Women's Role in the U.S. Military

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

I signed up for the United States Marine Corps, and Ship out Aug 20th.
I'll be going into Artillery(Think about cannons, Now think about them being really bad ass and accurate), until I can be a pilot, but if I wanted to, I can switch over to Infantry and Fight like a Maniac.
My Friend Amanda however, who signed up before I did and is infact getting credit for me joining up(damnit), Will never be allowed to Engadge in Combat situations. Like The Infantry.
I know That she's Kick ass and be ballzier than alot of the guys out there.
Is that right to base that shit strictly because she's a woman?
I know the last thing the Public Relations people at the Military want is a G.I. Jane K.I.A., but still.
Its fucked up
What do you think about it all? Should Women be allowed to Fight in the Infantry next to the men, or should they Only be allowed to go as close as the nearest base?

[lapslf]

I think nobody should join the army, especially not the US army. Why do you want to shoot people for your corrupt president's benifits?

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

At 2/27/04 03:13 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: I think nobody should join the army, especially not the US army. Why do you want to shoot people for your corrupt president's benifits?

First off, Its the Marines, not the Army.
Secondly, I fight For My cause, Not their cause. In a small town, you've got 5 choices.
1) Be a fuckin genius and get Scholarships to college
2) Be a fucking Football star and get a Scholarship to college
3) Join the military
4) work at a fastfood resteraunt your entire life
6)Start selling drugs.

Atleast the military Gives me Money,Shelter, Free Medical and dental, and Retirement.
as well as a pilots license for free

[lapslf]

At 2/27/04 03:17 PM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote: First off, Its the Marines, not the Army.

Whatever.

Secondly, I fight For My cause, Not their cause. In a small town, you've got 5 choices.
1) Be a fuckin genius and get Scholarships to college
2) Be a fucking Football star and get a Scholarship to college
3) Join the military
4) work at a fastfood resteraunt your entire life
6)Start selling drugs.

Atleast the military Gives me Money,Shelter, Free Medical and dental, and Retirement.
as well as a pilots license for free

Ah, now I see how the US gets such a huge army. At least we get a gauranteed scholarship in my country and a free public transport card mwuahahahaha. So in a way, you guys are actually being forced to join the military.

Oh and you will fight for their cause, not yours. You have to obey their orders or you'll get kicked out.

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

I'm Proud to be an American. and if that means in order to be taken care of, I have to fight besides other Americans for a Cause I dont understand, Then so be it.
I'll find my own cause once I get there. I'll follow their orders, for my own reasons.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/27/04 03:17 PM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote: First off, Its the Marines, not the Army.

What's the differrence. Both have gund, both ordered to shoot people by politicians...

Secondly, I fight For My cause, Not their cause.

And I assume that if you disagreed with a position the Government adopted by which they sent you into war, then you wouldn't be forced to go to war, no?

In a small town, you've got 5 choices.

You are aware you went 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 aren't you?

[TheWakingDeath]

At 2/27/04 06:07 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

What's the differrence. Both have gund, both ordered to shoot people by politicians...

the marines are an amphibious expeditionary force, about 100,000 members strong. they are far better trained than the army. the army tends to be the cheif occupying force in military operations and are sent in to do the bulk of the fighting. the marines are more often sent into special operations.

back to phoenix's question about allowing women to enter into the Combat MOS's, yes, if the women are qualified then they should do so, certainly in the marines, the only branch where the women's basic training is identical to the men's.
of course, the first woman to get killed will be "ultimate proof" that no women can fight and they should all be barred from combat. watch the damn media have a feild day with that. (BTW G.I. Jane wasn't a G.I.)
me? i'm joining the corp after i get my bachelors, heheheh, i've got me a scholarship that'll last me that long. i'll use the money in the marines for my masters. sure, they treat you like shit, and you have to take orders, but you learn to survive and you learn to fight, and no where but the marines will you get the same training.
just keep your head about you and always know what you're about first, only let them think they've broken you. do what they say, but don't become a "zipper head."

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

At 2/27/04 06:07 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/27/04 03:17 PM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote: First off, Its the Marines, not the Army.

What's the differrence. Both have gund, both ordered to shoot people by politicians...

The Army are all the people without brains that want to go fight for "Their country".
The marines are the other people, that know if they are going to go to war, they want to be Well prepared for it.

Secondly, I fight For My cause, Not their cause.

And I assume that if you disagreed with a position the Government adopted by which they sent you into war, then you wouldn't be forced to go to war, no?

Getting a Steady Job with retirement benefits and Medical and Dental Benefits doesn't have a whole lot to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda

In a small town, you've got 5 choices.

You are aware you went 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 aren't you?

I noticed after I posted it, but I didn't think that clicking back, changing it, and then going forward would leave me 2 post threads.
My bad with the typo, I'll work to aspire to the perfection you Demand.

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

So am I in the presence of a Future Officer? *stands at attention*

Lol. After i get into the Corps i'm going to get my Bachelors, Become an Officer, and then get my Pilot's career on track.

The Military almost makes your Future too sweet of a deal to pass on

[ReddSky]

I think the us marines is worse, from what I know they follow the presidents orders, not the congress. Apparently they're also usually the first on the battlefield, opening the way for the army.

In a pull-trigger war, women are just as good (theoretically better) than men. Its all just a bunch of sexists trying to put women back into the kitchen.

I think the governments moving to kick women completley out of the army again (they probably cant but they'll get close). Like that story of the female soldier rescued from an iraqi hospital. Apparently the "evil inhuman" iraquis were toturing people in the hospital, the rescued soldier apparently got some kind of beauty contest rigged for and a year or so later they "found out" that they raped her too. Since then people have been wanting to "keep our women out of harm's way". I just read this out of the news paper so there not really any evidence I have to back up with, but im sure alot of you have heard about that on the news.

[mentalis]

When it comes to fighting in combat, I say let the women fight. They are much more ruthless than men will ever be. In nature, the female is the most aggressive, so why not in the human world.

[lapslf]

At 2/28/04 09:14 AM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote:

And I assume that if you disagreed with a position the Government adopted by which they sent you into war, then you wouldn't be forced to go to war, no?

Getting a Steady Job with retirement benefits and Medical and Dental Benefits doesn't have a whole lot to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda

My god, excuse me, but how ignorant are you? Where do you think your orders come from? Perhaps from you government? Yeah, you get some benifits I think you should get without joining the stupid army (oh, excuse me, "marines"), but you are still sent to war for the cause of your government. So what does it have to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda? Everything.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/28/04 09:14 AM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote: Getting a Steady Job with retirement benefits and Medical and Dental Benefits doesn't have a whole lot to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda

But you will be sent into war, for their cause, one day, wont you?

[CapitalistSocialist]

Cooking and Cleaning. LOL

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

At 2/28/04 10:44 AM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 2/28/04 09:14 AM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote:

And I assume that if you disagreed with a position the Government adopted by which they sent you into war, then you wouldn't be forced to go to war, no?

Getting a Steady Job with retirement benefits and Medical and Dental Benefits doesn't have a whole lot to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda

My god, excuse me, but how ignorant are you? Where do you think your orders come from? Perhaps from you government? Yeah, you get some benifits I think you should get without joining the stupid army (oh, excuse me, "marines"), but you are still sent to war for the cause of your government. So what does it have to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda? Everything.

Just because We're sent to war, doesn't mean we have to adopt the beliefes of whatever Government order is making us carry out. We do what we do, because we're told to do it. thats our job.
If you have a job, and your boss tells you to take out the trash and clean the windows and mop the floor.
His goal is to get the store sparkly clean. But you do it because you get paid to do it, because thats your job. Not because you share in the belief of a "shiny clean fast food resteraunt"

[TheWakingDeath]

At 2/28/04 10:44 AM, Veggiemeal wrote:

My god, excuse me, but how ignorant are you? Where do you think your orders come from? Perhaps from you government? Yeah, you get some benifits I think you should get without joining the stupid army (oh, excuse me, "marines"), but you are still sent to war for the cause of your government. So what does it have to do with the Bush Administrations Governmental Agenda? Everything.

so right now you may not agree with the bush administration, but he's only president for four more years at the most. if it weren't for people willing to join the armed services in america we'd all be speaking german. the point is, it's not the weapon that's dangerour, it's the person controlling it. not every president of the U.S. is the spawn of satan and not EVERY goddamn thing they do is to undermine world peace and pad their wallet(ok, so maybe i'm wrong about the latter, but that isn't the ONLY reason)

whether you agree with someone or not, you have to respect someone who is willing to die for you. you can say other wise, but somehow i think, that if the world got thrown into another global war, you'd be thankful we have a force to defend us, even if sometimes they are forced to take orders from corrupt leaders.

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

Fuckin A!
what izuamoto Said!!

[stafffighter]

Somehow its still in the human condition to think that a woman dieing in combat would be more tragic than the same happening to a man. But the truth is that when you reach the fundimentals a life is a life.

[THE-HULKSTER]

My father fought in the Vietnam war not because he wanted to "fight for a corrupt president" or even do it for himself, he was drafted.
And even after he came back, worthless liberal shitheads like Veggiemeal spit in his face and called him a baby murderer.
Most liberals think it's alright to blame the pieces instead of the player....

[RydiaLockheart]

Women are generally the nurturing caretakers, so a lot of men have a problem with the idea of women trained to kill. It goes against everything they've been taught. Or at least, that's what the ROTC cadet from my sociology class told the class.

I don't see why women shouldn't fight and die for their country. Physically, they may be weaker than men, but you can just have them fire missiles.

[Phoenix-Guitarist]

A life Given for the country, should be a live given for the country.
A guy grows up in a small town with the dreams of being a United states Soldier and Getting medals and honors and dieing for his country.
Goes to War, and gets killed.

A Lady grows up in the city, Decides that She wants to Prove Daddy wrong by going into the Army. She wants nothing more than to prove to everyone that she's just as good as they are.
Goes to war, Takes a motar in the chest and Dies.

Did Either of them give More for their country? Were either of them fighting for their Corrupt president?

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/29/04 02:05 AM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote: Did Either of them give More for their country? Were either of them fighting for their Corrupt president?

Probably not really. both of them would have been fighting for a corrupt president though, it depends if the Republicans were in power.

[The-Darklands]

womens role in the military - to cook

ahahahaha (yea someone had to say it)

[The-Darklands]

At 2/27/04 03:17 PM, Phoenix_Guitarist wrote:

Secondly, I fight For My cause, Not their cause. In a small town, you've got 5 choices.
1) Be a fuckin genius and get Scholarships to college
2) Be a fucking Football star and get a Scholarship to college
3) Join the military
4) work at a fastfood resteraunt your entire life
6)Start selling drugs.

hes missing 5 thats the number of man...no scholarship for you
btw is your cause to get paid? becuase its not as important for fighting for whats right...

[The-Darklands]

At 2/29/04 05:55 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Probably not really. both of them would have been fighting for a corrupt president though, it depends if the Republicans were in power.

yea i could imagine that one would imagine that but we havent had a good president for a long time dems or repubs, both oportunistic bullshit artists, bumcheekcity...is there still room on that island because i found it cool when i went

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/29/04 06:01 AM, miket311 wrote: bumcheekcity...is there still room on that island because i found it cool when i went

On the UK? Yeah, of course. You will have to put up wth the Tories though, and Tony Blair... But you're more thanw elcome here. *Extends official invitation*

[The-Darklands]

At 2/29/04 06:18 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

On the UK? Yeah, of course. You will have to put up wth the Tories though, and Tony Blair... But you're more thanw elcome here. *Extends official invitation*

sweet im coming over after college, the saps pay for it all here...