The American Moron

[KodiakClaw]

I've been watching the George Bush show and I realized something. People seem to think of bush as a special class of person, he isn't. George bush is a perfectly average american in terms of almost everything except his family and his job. Yes he's a fucking moron, but so is half of this country, and I mean that literaly, half the populace is below average, this is called statistics. Even Bush's aproval ratings (not sure what they are right now but they used to be 50%) rerflect an average. The truth is we actually ELECTED Bush, we get what we deserve. Or perhaps the problem is simply the choices we are given, I actually supported Bush during the 2000 election, because our other option was AL Gore, yes theres a real choice. Somebody with a vocabulary of 15,000 (if you don't count made up words) versus a guy delusional enough to think he invented the internet. Oh wait there was a third party wasn't there, except of course that Nader is a communist. I am sick and tired of having to choose the lesser evil, and of course, theres no way to change this because the only way to get elected is to be either a democrat or a republican candidate, and in order to be a one you have to follow the party completly, not to mention there's to many people who vote democrat or republican without even knowing who the candidates are. It's even worse here in Utah where the democrats are really republicans and the republicans do whatever the church tells them to. You know what this year I'm going to find a candidate that is actually worth voting for, even if I'm the only vote they get.

[IceWraith15]

I agree, you make a very logical point. It really bothers me how some people think George Bush is some overcontrolling greedy corrupt facist dictator who faked the entire election and somehow is responsible for every problem in America, people should realize that there is more to government than the President, there is Congress, and the Supreme Court, not to mention the fact that these sections check and balance each other to make sure that nobody abuses their power.

[Proteas]

And we will be forced to choose the lesser of two evil's until one steps up who is actually worth voting for. Get used to it. I would still rather see Bush in office of Kerry, Edwards, or that pinko commie Nader.

I'm voting Bush this year, and I'm not saying this to play "Devil's Advocate" either.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

My goal is to run in 2024, I'm creating my own party, basically it is focused on ownership.
See the platform is that you own your body, and have the right to do with it what you please, if you want to destroy it with drugs, it's your body, you own it.
You own your property, if you want to have a resturaunt with no 'non-smoking' section, that's your business, you own your business and it is there for the owner's benefeit. If someone doesn't like Visigoths, he doesn't have to serve Visigoths.

Obviously, with such an emphasis on ownership, the name of the party should be the 'Ownage' party. Vote ownage 2024.

By the way, does anyone know of a good screen printer in the San Diego area, I want to make shirts promoting me for 2024. It's never too early to start.

[blueloa13]

At 3/2/04 07:03 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: My goal is to run in 2024, I'm creating my own party, basically it is focused on ownership.
See the platform is that you own your body, and have the right to do with it what you please, if you want to destroy it with drugs, it's your body, you own it.
You own your property, if you want to have a resturaunt with no 'non-smoking' section, that's your business, you own your business and it is there for the owner's benefeit. If someone doesn't like Visigoths, he doesn't have to serve Visigoths.

Hey man, you should check out the Libertarian party. One of its main ideals is that a person has the right to fuck up their own body if they want too. As long as it doesnt mess with anyone else then you can do it. check it out at
Libertarian Party

[bombkangaroo]

At 3/2/04 07:03 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: My goal is to run in 2024, I'm creating my own party, basically it is focused on ownership.
See the platform is that you own your body, and have the right to do with it what you please, if you want to destroy it with drugs, it's your body, you own it.
You own your property, if you want to have a resturaunt with no 'non-smoking' section, that's your business, you own your business and it is there for the owner's benefeit. If someone doesn't like Visigoths, he doesn't have to serve Visigoths.

Obviously, with such an emphasis on ownership, the name of the party should be the 'Ownage' party. Vote ownage 2024.

By the way, does anyone know of a good screen printer in the San Diego area, I want to make shirts promoting me for 2024. It's never too early to start.

if i lived over there you would have my vote.

but what is your policy on treating drug addicts/ the consequences of their drug use? and do you think there should be age restrictions on self destructive substances?

[IceWraith15]

At 3/2/04 07:03 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: My goal is to run in 2024

My goal is the same, but I beleive that Americans should unite to reform society and create economic and politcal systems that would ensure economic and politcal infallibility. I also believe that America should lead a movement to unite free nations worldwide in similar goals, not to mention i beleive that the space program should be upped a bit. My main goal is to ensure economic stability by creating a form of social wealth redistribution.

[beaucoup-yeux]

At 3/2/04 07:12 PM, blueloa13 wrote:
Hey man, you should check out the Libertarian party. One of its main ideals is that a person has the right to fuck up their own body if they want too. As long as it doesnt mess with anyone else then you can do it. check it out at
Libertarian Party

Yeah, the Libertarian party is pretty popular on campus, but once you look at what they really believe in, you realize that NOTHING would ever happen at home, whether good or bad.

On a seperate note, i just heard Edwards is going to drop out.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

I have done research on the libertarian party, my major problem with them is that they do not have the philosophical support that they need to adequately defend their stance.

To clarify, I think that if someone were to fuck up their body with drugs, there should be no more government help than there would be if someone fucked up their car with explosives. Why can't the government be an uncaring yet fair organization that does only what it is designed to do. Why should a government have to carry the burden of the people. Why not corporations, or unions, or people born on tuesdays.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 3/2/04 05:28 PM, KodiakClaw wrote: The truth is we actually ELECTED Bush, we get what we deserve.

The truth is Bush actually LOST the popular vote.

The truth is that in this day and age of information technology, our electoral system is flawed.

[L-Trippin]

If the democrats win california, then there is a good chance that bush might be out of office. According to the electorial votes.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 3/2/04 11:39 PM, THE_GUZZ wrote:

At 3/2/04 05:28 PM, KodiakClaw wrote: The truth is we actually ELECTED Bush, we get what we deserve.

The truth is Bush actually LOST the popular vote.

How is that relevant to anything. Really, what does the popular vote have to do with our system.

The truth is that in this day and age of information technology, our electoral system is flawed.

Your link only discusses how the electoral college system works, it does not have any description of how it is 'flawed'

The truth is, in this day and age of mathematical ignorance, most people don't know that all electoral systems are fundamentally flawed. Now look up the definition of the word fundamentally, and say it in your head a few times while pondering it's meaning.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to create a "non" flawed electoral system, even in ideal conditions.

Sorry if I got a little repetitive, but I wanted to emphasise the FACT that it is not possible to design a fair electoral system

[The-Darklands]

At 3/3/04 12:38 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

The truth is, in this day and age of mathematical ignorance, most people don't know that all electoral systems are fundamentally flawed. Now look up the definition of the word fundamentally, and say it in your head a few times while pondering it's meaning.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to create a "non" flawed electoral system, even in ideal conditions.

not to be exacting but the electoral system in nessecarily flawed i think is the term, and of course it is its meant to reflect the popular vote when all we are looking for anyway is the popular vote, if you win by a very small margin in every state and the other person gets every single person in california they would have many more in the popular vote but lose by 200 points in the electorial college, its really unnecessary , but i dont care, i mean i just dont.

[The-Darklands]

so naders a commie...might as well vote for him

[mpython99]

Bush may have lost the popular vote, but how many of the last presidents have? The electoral college is set up so that every state has a voting power based on its population. So a state like Claifornia does have a large say in the overall election, but it doesn't have the final say. But cities like Chicago can sway the state, a large population density will win the overall view of the state. For Illinois case most of the state voted for Bush, but Chicago like Gore, so Gore got Illinois electoral votes in the 2000 election. Basically the election is not a race for the largest populaion, but a race to win over the majaority of the country.

So Bush lost the popular vote, big deal lot of presidents do, but he still won the majority of the country over. And lets face it he's doing a damn fine job. There's no way he could have caused all the problems he's being blamed for. And he is one of very few presidens who have a rating of 50% or better this close to re-election, and the rest all were re-elected.

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

At 3/3/04 12:58 AM, mpython99 wrote:

So Bush lost the popular vote, big deal lot of presidents do, but he still won the majority of the country over. And lets face it he's doing a damn fine job. There's no way he could have caused all the problems he's being blamed for. And he is one of very few presidens who have a rating of 50% or better this close to re-election, and the rest all were re-elected.

Hell Yeah! And have you seen the candidates running up for this terms presidency? I'm scared like a motherfucker.
If Bush isn't re-elected, I dont know what's going to happen to this country. But I guess we'll find out.
I just know who i'm voting for

[DrNeroCF]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I like Bush, he's a silly man who makes me laugh.

[mpython99]

At 3/3/04 05:42 AM, DrNeroCF wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I like Bush, he's a silly man who makes me laugh.

Thats a good motivation for your vote, personally I look at what he stands for. But regardless of why you vote Bush still will win, he's a good president with no one respectable running against him.

[Leap]

And you wonder why the rest of the world wants to blow you up!!

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 3/3/04 10:45 AM, firebird1 wrote: And you wonder why the rest of the world wants to blow you up!!

Because they're all peace loving people who want no violence and plenty of marijuana for each other!

Every time an election comes up, you get basically get to choose between Hitler and Satan, is it any wonder the 2000 presidential elections got a 51% voter turnout?

[True-Lies]

At 3/2/04 05:28 PM, KodiakClaw wrote: I've been watching the George Bush show and I realized something. People seem to think of bush as a special class of person, he isn't. George bush is a perfectly average american in terms of almost everything except his family and his job.

Who IS the average American? An immigrant? A poor person? A homosexuality, reality altering drugs, and hockey loving per- no wait, that's an average Canadian. Oh well.

Yes he's a fucking moron,

Yes, this is evidenced by the fact that the "You Are A Fucking Moron" show told me to hate him because he's a moron.

but so is half of this country, and I mean that literaly, half the populace is below average, this is called statistics.

I'm not sure how they'd poll the entire populace, so your point is quite moot.

Even Bush's aproval ratings (not sure what they are right now but they used to be 50%) rerflect an average.

Just curious as to how they get those approval ratings, where exactly do they take the polls for it?

The truth is we actually ELECTED Bush, we get what we deserve. Or perhaps the problem is simply the choices we are given

Can't say I disagree :)

I actually supported Bush during the 2000 election, because our other option was AL Gore, yes theres a real choice. Somebody with a vocabulary of 15,000 (if you don't count made up words) versus a guy delusional enough to think he invented the internet. Oh wait there was a third party wasn't there, except of course that Nader is a communist.

Listen to Uncle Sam: communists suck. And remeber kids, the government is your friend.

I am sick and tired of having to choose the lesser evil, and of course, theres no way to change this

Actually, the other day a very good friend (and master) of mine suggested compulsory elections, in which /<Funkyness> we choose who we want to run the country, wether they want to or not. If they refuse, they would be charged with high treason and executed. /<Funkyness>

because the only way to get elected is to be either a democrat or a republican candidate, and in order to be a one you have to follow the party completly, not to mention there's to many people who vote democrat or republican without even knowing who the candidates are. It's even worse here in Utah where the democrats are really republicans and the republicans do whatever the church tells them to. You know what this year I'm going to find a candidate that is actually worth voting for, even if I'm the only vote they get.

If everyone could do that, there would be no problem. Suffice it to say, the people are sheep. Why do you think that major religion has come so far over the years? People don't want to think for themselves, they don't want to have to be eternally vigilant for the sake of their country, they want an almighty god that they can have think for them. Whenever something bad happens, it's not the result of human error, or even bad planning, it's because god intended it to happen in that way.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 3/3/04 12:38 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: How is that relevant to anything. Really, what does the popular vote have to do with our system.

What?

The popular vote represents who the people that actually got off their asses to go to the polls chose, not who the Electoral College chose.

Your link only discusses how the electoral college system works, it does not have any description of how it is 'flawed'

Do you need to be spoon-fed everything?

"Most of the time, electors cast their votes for the candidate who has received the most votes in that particular state. However, there have been times when electors have voted contrary to the people's decision, which is entirely legal."

Their votes do not have to represent the actual votes of the people who went to the polls. A handful of people being able to override the decision of thousands of other people is not right.

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to create a "non" flawed electoral system, even in ideal conditions.

Well IT IS POSSIBLE to create a BETTER system that more accurately reflects the choice of THE PEOPLE. Our votes don't mean nearly as much as we think (and many people are already convinced that voting is worthless).

The Electoral College votes for us, but when was the last time you remember voting for any of the actual electors? Do you even know who it is that represents you and your state's presidential votes?

[blueloa13]

At 3/2/04 09:06 PM, kada wrote:

Yeah, the Libertarian party is pretty popular on campus, but once you look at what they really believe in, you realize that NOTHING would ever happen at home, whether good or bad.

YOu know whats funny about that though. They are the biggest 3rd Party (considering the amount of offices they hold). I like them probably becuase they are pretty liberal and its actually a side i can take in voting. Archo-Communism has little backing in the political arena.

[JoS]

Im gonna run for President in a future election, under the Baath PArty. Even though I am not American, I will fake the documents to do it.

[BeFell]

At 3/2/04 11:51 PM, L-Trippin wrote: If the democrats win california, then there is a good chance that bush might be out of office. According to the electorial votes.

The Democrats won California in the last election.

[dman3ca]

well first of all, Bush is probally gay and related to osama(y do u think he cant find him?!?!?!?!) and bush had better get out of office soon because he sucks as a pres, all that that bad stuff has happned since he has become pres......but, just my opinion

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/3/04 05:51 PM, punk_hippy wrote: Every time an election comes up, you get basically get to choose between Hitler and Satan, is it any wonder the 2000 presidential elections got a 51% voter turnout?

I dont know about you, but i'd DEFINATELY vote for Greens, in that case.

[Stoner-Primus]

At 3/3/04 07:57 PM, THE_GUZZ wrote: What?

Do you need to be spoon-fed everything?

:A handful of people being able to override the decision of thousands of other people is not right.

:Our votes don't mean nearly as much as we think . . .

:Do you even know who it is that represents you and your state's presidential votes?

TEH GUZZ! Throwin' down some surly shit on you foos. Good job. Teach 'em what the fuck is up Steve-a-rino.

P.S. Happy freakin' birthday DOOD!

[IceWraith15]

At 3/4/04 12:50 AM, dman3ca wrote: well first of all, Bush is probally gay and related to osama(y do u think he cant find him?!?!?!?!) and bush had better get out of office soon because he sucks as a pres, all that that bad stuff has happned since he has become pres......but, just my opinion

YOUR PRESIDENT, did not cause these things to happen, is Bush responsible for 9/11? He didn't hijack the planes, and why can't we find him? You try searching in the middle east for a guy who moves all the time. You have the intelligence of a 10-year-old, PLEASE don't vote, you'll just screw up the country even more.