China Vs the Western World.

[armaggedon21]

I have been searching a lot lately at the growth of China in the past 40 Years.The results were amazing...Economic growth rapidly easily made China a Superpower.They are wealthy,they are expanding,they have the military,the training,the propaganda aka Morale.They are 1.3 Billion,and they are the asian culture people.Budhism.Live peacufelly.They sit there,and develop.But they show no hostile whatsoever,at all.

Now i make a scenario.Suddenly China becomes hostile.What western world do?Who wins?They can Defeat USA and Russia combined together.If nuclears are not going to be involved then who wins?

Americans and Russians,just swollow your ego.Do some recearch about Military of China and the development of Troopers,and you will see for what superpower we talk about.

I have no hostility against China.I LOVE CHINA.I just make a scenario.What happens...

[OddlyPoetic]

I don't love China one bit. Communist brutes with a horrible track record of human rights violations.

Anywho, it's very possible for the western world to overcome their power; let's just hope it doesn't come down to that.

[The-General-Public]

At 12/31/09 07:23 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:
They can Defeat USA and Russia combined together.

No they can't. You're a moron.

[armaggedon21]

At 12/31/09 09:00 AM, The-General-Public wrote:

At 12/31/09 07:23 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:
They can Defeat USA and Russia combined together.

No they can't. You're a moron.

You are one more naive idiot.What are both countries better?They equal Military technology.China has more numbers.Smartass...

[OddlyPoetic]

At 12/31/09 09:12 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 12/31/09 09:00 AM, The-General-Public wrote:

At 12/31/09 07:23 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:
They can Defeat USA and Russia combined together.

No they can't. You're a moron.

You are one more naive idiot.What are both countries better?They equal Military technology.China has more numbers.Smartass...

Where are you getting all this from? Yes China has greater numbers; but where are you getting the Tech Specs from? And even if they have greater numbers, it doesn't mean their trained well enough.

And jesus fucking christ, can we not fight over a goddamn thought experiment?

[morefngdbs]

Right now China is in a REAL position of power... & its economic power. They could (except it would also hurt them) if they wished destroy the US dollars value in the world.
That's real they hold around 2 trillion dollars in US assets, & the US can't afford to pay off a sum like that right now, so if they dumped the entire aount onto the world markets the US greenback would be somewhere alongside the Zimbabwean dollar in value & the whole world's rich & elite would suffer .

But tey're not doing that...no instead they are going to anywhere they can purchases commodities (things of actual use and value) & using US greenbacks to do it. THey are all through Africa. In Venezeula they are pay to develiope a whole new oil & gas feild. They have just landed a massive contract with Brazil to do exactly the same thing. They've propped up the Mugabe Regime with Billions of dollars in American , for half of the value of Platinum they get from the new mines they will soon open there.

You don't need a fiction agenda for China on the World stage
It is already going on & all you go tto do is look around & you can find it for yourself.
Let's not forget China is leading the charge for the removal of the US dollar as a standard currency & is pushing &winning in getting a new standard for a world currency & that is the reason for the firsat time in world history a non country non elected entity " The International Monetary Fund" was granted this power by the G20 as being called "Special Drawing Rights" of 250 Billion Sdr's for loans to the member countries.

[Warforger]

At 12/31/09 09:12 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 12/31/09 09:00 AM, The-General-Public wrote:

At 12/31/09 07:23 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:
They can Defeat USA and Russia combined together.

No they can't. You're a moron.

You are one more naive idiot.What are both countries better?They equal Military technology.China has more numbers.Smartass...

Bullshit. let's see in terms of nuclear weapons
Russia: 16,000
USA: 10,104
China: 200

China's raped.

[Warforger]

At 12/31/09 02:25 PM, Ericho wrote: I highly doubt they could defeat Russia combined with the United States. While it is true they have higher populations, we already have better access to technology and better weapons. In fact, Japan has a lot of great technology and even though they're nowhere near in population to China, they have fought against them in wars and put up pretty good fights.

Japan has no military ever since WWII, the US is its military, thats why Japan had all that money for technology.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/31/09 02:30 PM, Warforger wrote:

You are one more naive idiot.What are both countries better?They equal Military technology.China has more numbers.Smartass...

Bullshit. let's see in terms of nuclear weapons
Russia: 16,000
USA: 10,104
China: 200

China's raped.

;;;
You do not win a conflict with nuclear technology.
200 Nuclear bombs is more than enough to take everyones mind off global warming /C02 emissions for good. Because NO ONE WILL WIN.
So get off your high horse , with this stupid thinking. There will be no winners if the bombs are used , the entire world will lose !
Plus if China starts launching America & the USSR will launch, so it won't be 200 it'll be way fucking more.
THe real way to win in a conflict today is ECONOMICALLY !

[ZJ]

I guarantee that they will be involved in a third World War and we'll most likely be their enemies. I can see them teaming up or invading India and just trying to take over Asia and Europe.

[Warforger]

At 12/31/09 03:16 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 12/31/09 02:30 PM, Warforger wrote:

You are one more naive idiot.What are both countries better?They equal Military technology.China has more numbers.Smartass...

Bullshit. let's see in terms of nuclear weapons
Russia: 16,000
USA: 10,104
China: 200

China's raped.

;;;
You do not win a conflict with nuclear technology.
200 Nuclear bombs is more than enough to take everyones mind off global warming /C02 emissions for good. Because NO ONE WILL WIN.
So get off your high horse , with this stupid thinking. There will be no winners if the bombs are used , the entire world will lose !
Plus if China starts launching America & the USSR will launch, so it won't be 200 it'll be way fucking more.
THe real way to win in a conflict today is ECONOMICALLY !

The problem is that Russia and the USA have anti-ballistic missiles, and I don't remember China ever having that, not to mention with 20,000+ missiles you can pretty much cover all of China including its nuclear weapons.

Also calling people your arguing with "stupid" is a sign of no good arguement.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/31/09 04:21 PM, Warforger wrote:

The problem is that Russia and the USA have anti-ballistic missiles, and I don't remember China ever having that, not to mention with 20,000+ missiles you can pretty much cover all of China including its nuclear weapons.

;;;
There is a huge problem...in every simulation (unless you've got one that's different) where if all these weapons are used, while it won't completely destroy all life on the planet...the planet as we know it today will be gone.
Most major cities will be radioactive rubble.

Even if China was completely destroyed as per your above comment, & lttle or very little Chinese nuclear weapons detonated on target, the fallout & atmospereic radiation that will get move around the globe will cause problems for many years afterward...& all directly hit areas will be death zones for years.

Also calling people your arguing with "stupid" is a sign of no good arguement.

The whole "I've got more nuclear bombs than you've got" IS A STUPID argument >period<
Just like say Isreal, nuking Gaza, to stop rocket attacks would be STUPID...sure there would be few if any rocket attacks after such an act....but look at how many other people in Isreal, Egypt would be & depending on the prevailing winds at the time of attack, so could Lebanon, Jordan ,Syria & if Chernobyl was anything to go by...it will carry much further than that.

[The-General-Public]

At 12/31/09 02:33 PM, Warforger wrote:

Japan has no military ever since WWII, the US is its military, thats why Japan had all that money for technology.

Ha Ha Ha, Oh wow.

[Gortag]

China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

[armaggedon21]

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

[armaggedon21]

At 12/31/09 02:33 PM, Warforger wrote:

Japan has no military ever since WWII, the US is its military, thats why Japan had all that money for technology.

I hope that you do realise that Japan and China are not the same Country right?

[OddlyPoetic]

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

I'd like to see some proof toward that end. Otherwise i can't help but say you're pulling that out of your ass.

[armaggedon21]

At 1/8/10 11:37 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

I'd like to see some proof toward that end. Otherwise i can't help but say you're pulling that out of your ass.

Here you go Mr.Iknoweverrything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_
the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

[OddlyPoetic]

At 1/9/10 08:29 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:37 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

I'd like to see some proof toward that end. Otherwise i can't help but say you're pulling that out of your ass.

Here you go Mr.Iknoweverrything

That was uncalled for. If i knew everything then i would have shot down that claim as right or wrong, instead i gave you the benefit of the doubt and simply asked that you back the statement up, because i didn't know the answer. How did you fuckers get through school without learning what a fucking bibliography is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_
the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

[OddlyPoetic]

At 1/9/10 08:29 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:37 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

I'd like to see some proof toward that end. Otherwise i can't help but say you're pulling that out of your ass.

Here you go Mr.Iknoweverrything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_
the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

Hate to double post, but did you even read the article? It states that China is the third largest behind the United States and Japan.

[armaggedon21]

At 1/9/10 11:02 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 1/9/10 08:29 AM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:37 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

I'd like to see some proof toward that end. Otherwise i can't help but say you're pulling that out of your ass.

Here you go Mr.Iknoweverrything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_
the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

Hate to double post, but did you even read the article? It states that China is the third largest behind the United States and Japan.

No i just went to wikipedia and copy pasted (at least i am honest)

You have too much rage inside you.Calm down.If you cant even discuss like a man then you can always howl.Nevertheless China owns America :)

[OddlyPoetic]

At 1/9/10 02:00 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

No i just went to wikipedia and copy pasted (at least i am honest)

Honest or not. it was stupid. A smart liar will always beat a honest moron in a debate.

You have too much rage inside you.Calm down.If you cant even discuss like a man then you can always howl.Nevertheless China owns America :)

No, i don't have rage. (You can't construe emotions from internet text)

I'm discussing it like a man. You're the idiot who didn't even read his own source, his own source that proved him wrong. They've got the third largest economy. They don't own America at all.

America, however, totally owns Greece.

[Elfer]

At 1/9/10 11:02 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote: Hate to double post, but did you even read the article? It states that China is the third largest behind the United States and Japan.

But he was talking about which country is the "richest." Also, China is 2nd in PPP terms, which is more like "real" terms.

The difference between the US economy and the Chinese economy is that China actually has money, while the US doesn't. China's foreign reserves outstrip its public debt by a fairly large margin, and they run a budget surplus. The US, on the other hand, is way, way in the hole and they're still spending money way faster than they're making it.

[TokingFire]

I sincerely hope that no statesman or woman brings up the Opium Wars, because it's always random faux pas like that which starts wars.

[RydiaLockheart]

One of my classes this trimester focuses on cyber security, and it appears China is the biggest threat to the US. From the project I'm handing in this Monday, basically, China realizes it can't win a traditional military conflict against Western countries, so instead they're focusing on cyber warfare to try and preemptively disable military and government computer systems. This is just one article, but here's one so you get a general idea.

[RydiaLockheart]

Just found this on the homepage when I opened my browser.

If this happens, China's screwed.

[Elfer]

At 1/10/10 01:24 AM, RydiaLockheart wrote: Just found this on the homepage when I opened my browser.

If this happens, China's screwed.

Everyone knows that China is producing more than they can sell, even China. The difference between China and a bubbling place like the US or Dubai is that China actually has the money to spend on these things.

They're aware that at this exact moment, the things they producing aren't worth what they're paying for them. However, in the process of producing them, they're also dumping US currency, which is currently set up for a big plunge in value. While China is paying more than they're getting in return, at least at the end they'll be left with a lot of goods and infrastructure that can actually be used, instead of nothing.

[Gortag]

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote:

At 1/2/10 09:22 AM, Gortag wrote: China is a poor country hiding behind a facade of economic growth.I guarantee you that within the next 30 years the country will collapse.

Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

Have you ever been to China?
If you do get the chance one day,get out of the capital and the tourism sites and take a look at the endless slums.

[chairmankem]

At 1/10/10 01:21 AM, RydiaLockheart wrote: China realizes it can't win a traditional military conflict against Western countries

Read: against the United States. The other Western countries have no real military effectiveness. Only the United States has the power projection to deliver a serious conventional military blow to China, and they're not going to because of 1) the nuclear option and 2) our dependence on trillions of dollars' worth of Chinese exports. Cyber-warfare is an effective target against America in particular because it gives them an unconventional edge that along with their nuclear arsenal serves as a powerful deterrent against any possible American intervention.

[Elfer]

At 1/10/10 03:08 PM, Gortag wrote:

At 1/8/10 11:16 PM, armaggedon21 wrote: Ehm,China is the richest country in the world right now man...

Have you ever been to China?
If you do get the chance one day,get out of the capital and the tourism sites and take a look at the endless slums.

He didn't say the majority of the people in China were rich, he said they were a rich country, which is true.

Obviously a lot of that is based on the fact that you can give people a place to live and pay them five hundred bucks a year to work at your factory and they'll actually do it, but that doesn't make it not true.