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At 12/2/09 07:43 PM, Eammy wrote:

At 12/2/09 05:09 PM, TomFulp wrote:
To respond to that less sarcastically...

These tablets are given to Newgrounds contributors who show great promise and of the people who show great promise, I do give priority to those who have actually involved themselves with NG over the past year because those are the people most likely to use the tablets.

When someone without any Flash asks for a tablet, giving them a tablet is not going to make them suddenly have a passion for Flash.

When you give priority and give praise/ rewards towards those who engage in the Newgrounds community, it means that those people are more likely to create even better works for your site.

Well, yes and no. It means that they're more likely to create even better works for themselves, after they've already demonstrated what they can do here.

Newgrounds has always encouraged growth within its community, because that's what a good community does. If the artists who submit here then use Newgrounds' giveaways as a tool to promote further work here, then that's obviously a non-binding quid pro quo. It doesn't stop them using those rewards for other ventures.

At 12/2/09 06:23 PM, liljim wrote:

YEAH! Why should you be any part of anything on, or enthusiastic for Newgrounds in any way, to win a tablet from Newgrounds?!?!?!?! What kinda of sense does that make?

I couldn't care less about whether I gain a tablet or not. However, from what you just said, I can safely say that 'winning' requires me to become part of a community to deserve it. Obviously, this is a very selfish way of thinking, because the main goal here is to expand Newgrounds, under a facade of helping individuals grow.

No, the main goal here is to give tablets to those who have demonstrated that they have talent on Newgrounds and who have showcased their talent on Newgrounds. Are you suggesting that this kind of giveaway should be a lottery?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging community members to continue to contribute to said community by offering incentives to do so. And I really don't understand why this would bother you, if you "Couldn't care less about I [you] getting a tablet or not".

As for the "facade of helping individuals grow" comment. You're clearly unaware of just how many people Newgrounds has helped grow in and outside of the site in the past. I could write up a big list, but I'll give one example:

David Firth. He uploaded Scribbler first, which at the time, I hadn't seen. He then submitted Salad Fingers, which went largely un-noticed through the latest submissions list in the portal. I saw it, and front paged it, and it was a kinda runaway hit cult animation.

Since then, he's done a bunch more animations he's submitted to NG. All of that was without any incentives, like Wacom giveaways. The only incentive he had was that people liked his work.

Furthermore, Firth has gone on to do animations for the BBC here in the UK, amongst other endeavours.

Would that have happened without the exposure he'd gotten here on NG? Who knows.

Possibly, possibly not.

But the fact of the matter is that this is the place where he first got the springboard into the public domain. And I can't speak for him, but I'd guess that he would give some modicum of what he's achieved as being down to that initial (and continual) exposure that Newgrounds gives him.

Getting all wound up over something you don't care about really bewilders me, even if you think it's all a "facade". In fact, that makes even less sense to me.

At 12/2/09 07:43 PM, Eammy wrote: I couldn't care less about whether I gain a tablet or not. However, from what you just said, I can safely say that 'winning' requires me to become part of a community to deserve it. Obviously, this is a very selfish way of thinking, because the main goal here is to expand Newgrounds, under a facade of helping individuals grow.

If I wanted to use the tablets as a tool to expand NG, I could find artists on other websites and offer them Wacom tablets in return for them participating in NG.

We're giving tablets to people who are already here and participating, so they can continue to grow as artists and as a way of saying thanks. It helps the existing community get better, and yes, it makes NG better as a whole. You can try to find the negative in every act anyone ever does for the rest of your life, but it's not going to stop people from trying to do good things. I understand that giving people tablets will in the long-term make NG a better place, but that doesn't make it selfish to give people tablets.

You are going to have a very difficult life if these are the issues that bother you.

At 12/2/09 09:16 PM, Mexifry wrote:

At 12/2/09 09:12 PM, TomFulp wrote: You are going to have a very difficult life if these are the issues that bother you.

Well put.

I already regret saying it because it wasn't a necessary part of the debate. Oh well I guess it makes NG more entertaining at the end of the day.

At 12/2/09 09:25 PM, Fawx wrote: a tablet

needs

to go to this man

http://fede1920.newgrounds.com/

Don't think he's contacted me but I PMed him to see what's up!

At 12/2/09 09:48 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 12/2/09 04:15 PM, TomFulp wrote: This year I'm gonna be pro-active and announce something NOW, since by the time February rolls along I'll probably be brain-caged by the SPECIAL OPS PROJECT I've been training for. Now we ALL have something to be excited about!

is that what I think it is with whatshisname using whatsthatshit?

I'm also jogging three miles a day to build proper stamina and avoid burnout.

At 12/2/09 09:46 PM, Eammy wrote: The reason why I am bothered is because I feel there is a sense of bias towards devoted members. Tom said himself that he likes giving tablets to those who have gotten crotch-deep into NG. I think that is the wrong train of thought...

In defense of that statement, I said, "I really like giving Wacom tablets to people who have gotten crotch-deep into NG.", I didn't say "I only give Wacom tablets to people who have gotten crotch-deep into NG."

In general I like seeing people participate in the full NG experience. It's one thing to come here and watch stuff, it's another to come here and submit something... But it's something much much greater when you actually start collaborating with the people you meet on NG. On one level it might be as part of a big collab, but I get most excited when I see an animator team up with a writer and a voice actor (or any other similar combination). It makes me feel good because it means that creation, that partnership and that potentially life-long friendship exists because those people met here on NG and decided to make something together. That's NG at it's best.

So while I don't only give Wacoms to those people, I do like it when I get to give them Wacoms.

At 12/2/09 10:42 PM, Luis wrote: i think the real question is what does newgrounds' crotch smell like?

The combined crotches of everyone on the forums.

At 12/3/09 08:30 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Please tell me its an online versioning system for flash and content collaboration.

:)