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At 1/21/14 07:28 AM, DarkOasis wrote:

Ok, I'm going to assume that you just read that phrase, stopped and started to nitpick. You think you can do me a favor and read EVERYTHING that I posted before you comment? I'm being very understanding of your replies, and I thank the God that gives me the strength not to be a complete jerk.

So to reiterate, please read my entire posts before you reply.

Not trying to be a jerk or nit pick but your people that followed the word of lord Jesus Christ back in the day used to kill infidels like myself. The Old Testament was an archaic and dark book that preached fear, oppression, death, destruction and despair for anyone that would dare go against the words written in the book/s.

"29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well." Exodus 12:29

God is an Evil child mass murder.

I'm still waiting for 4 more people to respond, since that would make 7 people in this debate, and the number 7 is just such a universal number, and my favorite (seven trumpets to sound the beginning of the end, lucky number 7, 7 days in a week, etc).

Appreciating the fact that there are some determined unfaithfuls. Makes the reveal much more satisfying. Though, I've yet to see a person actually state where they stand, all I have seen just people picking at bits of my posts.

So I'll say it yet again.
State where you stand so we can start.

(P.S. leanlifter1, have you commented on every newgrounds post? Seen you every where on these forums).

Actually, 2 more people, then we can get to lovely number 7.

At 1/21/14 05:04 PM, DarkOasis wrote: Actually, 2 more people, then we can get to lovely number 7.

Alright, I'll weigh in.

DarkOasis I think you've entered a conversation where people have already made up their mind before it has started. To the atheists and agnostics, the concept of God is simply inconvenient to their lifestyles, as accountability is not what they desire, hence the choices they have made.

Most people who come here want to hear their entrenched views be reinforced. That's just the nature of the internet. You could go to the website that agrees with your opinions, or you could go to the website that doesn't agree with them. Most people choose to go the website that fits their worldview, while you and I are the few who are, some could say, masochistic lol

1 more guy!!!!
Then we can get this debate on!!!!!
(Do I seem overly happy on the flurry of insults that will come my way?)

At 1/21/14 01:18 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Not trying to be a jerk or nit pick but your people that followed the word of lord Jesus Christ back in the day used to kill infidels like myself.

Same.. but I can at least see the value in some of their teachings. From what I've learned, most christians don't revere jewish scripture.

Oh, look, another poe.

In This Moment I Am Euphoric Not Because Of Some Phony Scientific Theory But Because I Am Enlightened By The Love Of Our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ *Kisses Rosary*

--supergandhi64

At 1/21/14 06:43 AM, DarkOasis wrote:

Proving that a god exists is quite easy,

Then why hasn't it been done conclusively?

as most informed people can see that multitudes of renown scientists agree that,

Appeal to Authority is a logical fallacy my son. That's at least two from you in two posts now...not good.

no matter how you slice it, there had to be a being thats boundless, all-powerful, immaterial, and not of our plane of existence to create the universe

That hasn't been proven at all, whatsoever, and without anything behind it, I have to conclude you don't have the required IQ to play in this sandbox.

Proving the God I believe in to somebody else has a variety of difficulty, since we have atheists, cults, eastern hemisphere religions that worship political issues, ways of government , a level of thinking that a clearly imperfect man apparently reached, other believers that have a backwards perception of how living in the grace of God and putting your trust in Him should be, the tens of faiths that just deter ever so slightly from the true teachings with man- made traditions, the list goes on.

There's also the fact that you have NO FUCKING PROOF!!! You don't even know what proof is. Plus if you go around telling people that their perception of having faith in the same deity is you is backwards? Then that just makes you a jerk.

But I think that the best way to reach people like this, is to see where they stand, as I gave where I stood and was methodiclly countered by one of these kind of people.

No, the best way to do that is when you say "I have proof for God!" and they say "that's cool, please do share" and you give them the same logical fallacies of any theist and the same self-righteousness they just tire of you quick and heave a sigh, shake their head and walk on. Kind of like I'm doing.

So please, give your view point in this timeless debate before you nitpick.

Riiight, me asking you to play by the rules of real debate, use words properly (and by that I mean the word must be used in conjunction with it's definition) and not be a jerk to people (so many veiled, not quite ad hominems here) is "nitpicking". If you found playing this game is a bit too hard for you, I suggest you bid us g'day and find an easier one to play.

At 1/21/14 08:56 PM, NightmareWitch wrote:

At 1/21/14 01:18 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Not trying to be a jerk or nit pick but your people that followed the word of lord Jesus Christ back in the day used to kill infidels like myself.

Same.. but I can at least see the value in some of their teachings. From what I've learned, most christians don't revere jewish scripture.

The Bible is a remake 2.0 of the Jewish scriptures as is the Qur'an or rather simple put they are all a play on the same information. Yes there are good simple teaching of morality in some of these text and I never tried to refute that fact.

At 1/23/14 07:45 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/21/14 08:56 PM, NightmareWitch wrote: Same.. but I can at least see the value in some of their teachings. From what I've learned, most christians don't revere jewish scripture.

The Bible is a remake 2.0 of the Jewish scriptures as is the Qur'an or rather simple put they are all a play on the same information. Yes there are good simple teaching of morality in some of these text and I never tried to refute that fact.

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At 1/21/14 05:38 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: DarkOasis I think you've entered a conversation where people have already made up their mind before it has started. To the atheists and agnostics, the concept of God is simply inconvenient to their lifestyles...

Right so you're just going to ignore how terrible his arguments are and make wide generalizations about his opponents.

Good job, come back when you're realize that you're the one reinforcing an entrenched view.

At 1/23/14 09:39 PM, Entice wrote:

At 1/21/14 05:38 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: DarkOasis I think you've entered a conversation where people have already made up their mind before it has started. To the atheists and agnostics, the concept of God is simply inconvenient to their lifestyles...

Right so you're just going to ignore how terrible his arguments are and make wide generalizations about his opponents.

Pretty much, what's the point in arguing? Nobody's mind is changed, and everyone leaves irritated. At least this way I'm amused and you're irritated instead of me.

At 1/23/14 11:38 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: Pretty much, what's the point in arguing? Nobody's mind is changed, and everyone leaves irritated. At least this way I'm amused and you're irritated instead of me.

Who said I'm irritated?

Wow. W-O-W. The world is in a deep, deep hole. But I can't say I'm not impressed at your experience in disproving God and wallowing in what you believe that there is no better afterlife than this one.

Yes, I'll agree coming in here thinking I could get some lazy atheists to see there is something better was a bit naive.
And you also showed that my argument was so flawed that the opening statement was enough to just be torn apart on the spot.

So I'll sign off with a few questions and some statements; respond to these as you will, I probably won't reply.

Why wouldn't you want to believe in a god that promises a better future, who wants only for you to not only make the world a better place, but wants you to spend eternity after doing so at his side in a perfect realm? Even if it's all fake, the character you'd get from it is definably better than what I see right now. Intolerance, racism, war, random violence, genocides, SWAG(I dislike this one almost as much as war), it's all just horrendous. Truth, hope, pure happiness, inspiration; this is what comes with the holy package.

So to reiterate, why not?
( I see 3 people responding negatively, 2 who make a lol or two out of it, and 2 who can at least respect this.
Oh this'll be good..... God bless us all).

Why does this thread draw in so many poes?

At 1/24/14 06:26 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Why does this thread draw in so many poes?

Poes? Can't say I've heard the term before.

At 1/24/14 07:01 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/24/14 06:26 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Why does this thread draw in so many poes?

Poes? Can't say I've heard the term before.

If you'd try Z-Targeting them in Ocarina of Time, they'd turn invisible. Only way to kill them was the old fashioned way, by pulling out a bow and aiming unassisted.

At 1/24/14 05:17 PM, DarkOasis wrote:

Yes, I'll agree coming in here thinking I could get some lazy atheists to see there is something better was a bit naive.

I think it's naive to expect atheists to adopt your views because you trot out the same, refuted arguments that theists use over and over again in an attempt to prove God's existence while belittling them.

I'm always open to discussion about this kind of subject matter, but I don't really take kindly to any undeserved condescension from theists such as yourself.

It's also said that, like other stereotypical theists, you start a discussion and express a desire for civil discussion but as it progresses, you come to disdain because we aren't persuaded by your arguments.

Why wouldn't you want to believe in a god that promises a better future, who wants only for you to not only make the world a better place, but wants you to spend eternity after doing so at his side in a perfect realm?

There's no evidence for it. It's as simple as that.

And no, your arguments simply don't count. Moreover, believing in something because it's pleasant to believe isn't rational. Believe in it because it is true or probably true. The idea of an afterlife is somewhat appealing to me, but I don't believe there is one because I've seen no evidence for one. That's all that matters, really.

Even if it's all fake, the character you'd get from it is definably better than what I see right now. Intolerance, racism, war, random violence, genocides, SWAG(I dislike this one almost as much as war), it's all just horrendous. Truth, hope, pure happiness, inspiration; this is what comes with the holy package.

The world is a better place now than it ever has been and it only continues to improve. Poverty is being eradicated around the world, education levels are going up, crime is going down, and war is less common than ever. The world is far from perfect, but it sure beats living in the 19th century.

And again, I'm not going to believe something that probably isn't true because it makes me feel good. That's irrational.

So to reiterate, why not?

That's not the rational thing to do. I try to live my life by the dictates of reason, not faith or emotion. Reason tells me not to bet against the belief that this life is the only one I will ever have.

At 1/24/14 09:20 PM, Light wrote:

It's also said that

*sad.

At 1/24/14 08:38 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: If you'd try Z-Targeting them

heh. Yep

At 1/24/14 05:17 PM, DarkOasis wrote: So I'll sign off with a few questions and some statements; respond to these as you will, I probably won't reply.

So in summation, you bump this thread to make your stance on theism clear and to have a debate about it, you then ignore the rebuttals to your argument, reiterate your position, then ignore the rebuttals again, inanely insist that a certain number of people need to join in before you'll respond to anything, until finally signing off with a promise to ignore any future rebuttals, with an appeal to wishful thinking to top it all off.

All in all, great contribution to the discussion, dick.

At 1/24/14 05:17 PM, DarkOasis wrote: Why wouldn't you want to believe in a god that promises a better future, who wants only for you to not only make the world a better place, but wants you to spend eternity after doing so at his side in a perfect realm?

Most people are satisfied with their existence as it is.. they don't have a reason to seek anything beyond the eye. They even admit their life is meaningless.. so how can you convince them to grow? I think you believe in a world rebirth.. same here, I say let them be purged.. I guess you would say their sins will damn them.

At 1/24/14 05:17 PM, DarkOasis wrote: I probably won't reply.

oh :(

Still seeing demons?

At 1/25/14 08:05 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: All in all, great contribution to the discussion, dick.

He really was the epic waste of time I expected him to be and reminds me why I created this thread...we need his kind corralled here instead of shitting the bed of this part of the boards.

What's everyone's thoughts on consciousness?

At 1/29/14 04:04 PM, Tankdown wrote: What's everyone's thoughts on consciousness?

I don't understand it. I don't claim to understand it. I don't care to understand it.

At 1/29/14 04:04 PM, Tankdown wrote: What's everyone's thoughts on consciousness?

Consciousness is the collective of sensations experienced as a result of the electrical and chemical reactions that take place in one's brain as one's sensory organs interact with one's environment.

At 1/29/14 04:36 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 1/29/14 04:04 PM, Tankdown wrote: What's everyone's thoughts on consciousness?

Consciousness is the collective of sensations experienced as a result of the electrical and chemical reactions that take place in one's brain as one's sensory organs interact with one's environment.

A little narrow don't you think? You don't include AI in that at all. (Future computers that think like human)