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At 3/4/04 05:18 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: If a person comes to the conclusion that the existence of god is irrelivant, does that make them Agnostic or Atheist.

Buddhists dont believe in a god

At 3/4/04 04:27 PM, sezen wrote: I am both a muslim and a buddhist and I am just happy with that.

You can't do that. You might as well say you're both atheist and christian.

Exactly, one of the biggest beliefs of the main 3 monotheistic religions is worshiping only God. Not all, but some forms of Buddhism actually worship Budda. To claim to be Muslim and Buddhist is not only contradictory, its just plain dumb.

At 3/6/04 04:07 AM, Ceris wrote: To claim to be Muslim and Buddhist is not only contradictory, its just plain dumb.

It is possible to be so.You could worship Allah and follow the teachings of buddah. It's not that hard to comprehend.

buddism would probaly be best for you. its mainly all about philosiphy, and becoming a better person.

At 3/6/04 08:39 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: It is possible to be so.You could worship Allah and follow the teachings of buddah. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Nope. You'd have to be one or the other. You COULD follow the teachings of Buddha, but you're never going to see the pearly gates of heaven if you don't follow the Qur'an to a tee.

I'd reccommend you look into the church of the Sub-Genius. There's even an official Card game for that religion (it's an expansion pack for Steven Jackson Games' "Illuminati New World Order"

Confucionism man. Its the way to go. No people sucking money from you in a bowl. No praying, no priests and stuff. I dont think there are many wars involving it either.

Anyone interested in spiritual enlightenment should check out my fav. spiritual author, James Redfield

http://www.celestinevision.com/main.html

you should have spiritual enlightenment atleast then you'll actually have a brain because religion is just do this or bad stuff will happen to you, you know i'd rather be true to myself then follow what everyone else does.

At 3/6/04 08:10 PM, True-Lies wrote: Nope. You'd have to be one or the other. You COULD follow the teachings of Buddha, but you're never going to see the pearly gates of heaven if you don't follow the Qur'an to a tee.

That's not what the vast majority of Muslim, like Christians believe. The holy books are to be interpreted, remember, they were written thousands of years ago, and may have some errors that we now know of. It's perfectly possible to be both Buddist and Muslim, and expect tpo get into heaven wheny ou die.

At 3/8/04 02:14 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

That's not what the vast majority of Muslim, like Christians believe. The holy books are to be interpreted, remember, they were written thousands of years ago, and may have some errors that we now know of. It's perfectly possible to be both Buddist and Muslim, and expect tpo get into heaven wheny ou die.

Yea the whole fact that when you believe in Buddhism, when you die you get your mind put into another being until you reach nirvana and when your a muslim you believe in heaven and hell. I guess you could practice both its just it would be way to contradicting of one another.

I don't know about that whole heaven/hell thing. Right now, I'm in hell, and it's cold. So heaven is warm?

It's hard to believe in Heaven and Hell (personally) based upon my parents telling me about how when I was a baby, I used to tell stories of events that never happened, and it was impossible for me to have such a knowledge of those things. See if your parents have any of those stories. You might be surprised.

At 3/8/04 10:41 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

It's hard to believe in Heaven and Hell (personally) based upon my parents telling me about how when I was a baby, I used to tell stories of events that never happened, and it was impossible for me to have such a knowledge of those things. See if your parents have any of those stories. You might be surprised.

Maybe it was from a former life time. It could possibly be that. But who knows for sure until we die.

The only thing that makes me question alot of the heaven and hell stuff, is that when people you know die in the hospital and brought back to life. They never seem to see hell or heaven.

i definatly would have to say buddism would be for you.

At 2/29/04 08:04 PM, -gOOie- wrote: I've been looking at religions to join for years. Yet, I haven't found a single one that doesn't warp your mind or has a militant side to it. Is it better to have spiritual enlightenment or religious guidance in this day and age?

try catholisism, idk, do want u want

At 3/4/04 05:18 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: If a person comes to the conclusion that the existence of god is irrelivant, does that make them Agnostic or Atheist.

If this is the conclusion you come to, then you have once again become human.

At 2/29/04 08:04 PM, -gOOie- wrote: I've been looking at religions to join for years. Yet, I haven't found a single one that doesn't warp your mind or has a militant side to it. Is it better to have spiritual enlightenment or religious guidance in this day and age?

.....Fuck religon, be like me. I belive in a god, a heven, a hell and a judgment day. And that's good enought for me.

But doesn't the cycle of rebirth and past lives make a little more sense than heaven or hell?

At 3/9/04 01:09 PM, -gOOie- wrote: But doesn't the cycle of rebirth and past lives make a little more sense than heaven or hell?

Read a book by Sylvia Brown, or visit her website ( http://www.sylvia.org/home/index.cfm). I wouldn't bother, but you might find that kind of thing interesting.

Ignoring your religious upbringing (or lack there of), what seems more logical about what occurs when we die?

At 3/9/04 01:09 PM, -gOOie- wrote: But doesn't the cycle of rebirth and past lives make a little more sense than heaven or hell?

i did to me. and it makes more sense than having one ginormous supra being that rules over all of us. kinda freaks me out.

I don't know that karma and reincarnation necessarily make more sense, I think they are definitely more palatable to the western mind, with their focus on accomplishment and progress.

The main problem I've always had with heaven and hell, is that by following certain logical paths through Christianity, one comes to the conclusion that Hell is the ultimate destination for all people, and Heaven is only a temporary stop.

This is basically based on the idea that if God is perfectly kind, then he would want what's best for us, and since we all have the same nature, the ultimate super best thing for all of us would be the thing that fulfills our nature. It wouldn't make sense for there to be two final destinations, so unless Hell is temporary, Heaven is.

Christians get pissed when I say things like that.

i got a great religion, it's called beer.

At 3/9/04 07:02 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

This is basically based on the idea that if God is perfectly kind, then he would want what's best for us, and since we all have the same nature, the ultimate super best thing for all of us would be the thing that fulfills our nature. It wouldn't make sense for there to be two final destinations, so unless Hell is temporary, Heaven is.

Christians get pissed when I say things like that.

But you are correct. If this God was so kind and merciful. Then why would he have given humans free thought and then know that some (or most) would be living in eternal damnation. It just makes me question how merciful or kind their god really is. I dont know if thats what you were hinting at but thats my 2 cents.

At 3/10/04 10:29 PM, blueloa13 wrote:

But you are correct. If this God was so kind and merciful. Then why would he have given humans free thought and then know that some (or most) would be living in eternal damnation. It just makes me question how merciful or kind their god really is. I dont know if thats what you were hinting at but thats my 2 cents.

See, the way I see it, punishment is not bad, in fact it is very very kind. When you spank a child for doing wrong, it is kinder than letting the child hurt itself doing something dangerous. Through punishment, a person learns, and can be "shocked into understanding." This means that even if Hell appears to be a very awful place, it, by providing ultimate understanding, would be a paradise.

At 3/9/04 07:18 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: i got a great religion, it's called beer.

Thats funny, yet very sad.

There's no need to "find a new religion". Just look around. See what kinds of religion and philosophy there are. Apply what you want to your life. Believe what you want; nobody's forcing you to apply yourself to one religion.

At 2/29/04 08:04 PM, -gOOie- wrote: I've been looking at religions to join for years. Yet, I haven't found a single one that doesn't warp your mind or has a militant side to it. Is it better to have spiritual enlightenment or religious guidance in this day and age?

Church of Later Day Saints, they're the one true church. Know what, I'm kidding, My mom and Dad were strong mormons and they got out of it (before i got baptised, thank "someone"). If the mormon church found out who i was, i'd be killed. My mom was sent to that big church in Utah, and was given the secret name of "Ester" she was told not to tell anyone or she would suffer in hell. If you hate mormons, then stop, they were programmed by a crazt fucked up church. I'm missing a lot of info about it but don't tell any mormons.

At 3/11/04 12:38 AM, greeniemachinie wrote: There's no need to "find a new religion". Just look around. See what kinds of religion and philosophy there are. Apply what you want to your life. Believe what you want; nobody's forcing you to apply yourself to one religion.

yea thats what i did. I found Buddhism to fit nicely into my life and my lifestyle. Plus its very interesting and relaxing.