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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-24 04:55:20 Reply

At 10/24/13 04:47 AM, 24901miles wrote:
At 10/24/13 04:45 AM, Light wrote:
At 10/24/13 02:48 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote: ... Who are you guys talking to?
It appears our theist friend has been deleted from Newgrounds.

Can't say that I'll miss him.
That was our old friend Brandyn Boyles (Infamoss). He's back as "Drain Deimo" now.

This guy?


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-24 05:12:21 Reply

At 10/24/13 04:55 AM, Light wrote:
At 10/24/13 04:47 AM, 24901miles wrote:
At 10/24/13 04:45 AM, Light wrote:
At 10/24/13 02:48 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote: ... Who are you guys talking to?
It appears our theist friend has been deleted from Newgrounds.

Can't say that I'll miss him.
That was our old friend Brandyn Boyles (Infamoss). He's back as "Drain Deimo" now.
This guy?

I was pretty sure when I posted that. Now I'm not so certain. He's using a Pokémon icon, and he caught my eye because his new thread is almost identical to one of mine, and remaking threads is something I would expect him to do. I guess I could be wrong.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-27 19:04:01 Reply

It appears the last theist bites the dust as i enter this thread.


by all means... ask

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 04:55:32 Reply

Hojo from FF7 is an Atheist Scientist ;)

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Professor_Hojo

Hojo is the archetypical mad scientist. To him, everything in life is nothing but mere experiments, not caring about the well being of others when he puts his hypotheses and theories to the test.

He is arrogant and condescending, referring to people as "test subjects" and not bothering to learn their names unless, like Sephiroth, they prove exceptional. Hojo's only desire is the pursuit of science and understanding of the Planet, willing to go to any lengths to further his knowledge.

He performs many horrific experiments on unwilling human subjects with no regard for their well-being, and eventually even experiments on himself. Even when his actions put the city of Midgar at risk, Hojo considers it another price to pay for his experiments.

The End.

I also found this hillarious link lol.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist

Atheist (イノセン, Inosen?), also known as Innocent, is a status effect in Final Fantasy Tactics. A character affected by Atheist loses all faith in the gods, and their Faith will fall to zero, making magic attacks used by that character ineffective. Additionally, all magic cast on that character will have no effect at all. Nether Mantra also will not work on the character, rendering zero damage. Atheist lasts for 32 ticks.

The End

Haha, this is so hilarious :D

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 05:38:58 Reply

Actually, the first part is not true :P
But i am thinking of trying out "FInal Fantasy Tactics" on PS1 just to see how it works haha XD
Really strange idea but i like it XD

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 05:45:24 Reply

Why do atheists bash religious people for believing in God when they themselves have faith in a magical cause of the Universe?

Do they not see the irony of what they say?

Oh wait of course not because autists don't understand irony.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 06:54:17 Reply

At 10/29/13 05:45 AM, TheStyx wrote: Why do atheists bash religious people for believing in God when they themselves have faith in a magical cause of the Universe?

Maybe they took an objective look at the effects Religions have on our world and decided they need to be done away with. Or they just have no respect for liars and con artists. Or a myriad of other reasons.

Why does religious rhetoric beg for biased answers that are less obvious than the truth?

Do they not see the irony of what they say?

Pitting science against fairy tales… it's almost unfair these days. It astounds me that so much of the world is religious.

Oh wait of course not because autists don't understand irony.

The actual article that screenshot is from pokes fun at the Turkish researcher who is being quoted. Pretty ironic, don't you agree?


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 07:11:55 Reply

Pitting science against fairy tales… it's almost unfair these days. It astounds me that so much of the world is religious.

Even the most intelligent person can become a psychopath, just saying ;)

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 08:05:54 Reply

At 10/29/13 05:45 AM, TheStyx wrote: Oh wait of course not because autists don't understand irony.

I think this is a hilarious post, but I gotta say the word "autist" is starting to get on my nerves hella bad. Baaaaare overused


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 10:16:56 Reply

God exists

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 11:15:43 Reply

At 10/29/13 10:16 AM, Omegeist wrote: God exists

Which one?


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 11:42:54 Reply

At 10/29/13 11:15 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
At 10/29/13 10:16 AM, Omegeist wrote: God exists
Which one?

Yahweh obviously. All other Gods died out long ago.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 12:48:30 Reply

At 10/29/13 11:42 AM, TheStyx wrote: Yahweh obviously. All other Gods died out long ago.

Last I heard, Siva, and Kishiboujin were alive and well, thank you.

Funny story. Living in Japan I had to visit a Buddhist temple for a class and spend some time there. I just happened to go on a festival day and decided to participate. So, after asking to join in and getting laughed at (nervously) by some monk who didn't know what to do with the large white guy who spoke semi-broken Japanese, I went in for a Buddhist prayer. The prayer was to Kishiboujin. This minor goddess used to eat children, until one day the other gods got mad and ate her children. She was so distraught that she changed her ways and became the patron goddess for children's health and fertility. The monks would pray for either the health of your children or your fertility. Seeing as I didn't have any children, I chose fertility. Now, mind you, I was told I was 90% or so likely to be infertile after finishing chemotherapy just a few months earlier. Needless to say, two years later I had a child. Take it to mean whatever you want, I just like the story.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-29 13:52:56 Reply

At 10/29/13 12:48 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Take it to mean whatever you want, I just like the story.

I'd take it as an example of how someone can turn their life around and become productive members of society, so y'know, don't be too harsh on the people who cannibalize children.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-30 00:06:52 Reply

At 10/29/13 12:48 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

Take it to mean whatever you want, I just like the story.

Welp, I'm gonna go pray to the gods of the buddhists you met.

They actually get shit done.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-30 18:54:47 Reply

At 10/29/13 05:38 AM, Colastreet1991 wrote: Actually, the first part is not true :P
But i am thinking of trying out "FInal Fantasy Tactics" on PS1 just to see how it works haha XD
Really strange idea but i like it XD

What is the point you're trying to make with these posts?

At 10/29/13 10:16 AM, Omegeist wrote: God exists

It's official. Discussion over.

At 10/29/13 06:54 AM, 24901miles wrote: The actual article that screenshot is from pokes fun at the Turkish researcher who is being quoted. Pretty ironic, don't you agree?

Well, if what he said about autistic people is true, then he'd never know if it's ironic.

At 10/29/13 11:15 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
At 10/29/13 10:16 AM, Omegeist wrote: God exists
Which one?

Gozer


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-10-30 19:22:36 Reply

At 10/30/13 06:54 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Gozer

There is no Gozer. There is only Zuul.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-01 01:39:00 Reply

At 10/23/13 12:01 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:
I never said he wasn't a hypocrite. But yeah, he identified as Catholic. The Christians who perpetrated the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition didn't honor that commandment either, but they sure were Christians.

Hitler only publicly identified that way. He was utterly disdainful of Christianity in private, though he was not an atheist.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-01 03:50:26 Reply

It is amazing how much trouble can come from differences in beliefs in past events when most of the times it's not very relevant anyway.

The world exists. We exist. If all this came to be because of a higher being or because of chance events doesn't change much I think.

The problems of the world will still exist either way.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-01 08:52:27 Reply

At 11/1/13 01:39 AM, The-General-Public wrote: Hitler only publicly identified that way. He was utterly disdainful of Christianity in private, though he was not an atheist.

Wouldn't you say that a dictator's public positions and policies are rather more important than his private ones, regardless of whether they conflict with one another?


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-01 09:40:18 Reply

At 11/1/13 01:39 AM, The-General-Public wrote: Hitler only publicly identified that way. He was utterly disdainful of Christianity in private, though he was not an atheist.

Genuinely interested - what proof is there for this? I haven't heard of this so far.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 09:04:17 Reply

Atheism in one picture.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 09:29:37 Reply

At 11/4/13 09:04 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheism in one picture.

Where does not believing in God morph into not caring if everyone died?

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 10:46:20 Reply

At 11/4/13 09:29 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 11/4/13 09:04 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheism in one picture.
Where does not believing in God morph into not caring if everyone died?

Atheists do not have a sense of moral duty. They wouldn't care if everyone died because they live in an amoral Universe.

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 11:03:53 Reply

At 11/1/13 03:50 AM, NeonSpider wrote: It is amazing how much trouble can come from differences in beliefs in past events when most of the times it's not very relevant anyway.

The world exists. We exist. If all this came to be because of a higher being or because of chance events doesn't change much I think.

The problems of the world will still exist either way.

It's incredibly relevant!

The entire point of using science to discover truths about how the universe–and humanity–came into being is that those facts will help us to solve problems in day-to-day life! Religion has been used for the same reasons, but it's also been used to wage war on scientific progress. Anti-Vaxxers in Islam have murdered vaccine workers who are trying to eradicate Polio. Christian anti-Vaxxers are turning entire communities into breeding grounds for completely preventable illnesses.

Why do we study dinosaurs? Because it helps us to understand the history of life on this planet, and reminds us how fragile species can truly be—and how important it is to save them.
Why do we study asteroids and other planets? Because the Chicxulub Meteor destroyed most of the species on Earth 66 million years ago, and we need to know how to avert natural disasters, or make them benefit us!
Why do we study stars? Because we need to understand the processes underlying nuclear energy production, habitability in other solar systems, and the fate of ours!
Why do we study galaxies? Because understanding the distribution of matter in the universe helps us predict new particles, new forms of matter and energy, and to innovate new technologies which can improve life!
Why do we study the Big Bang? Because it's… I'm drawing a blank. ;P NO wait, because there are new technologies and discoveries to be found even if we don't know what we're looking for!

There are all these fantastic ways to use science to the benefit of the entire human race. Why should we continue to deprive young minds of the fascinating truth about the world around them? Is religion even relevant to society in this day and age?!


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 11:06:49 Reply

At 11/4/13 10:46 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheists do not have a sense of moral duty. They wouldn't care if everyone died because they live in an amoral Universe.

That's not even hard to refute. You should try harder.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 11:42:58 Reply

At 11/4/13 11:19 AM, Twelfthelf wrote:
At 11/4/13 11:06 AM, 24901miles wrote:
At 11/4/13 10:46 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheists do not have a sense of moral duty. They wouldn't care if everyone died because they live in an amoral Universe.
That's not even hard to refute. You should try harder.
I don't hear a refutation, faggot.

Aw, OK. If you don't want to be dismissed candidly, you shouldn't pull out MagicalSkyFairy memes.

Morality within all major religions evolved relative to the growth of ethics in Western and Continental Philosophy. Although Religion has a great way to sell Ethics and Moral Beliefs to children and pious adults, those morals can be flawed. Most of the world's religious texts contain instructions for performing acts which are illegal in secular nations, despite also forbidding those acts when they are practiced on members of your own religious group. Some modern sects of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism support the murder of, theft from, and destruction of people outside their religion. So, the only way for a religious nation to eliminate all immorality would be for everybody to convert to that religion, or die.

Whereas, Atheists can live ethical lives, and tend to. According to a recent Scientific study, Ethical Behavior is triggered by thinking about Science because Science is the pursuit of truth, an ethical act.

It seems that despite all of the Religious grandstanding and posturing about Piety influencing Morality, they are entirely separate.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 12:07:51 Reply

At 11/4/13 10:46 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheists do not have a sense of moral duty. They wouldn't care if everyone died because they live in an amoral Universe.

Where do you get the idea that they have no sense of moral duty?

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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 13:08:59 Reply

At 11/4/13 11:19 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: I don't hear a refutation, faggot.

It's funny Ayer, Mills and Hooker (all atheists) are 3 of the most influential ethical philosophers ever.


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Response to "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic 2013-11-04 13:42:02 Reply

At 11/4/13 12:07 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 11/4/13 10:46 AM, Twelfthelf wrote: Atheists do not have a sense of moral duty. They wouldn't care if everyone died because they live in an amoral Universe.
Where do you get the idea that they have no sense of moral duty?

In an amoral universe, who cares about morality, you should only care about yourself and your friends.