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Worship the all mighty dollar. Think about it, you worship something that actually exists, and actually has another good reason to be than a form of brainwashing and/or entertainment medium for the simple minded. I am of course talking about this thing we call capitalism. Seriously, its everywhere in our society, and the overwhelming majority of the world loves it so its a shoe in! But rememeber, capitalism dosen't warp your mind, its YOU who gets greedy!

At 3/1/04 08:38 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Worship the all mighty dollar. Think about it, you worship something that actually exists, and actually has another good reason to be than a form of brainwashing and/or entertainment medium for the simple minded.

who are you, Ayn Rand?

At 3/1/04 08:46 PM, lunchbxpat wrote:
who are you, Ayn Rand?

Never heard of him.

At 3/1/04 08:50 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 3/1/04 08:46 PM, lunchbxpat wrote:
who are you, Ayn Rand?

Never heard of him.

her, and nevermind.

At 3/1/04 08:51 PM, lunchbxpat wrote:
her, and nevermind.

Please, tell me who she was.

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At 3/1/04 08:59 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 3/1/04 08:51 PM, lunchbxpat wrote:

Ayn rand wrote a few books (the Fountianhead, Atlas Shrugged, Anthem) and had a philosophy called objectivism. i don't think she created it, but she was a huge advocate of it and always wrote about it (subtly, all her books portrayed it positively) i think the philosophy is bullshit. basically, art should not be on display because the public isn't smart enough to appreciate it, money rules everything and is more important than anything. the most important part of it was that you should only worry about yourself, because if you were about others you will get screwed.

go to www.aynrand.org if you want to know more, but that's actually a very skewed (in favor of objectivism) point of view.

At 3/1/04 07:10 PM, Kyle_22 wrote: So you need some fictional character to make you feel better about yourself?

No, finding inner peace is my goal, so looking within myself is what I try to do. I could care less about God or some idol to woreship. There is something out there, like the force (but less cheesy) and it is something that we should all look into.

Why don't you worship your freedom of thought? Instead of blindly following something, read about it, and decide if it actually makes sense.

If I followed my church blindly, I wouldn't have posted this, now would I?

I find breathing and relaxation techniques are helpful when meditating on one's personal religious philosophy. The trick is to listen, not to project.

At 3/1/04 10:14 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: I find breathing and relaxation techniques are helpful when meditating on one's personal religious philosophy. The trick is to listen, not to project.

I find that that method works when you need to consentrate on about anything. I spend alot of time meditating on topics at home.

At 3/1/04 10:36 PM, blueloa13 wrote: I find that that method works when you need to consentrate on about anything. I spend alot of time meditating on topics at home.

Yeah, or before I spar with my friend. If you are aware of your chi, you should be able to focus it and (personally) I feel a lot better.

At 3/1/04 09:18 PM, lunchbxpat wrote: Ayn rand wrote a few books (the Fountianhead, Atlas Shrugged, Anthem) and had a philosophy called objectivism. i don't think she created it, but she was a huge advocate of it and always wrote about it (subtly, all her books portrayed it positively)

She coined the term Objectivism and developed most of the philosophical aspects of it. Some of the ideas were already in place but she was the first one to present it in a complete manner

i think the philosophy is bullshit. basically, art should not be on display because the public isn't smart enough to appreciate it,

Just because one neurotic character in her book destroyed a statue, doesn't mean that her philosophy is about smashing statues.

money rules everything and is more important than anything.

Not true, the philosophy states that productive work is the only virtue and that Egoism is more important than anything.

the most important part of it was that you should only worry about yourself, because if you were about others you will get screwed.

Not true, it's basically that you should live your life for yourself, and not sacrifice your interests for people who you have no reason to care for. Basically, don't give all your money away to homeless people.

Here is a basic synopsis of her philosophy according to her book:

1. Metaphysics: Objective Reality
2. Epistemology: Reason
3. Ethics: Self-interest
4. Politics: Capitalism

It basically revolves around the idea that man is rational, and that the only way for a rational man to live is through application of reason. Therefore, the initiation of force is disallowed as a moral act, forcing people to trade in order to survive. Furthermore, capitalism is the only economic system that does not involve force as the method of distribution, (as communism forcibly takes away the fruits of one's labors and redistributes them).

Keep in mind that this is a simplified explanation and full arguments for each of these positions would be long and detailed.

There have actually been a good deal of famous people associated with Objectivism, including Alan Greenspan, who has over time changed some of his views on capitalism, and Nathaniel Branden, who wrote a great deal on the subject of self esteem with respect to psychology.

A good deal of criticism towards the philosophy is directed at the way Ayn Rand lived. She was involved in an adulterous affair, that is a fact. She also tended to disown people if they disagreed with her. Nathaniel Branden was ejected from the clique because he disagreed on some issues, hypnotism was one of them if I remember correctly.

I'll make a thread sometime on the philosophy later if anyone wants to know more... My guess is you've already heard more than you really wanted to know.

thanks, doc, i appreciate you explainin it for me. it's been a few years since i learned about her, and i know that my explanation of objectivism was a little biased.

ayn rand definitely loved money, though, and she was a firm believer in the philosophy that art should not be released to the public.

She believed that art should not be funded with public money, she was all for private museums.

personally the only religion you'll ever have is a bad one (fans of the band bad religion will appreciate that joke...)
Personally, i dont believe in borders of any kind...whther they be national, religious, social or any...the more people who worship a different God...the more people there are to declare war on. It may sound cynical, but in this time, when the most powerful country in the world is run by a buffoon who got in power upon the whim of a minority...id say its a pretty good stance to have...

Summary: you dont need a religion...if anything, become a jedi for a laugh.;)(apparently thats now classified as a religion according to a recent census taken here, lol)

The whole Jedi thing was taken from spiritual beliefs. Though it was hidden within the whole StarWars story line, it's still there. I think organized religion is good for those of us who are misguided in life, but it does also brings a problem. These people could be manipulated so they follow the interpretation of, oh, let's say God, and not form their own.

"The whole Jedi thing was taken from spiritual beliefs. Though it was hidden within the whole StarWars story line, it's still there. I think organized religion is good for those of us who are misguided in life, but it does also brings a problem. These people could be manipulated so they follow the interpretation of, oh, let's say God, and not form their own."
^^
well you raise an intresting point there...i guess, to a level, it is almost like any other religion...with the whole good vs. evil story, etc...buts its still pretty funny (btw, can u use quotes on this? im such a n00b...)

Actually, from what I understand, Zoroastrianism is the first religion to have a dualistic view of the world, or in other words "good and evil" Many religions don't have a concept of evil.

At 3/3/04 06:38 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Actually, from what I understand, Zoroastrianism is the first religion to have a dualistic view of the world, or in other words "good and evil" Many religions don't have a concept of evil.

Yeah, most have "positive" and "negative" (but they still don't stand for good or evil). It's more like the norm and the abnormal... however you want to put it, there really is a "lack" of good and evil

make up ur own religion...

if u look at a religion hard enough..towrads the begginnign of it, it kinda fades out...so this pretty much proves that sum random guy decided to make it up...

if u make ur own religion...and actualy believe in it (not just doing it to take the piss) then no1 can really stop ya

try Rastafarianism, it ties in with Christianity and u smoke ganja.

At 3/3/04 05:45 PM, rastaman1 wrote: try Rastafarianism, it ties in with Christianity and u smoke ganja.

well, if you MUST have a religion, try this one (^^)
smoke da 'erb, aiiiiiiiiiii!

Gooie, you said you don't believe in God. Are there any specific reasons that you don't?

And before anyone asks, yes I am a Christian.

Buddhists kick ass (proverbially)!

Yes, Buddhism would be the correct route to go if you're looking for a religion that's not really a religion.

At 3/4/04 05:50 AM, Ceris wrote: Gooie, you said you don't believe in God. Are there any specific reasons that you don't?

And before anyone asks, yes I am a Christian.

not to speak on his behalf, but i believe gooie is more of an agnostic. he wants to recognize that there is some sort of higher force in this world, but organized religion has warped his perception of it, and he is looking for a way to regain a faith.

sorry if i'm totally off here, gooie.

At 3/4/04 05:59 AM, True-Lies wrote: Buddhists kick ass (proverbially)!

No they dont. Buddists are pacifists :D

lunchbxpat, you're actually right on the money.

I am both a muslim and a buddhist and I am just happy with that.( I know that now one or two attention whores will come out and say "Oh, but muslims are evil! Death to all of them! God Bless America!?!" Wake up and chill guys muslims don't go kill random people. They are just like you christians and some of them just cracked up!) Anyways I just suggest you do your own combination. No religion is really complete if you don't mix it with something else.

If a person comes to the conclusion that the existence of god is irrelivant, does that make them Agnostic or Atheist.

At 3/4/04 05:18 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: If a person comes to the conclusion that the existence of god is irrelivant, does that make them Agnostic or Atheist.

Atheist, if they don't think there is anything out there