, just better. Apart from the plugs that follows the program, i guess... that's not the case with reason/record since it's a closed program with no VST-support.

oh i guess i misunderstood the comment, because i agree, im just not gona learn PT until i go to college

i thought it was like a "fuck FL studio that program is for nubs get a real DAW" comment, cuz i see those a lot when discussing FL

well alrighty then

[Khuskan]

Logic or Cubase are pretty much the only other things on the same sort of production level as protools, both of which have an advantage that no specialist hardware is required (except a computer running OSX for Logic, obviously)

[hhhh]

At 1/2/10 05:01 PM, SessileNomad wrote: i would recommend FL Studio, you can try the demo to see if you like it

http://flstudio.image-line.com/documents /whatsnew.html

I probably should have mentioned that i have tried FL studio. i was in a bit of a rush to get this thread out there before i left for the day. Which leads to the reason why i haven't put up a response all day. (sorry)

Fl studio is pretty good but it really wasn't my thing. i have to agree that it felt like a bit of a downgrade.

i wouldn't switch if i knew PT... basically, programs as PT, Logic, Cubase are top notch warez, and truth to be told they're rather similiar... I'd try to work on getting a better workflow in PT if I knew the program better. I haven't worked with PT in a few years, and tried Logic out for an intense period a little over a year ago, and what struck me the most is the similarity between these warez and Cubase.

I still use Cubase, since that's the program I know the best, and have the best workflow with.

Cubase was actually something i've been looking to try. I think that will be first on the list. i was hoping it was at least similar to pro tools. If i can create the same workflow in there then i would be satisfied. I know pro tools well enough but i feel like i've gotten to that point where its either not working for you, or it is. In my case PT is just doesn't feel right to me. i need to expand and see what i can compare it to. (if that makes sense)

What do you mean by top notch warez? Never heard the term.

I've always been really curious to try something new as people always compare PT to the audio standard but it's not exactly noted to the production of many famous bands. A few major producers and linkin park etc.

Always got pretty curious what it is people actually use and what else is out there. They made it seem like there were thing above PT.

Logic or Cubase are pretty much the only other things on the same sort of production level as protools, both of which have an advantage that no specialist hardware is required (except a computer running OSX for Logic, obviously)

That's what i was afraid of, I guess i'll be checking out what i can in the threads provided. Logic and cubase being first on the list.

Thanks for the info.

oh i guess i misunderstood the comment, because i agree, im just not gona learn PT until i go to college

I learned most of what i needed in the disc that came with it. Actually pretty easy to get a hold of besides all the advanced mixing techniques and whatnot. The switch from PT to FL and vise versa is confusing at first.

i thought it was like a "fuck FL studio that program is for nubs get a real DAW" comment, cuz i see those a lot when discussing FL

I hate seeing that. That argument always reminds me of something like.
PT vs FL.
WOW vs Runescape.
Mac vs Pc.
People get so busy arguing about the comparisons you can never really get a solid opinion.

Once again thanks for the answers and information.

[jarrydn]

At 1/2/10 11:33 PM, hhhh wrote: WOW vs Runescape.

It's obviously WoW.

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At 1/2/10 11:40 PM, jarrydn wrote:

At 1/2/10 11:33 PM, hhhh wrote: WOW vs Runescape.

It's obviously WoW.

Aw cmon what about all that fun angering grid space and tireless clicking?

[Mystery-Moon-Pie-Aud]

At 1/2/10 11:47 PM, hhhh wrote:

At 1/2/10 11:40 PM, jarrydn wrote:

At 1/2/10 11:33 PM, hhhh wrote: WOW vs Runescape.

It's obviously WoW.

Aw cmon what about all that fun angering grid space and tireless clicking?

Yeah, what about the countless noobs asking to take you to a town?

Also, try out reaper. The layout is straightforward and its not spiced up. You have to bring in your own VST's and synths and all (and hook them up manually), but that's what makes it so close to realism.

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Also, try out reaper. The layout is straightforward and its not spiced up. You have to bring in your own VST's and synths and all (and hook them up manually), but that's what makes it so close to realism.

Sounds like a pain in the ass. But still I'll check it out :P
thanks for the suggestion. Getting to tired to continue doing research so off to bed for now.
Leaving with a question.

Is it possible to take plug-ins that came with pro tools and use them in another daw program such as cubase? (i know for vst's that weren't dished out with the program you can.) I.E. Take plug-ins off the ignition pack crap in pro tools and use them in a different daw. Take FL studios plug-ins and use them in a different daw.

Make sense? i figured there wouldn't be any reason not to allow that but you never know.

[Rucklo]

At 1/2/10 11:33 PM, hhhh wrote: What do you mean by top notch warez? Never heard the term.

"top notch" = "the best out there"

I've always been really curious to try something new as people always compare PT to the audio standard but it's not exactly noted to the production of many famous bands. A few major producers and linkin park etc.

When you get to the really expencive productions, I belive PT is still the software mainly used. Don't know exactly all the reasons for this, but I belive that there are quite a few high-end mixing consoles that are customized to work with PT mainly.

People get so busy arguing about the comparisons you can never really get a solid opinion.

In my comment above I obv. wasn't trying to diss FL as a software, in comparision with PT it should be a nobrainer, unless simpicity is what you're looking for. And I don't agree that arguing about comparing warez is not leading nowhere, I often read people arguing, take both sides top arguments and compare myself, to GET that solid opinion. Noone but oneself can decide what's best for your needs.

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At 1/3/10 05:39 AM, Rucklo wrote: "top notch" = "the best out there"

Haha nah i got that i just didn't understand the "warez" part.

When you get to the really expencive productions, I belive PT is still the software mainly used. Don't know exactly all the reasons for this, but I belive that there are quite a few high-end mixing consoles that are customized to work with PT mainly.

Ahh i see, thanks for clearing that up. i don't know why but i just always hear people putting pro tools down and I'm always saying to myself "What the hell else is out there?!" i figured there had to be some kind of mystery program all these other bands were using if not pro tools.

In my comment above I obv. wasn't trying to diss FL as a software, in comparision with PT it should be a nobrainer, unless simpicity is what you're looking for. And I don't agree that arguing about comparing warez is not leading nowhere, I often read people arguing, take both sides top arguments and compare myself, to GET that solid opinion. Noone but oneself can decide what's best for your needs.

No no no, not at all. I didn't mean to imply the statement was about you. You made a great point and i wasn't trying to say otherwise.(sorry about that.)
You also have a good point there as well. I think i should clarify that i meant more along the lines that people can like something so much more that when someone else claims it's better someones response is

"No shut up! MACS ARE FOR NOOOOBZ!"

I agree that when you throw a few bright people in a room arguing over things and providing real information it's nice to see both sides of it.

So looks like its a fresh day and it's time to get back to researching.
If anyone knows anything about the vst question i asked in my last post. I still can't find any information at all on that.

[InGenius]

I've gone over the aliasing and quality aspects of FL vs. other DAWs and linked to the actual scientific and auditory findings between them all before. You'd be surprised how much better in quality FL is than most of the other "top of the line" DAWs. It's only real competition was the HD Pro Tools. That said, if you are talking about program like "Elastic Time" and other bells and whistles that come with PT, then you bet PT is better.......and more expensive and demanding of resources and CPU. And everything FL can do PT can do better.......for alot more money and taking alot more of your time to do. This is not to say PT does not deserve it's place as the almost de facto industry standard. It should be there because of the absolute quality of it's kernel, the support of it's manufacturers and the top quality customer service one receives after the sale.

But my biggest pet peeve with PT is Digidesigns almost undying, relentless need to force you to use only it's hardwareand only it's software after the initial sale. Sure, it's smart business for them, but for cash strapped producers looking to get themselves somewhere, why would you spend 5 times as much money on a system like PT when Cubase is less than half the cost, FL is half again, Sonar is a third or less, etc.? I run Sonar for recording and multitracking and FL XXL for producing and arranging the backing music here at out studio. The combination is perfect because I keep the great FL workflow for producing and the great Sonar workflow (which is one of those DAWs alot like Cubase) for recording, tracking, mixing and premastering.