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Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 04:00 AM Reply

My friend just sent me this, and I am still partially mind-fucked, so here ya' go...

Can god create a rock that he can not lift?

In before some athiest troll blurts "lolololol no he cant because god dont exist, loololol
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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 04:05 AM Reply

Only at face-value is it a paradox.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 04:09 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 04:05 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Only at face-value is it a paradox.

What he said.

And to answer the question, no, because in most modernized religion 'God' is all powerful, omnipotent, and all that other bullshit that contributes to the fact that he can do pretty much anything.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 04:14 AM Reply

I don't mean God as in Christian God, I mean any culture's idea of an "almighty creator", or something of that context.

But, first poster, it is only skin-deep. It's not like the Barbershop Parodox or anything.
Although, the person that sent me this IS a highly religious person, so that has to mean something.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 07:21 AM Reply

I imagine God could create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, but by the same virtue, he can also destroy it without the need to lift it.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 07:26 AM Reply

That's more of an omnipotent paradox.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 07:28 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 04:09 AM, Enhance wrote:
At 11/26/09 04:05 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Only at face-value is it a paradox.
What he said.

And to answer the question, no, because in most modernized religion 'God' is all powerful, omnipotent, and all that other bullshit that contributes to the fact that he can do pretty much anything.

The point is if god can't lift it he's not omnipotent, if he can then he failed to create a rock that he couldn't lift meaning he's not omnipotent. Therefore, omnipotence is impossible.

This is a pretty old one though I'm surprized you're just now hearing this one.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 07:54 AM Reply

Major mindfuck if you think about it.

We cant really answer this one till god shows his face from the heavens and tries it out in front of a crowd of extremely honest people, or the biggest naysayers on the block.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 08:12 AM Reply

God being all powerful doesn't mean hes a body builder.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 08:57 AM Reply

there is only one paradox... and that happens when you do this...

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 09:53 AM Reply

I much prefer a different paradox. Which is basically, if God is perfect and omnipotent, than how come his creations (satan), could fail? Additionally, if we are all made in his image, and we are far from perfect, than how can he be?

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 09:54 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 04:00 AM, EmoPinata wrote: My friend just sent me this, and I am still partially mind-fucked, so here ya' go...

Can god create a rock that he can not lift?

no, he can't because he can't do everything (providing he exists).

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 09:56 AM Reply

God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 09:58 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 09:56 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.

If god is supposed to be omnipotent then there is a paradox.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 09:59 AM Reply

Sure he can, but why would he?


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:01 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 09:58 AM, chiefindomer wrote:
At 11/26/09 09:56 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.
If god is supposed to be omnipotent then there is a paradox.

How? He can create a rock he can't lift, then later choose to attain the ability to lift it.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:07 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:01 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote:
At 11/26/09 09:58 AM, chiefindomer wrote:
At 11/26/09 09:56 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.
If god is supposed to be omnipotent then there is a paradox.
How? He can create a rock he can't lift, then later choose to attain the ability to lift it.

That would still mean that at the moment he created a rock he couldn't lift he would not be omnipotent.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:09 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:01 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote:
At 11/26/09 09:58 AM, chiefindomer wrote:
At 11/26/09 09:56 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.
If god is supposed to be omnipotent then there is a paradox.
How? He can create a rock he can't lift, then later choose to attain the ability to lift it.

Also, once he was able to lift it that would mean he failed to create a rock he couldn't lift.

sorry for the double post.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:17 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:07 AM, chiefindomer wrote: That would still mean that at the moment he created a rock he couldn't lift he would not be omnipotent.

Logically speaking, yes. But since God is omnipotent he can defy logic.

Also, once he was able to lift it that would mean he failed to create a rock he couldn't lift.

No, because he succeeded in the creation of the rock he couldn't lift, but can also gain the ability to lift it at any time.

sorry for the double post.

It's okay.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:18 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 09:53 AM, slayer1029 wrote: I much prefer a different paradox. Which is basically, if God is perfect and omnipotent, than how come his creations (satan), could fail? Additionally, if we are all made in his image, and we are far from perfect, than how can he be?

because we can't be as awesome as god. it's impossible. just having a physical bosy makes us imperfect. hell, you could be the smartest most perfect man in the world. your still going to die.

satan was another thing, baslic he was created so perfect that he got corrupt. I could explain it... but I don't feel like it.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:24 AM Reply

Can god roll a joint of which is too strong for him? Can god create a mountain of cocaine in which he can not snort? All of these questions will remain unanswered.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:27 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:17 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote:
At 11/26/09 10:07 AM, chiefindomer wrote: Also, once he was able to lift it that would mean he failed to create a rock he couldn't lift.
No, because he succeeded in the creation of the rock he couldn't lift, but can also gain the ability to lift it at any time.

Then can you really say that he couldn't lift it while knowing that at any moment he could make himself lift it if he wants to.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:32 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 09:53 AM, slayer1029 wrote: I much prefer a different paradox. Which is basically, if God is perfect and omnipotent, than how come his creations (satan), could fail?

They don't, they only fail in your views. Satan is a mere opposite of God, and just like everything, even HE has an opposite.

Additionally, if we are all made in his image, and we are far from perfect, than how can he be?

Because He gave us free will. If we want to be perfect, we should strive to be.

And yes, God could make a boulder he couldn't lift, but he can still alter it in any other way.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:38 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:27 AM, chiefindomer wrote: Then can you really say that he couldn't lift it while knowing that at any moment he could make himself lift it if he wants to.

You can because he can't lift it until he chooses to gain that ability, which until that time he can't lift. This defies logic, but God's no friend of logic, as you can find out easily by reading the bible. I'll admit it depends on context because as a religious question it is entirely possible, but as a rational question it is entirely impossible.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:53 AM Reply

A better paradox with the same end is the Immovable Object/Unstoppable Force paradox. It basically states that if God is omnipotent, he can create an immovable object, and an unstoppable force. However, if he creates these, what happens if they collide?


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 10:54 AM Reply

This is so old-- and no, I am not religious.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 11:01 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 10:38 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote:
At 11/26/09 10:27 AM, chiefindomer wrote: Then can you really say that he couldn't lift it while knowing that at any moment he could make himself lift it if he wants to.
You can because he can't lift it until he chooses to gain that ability, which until that time he can't lift.

As long as it's in god's power to do something I wouldn't say god can't do it. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 11:08 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 11:01 AM, chiefindomer wrote: We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

How about we just agree that this question will never be answered unless you ask God Himself.

which is very unlikely because there's an 80% chance we're all going to Hell.

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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 11:16 AM Reply

At 11/26/09 09:56 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: God can create anything without exception, therefore there is no paradox.

Yeah, so he can make it, we just can't understand how it would work.


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Response to Some-What Religious Parodox Nov. 26th, 2009 @ 11:32 AM Reply

I've heard that "Could god create a __ that he himself could not __?" bullshit many times before. And yours is shit.

Best one I heard was "Could god create a crack rock so big that he himself could not smoke?"


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