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I didn't shoot any civilians because I am a good boy.

I fired before the terrorists.

At 11/11/09 06:00 PM, bobobo22 wrote: questioning whether or not the attack on america was right.

Considering that the Russians were fooled into believing that the American was the mastermind rather than just a spy trying to bring out the true ringleader, I'd say it was wrong. My question is how in the hell we got caught by surprised and what's going to happen to those U.S Army Rangers (My favorite characters) in the next game.

At 11/11/09 10:02 PM, akmeteor wrote: I fired before the terrorists.

Haha me too, it felt so good

At 11/11/09 10:10 PM, animehater wrote:

At 11/11/09 06:00 PM, bobobo22 wrote: questioning whether or not the attack on america was right.

Considering that the Russians were fooled into believing that the American was the mastermind rather than just a spy trying to bring out the true ringleader, I'd say it was wrong. My question is how in the hell we got caught by surprised and what's going to happen to those U.S Army Rangers (My favorite characters) in the next game.

I think its happy ending after sheperds death etc, but as for caught off guard didnt they use a modelue or something (the acs? which sheperd had) i think thats how they managed to do it.

What shocked me was how I imagined what it would be like to be one of those civilians. It's just a simple peaceful day, and all of a sudden dozens of people get mowed down and people start fleeing for their lives. The audio amped up the realism. The people's screams of hysteria and shock were very believable.

More than that level though, the burning of Roach and Ghost pained me more to see, and even more than that, the simple invasion of America was pretty chilling. I always imagine America as an impenetrable land, an all powerful and invincible country protected from the rest of the world from the vast oceans. But all of a sudden, the Russians somehow launch their whole fleet to the east coast. Thank god it's not the west coast haha.

had no problem, because all they where where multiple colored pixels in the shape of civilians, and all my gun was a another bunch of pixels in the shape of a lmg. But, if I where to do something like that in real life, I couldn't

The most powerful way to convey the true horror of what these terrorists are doing is to put you in the shoes of one killing innocents. Even in a video game, many people have been faced with a difficult moral argument within them while playing through the level.

Even virtually, people can find terrorism horrifying and sickening. Even if the people you kill aren't real, it's just horrible to kill such innocent AI. People on the internet have made fun of 9/11 several a time. Infinity Ward bravely brought the message to the public that terrorism is NOT a laughing manner. Hundreds, even thousands of innocent unarmed citizens have been killed in terrorist attacks, and Modern Warfare gives the player the option to play through the harsh reality.

I suggest you play through the level. Though it may be difficult on your heart, it conveys the story in a more effectively powerful way than I've seen any game do.

As bad as I felt after the mission, I admit it was almost fun. I have no idea why.

I direct impacted somebody crawling away with a M203. Then T-Bed him, that may be why, actually.

At 11/11/09 11:31 PM, Grubby wrote: invasion of America was pretty chilling. I always imagine America as an impenetrable land, an all powerful and invincible country protected from the rest of the world from the vast oceans. But all of a sudden, the Russians somehow launch their whole fleet to the east coast. Thank god it's not the west coast haha.

While this was fun and all, I thought it was incredibly unrealistic that a country could get a whole army on to the main land of the United States. Not even to mention D.C.

It's plausible that after a large defensive battle an army could eventually push into the U.S. but the Russians essentially rolled on in. I don't think that's how a country, especially Russia would retaliate either. Ahh, who knows?

Then again, It's just a video game.

One of the things that really got to me was how you were just walking. Running turns it into a video game, running, crouching, aiming, thinking tactics, hiding behind cover. This was just walking and shooting crowds....

A very interesting level, IMO.

At 11/11/09 11:31 PM, Grubby wrote: Thank god it's not the west coast haha.

If it helps you sleep at night, look at a globe and measure the distance between california and eastern russia, then take a look at the distance between western russia and the east coast of the USA ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Oce an_Fleet_%28Russia%29

That was fun as hell. Just a virtual game though.

At 11/12/09 08:17 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote:

At 11/11/09 11:31 PM, Grubby wrote: invasion of America was pretty chilling. I always imagine America as an impenetrable land, an all powerful and invincible country protected from the rest of the world from the vast oceans. But all of a sudden, the Russians somehow launch their whole fleet to the east coast. Thank god it's not the west coast haha.

While this was fun and all, I thought it was incredibly unrealistic that a country could get a whole army on to the main land of the United States. Not even to mention D.C.

It's plausible that after a large defensive battle an army could eventually push into the U.S. but the Russians essentially rolled on in. I don't think that's how a country, especially Russia would retaliate either. Ahh, who knows?

Then again, It's just a video game.

Well the only way the Russian succeeded in launching a surprise attack was because Sheperd was planning this invasion in the first place. The Russians hacked the ACS module? Some sort of U.S central command, and were able to control U.S Predator Drones, sneak under radar, and divert past America's heavy defenses.

I was pretty unconvinced still.

More than that, the anti-air defenses in D.C. got me thinking about what sort of air defenses America has in case of a true aerial invasion. I don't really see any anti-aircraft turrets or guns in my suburban city. I guess air defense is primarily a role that our super powerful fighters take care of.

In South Korea, you see military fortifications blending in with normal peacetime life. I saw guard towers on the countryside roadways near the DMZ (my grandpa lives in a farm right across the road from an MP station, almost got caught holding an M16 BB gun that looks real) and emergency loudspeakers integrated in Seoul, the capital city. I wonder what kind of defenses America has in case of war.

At first I was doing a moderate amount of shooting, nowhere near as much as the AI, though. After a bit though it started to get pretty disturbing and i was just finishing off wounded ones, killing the cops wasn't really an issue for me though, since they were shooting back and all.

I thought the level was great, executed well and all that

i killed loads :P

I didn't have it in me to mow down all those civilians. The only people I shot in that level were the wounded ones that the terrorists didn't finish off, and the cops/military.

I wasn't exactly clear on whether or not this was in Russia or America, because a lot of the signs were in English.
Were they in the Zakhaev Memorial Airport?

Oh, and killing unreal people in a fake airport during a made-up war doesn't bother me.

I enjoyed it fully, but understand why some people may be offended by it.

Did anyone else specifically hunt down civilians?

At 11/12/09 11:33 PM, Robotchk12 wrote: I wasn't exactly clear on whether or not this was in Russia or America, because a lot of the signs were in English.
Were they in the Zakhaev Memorial Airport?

Oh, and killing unreal people in a fake airport during a made-up war doesn't bother me.

You were briefed that this takes place in Moscow, Russia. There's freaking Russian flags up there, and the people looked more Russian that American. Plus the FSB attacked you, Makarov said "No Russian", and the whole Russian U.S war started because Allen's body.

Haven't you noticed by now?

Also it's an international airport so there's lots of English.

It was one of my favorite missions, I played it three times. I felt kinda creepy or something the first time for enjoying it so much, but then remembered I basically do the same thing in Grand theft auto.

I'm more dumbfounded as to why people keep gobbling up this generic tripe year after year (yes there has been a COD game released every year since 2005).

Guilty pleasure. Disturbing really, that vision of them crawling on the floor with a blood trail behind them. For once I get to play as the bad guy...

...in an FPS of course.

Meh, the only time Russians were ever good at anything was in 1988's Ice Hockey for the NES.

I thoroughly enjoyed that mission, Blasting the fuck out of the civilians with a machine gun. Come to think of it, it's just like every GTA game ever made. But what some people don't realize, it shouldn't make them feel bad, because it is a simulation and that most people who play video games have the deep down lust for violence.

It wasn't pleasure, it was more awe at the concept of the level, I mean what a great idea....................................
..........okay fine i jizzed in my pants.

that game is epik winzorz

I felt abit bad but I didn't want to skip any levels.
Also at the end of this level does Joesph Allen get killed or something?
I'm really confused.

At 11/13/09 12:08 AM, Grubby wrote: You were briefed that this takes place in Moscow, Russia.

I wasn't really paying attention to that, as I didn't have my headphones on or looking at the screen.

Played it over and over again for an hour.

Came buckets.

I tried to imagine the situation like, if you were that guy who was undercover killing civillians, made me a bit uneasy. :(

I enjoyed it, to be honest. One of those guilty pleasures, I guess.