At 11/9/09 11:29 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:
Its the same damn thing in this case, the dogma of atheism is not believing in God, the definition of Atheism is not believing in God. Its the rule and the defining characteristic.
By this point it's already been made abundantly clear that the place doesn't indoctrinate children with atheism anyway.
They are not simply teaching them about science, they are encouraging them to think about science in a certain way to encourage certain ways to think.
Elaborate. You are making constant vague accusations and failing to specify exactly what the camp is trying to indoctrinate children with. I want to know.
...and offering the theoretical winner a £10 note autographed by Richard Dawkins. Is simply their way to make them agnostic at least, atheist at best, by comparing God to invisible unicorns.
The point is that the children would have no option but to come to the conclusion that it is impossible to disprove god (or to disprove anything that sets itself outside of human logic/understanding), which totally disproves your whole "they're trying to make kids think that science disproves god" nonsense.
The whole point of the place is to make them think of everything in a secular manner, and the closest thing to that is atheism. Making agnostics are just a partial win to that place.
Again, back up what you're saying. Preferably with evidence. All you've done throughout this whole debate is make assumptions regarding some sinister agenda that you believe the place has.
Its more of a secular philosophy lesson mixed with some science for a desired effect on young minds.
You actually have no idea what you're talking about. First you were saying that the camp wants to indoctrinate children into atheism and make them believe that science disproves god, and now that you've been shown that your accusations are complete nonsense (thanks to the link that you provided) you've resorted to vague soundbites like "a desired effect on young minds" while still failing to explain exactly what they're trying to do to these kids.
You sound like regular summer camps are part of some sort of pro-religion conspiracy.
That's interesting, since I didn't mention regular summer camps at all in my post. I was referring to regular, everyday society.