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At 11/9/09 11:46 AM, Sh0T-D0wN wrote: I've an idea everyone!

Let's all generalize whichever side we're not on, label them as "retarded", and fool ourselves into thinking that we're any better! We'll reinforce our own views by making the opposition seem stupid and worthless.

Oh wait, you're all already doing that.

What can I say, it's all we know. We are right becuase if we were wrong... well, that just can't happen. One side has God on their side, so they can't be wrong. The other side thinks that they are God... so they can't be wrong either.

Everyone wins.

People are gonna be annoyed when they realise that this particular installment of "christian camp" was actually something created for an episode of Law & Order...

At 11/9/09 11:28 AM, amaterasu wrote: The bottom line is, by stereotyping all religious as closed minded and uncaring individuals, you are making yourself no better than the zealots who believe stereotypes about all nonbelievers.

Nah. Nonbelievers are not necessarily collectively united by anything, as opposed to people of collective religions, who necessarily are.

How different is that from the racists, who have had a few bad experiences with [insert ethnicity] people in their lives and therefore accept all the stereotypes and prejudice, and make similar assertions? "All [insert ethnicity] are bad, screw 'em, my race is better.".

Totally disingenuous thing to say.

The religion of a person is not some inseparable, unconditional quality they are born with, as race is. There is always a choice for them to believe their bronze-age myths, or not, or believe other bronze-age myths. Furthermore the actions of a person have an intrinsic relationship with their beliefs, which often provide a motivational role, whereas race does not necessarily dictate anybody's actions; especially in such an exact, direct manner.

Utter stupidity.

What is actual utter stupidity is people like you failing to acknowledge that the actions of this camp are dictated by their belief in their religion. Instead, you constantly play the other side as the bad guy by playing the 'generalisations' card again and again, like that somehow absolves religion as the motivator for religious people's actions.

i remember seeing that documentary thats why im an athiest

Now for some shotgun action.
Seriously, when I see that, I feel bad for the future of this world.
Where's rational sense?

At 11/9/09 09:31 AM, Snatah wrote: Sometimes i think christianity may be worse then the islam.

Don't jump into any conclusions, they know how to brainwash children in the Middle East, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbJnZUJT YU

That being said, I do think that the Catholic church, for instance, does more evil in Africa than any other single religious institution of any faith or denomination in the world. Not that the others aren't trying, though.

At 11/9/09 09:31 AM, Snatah wrote: These camps must be banned.
Sometimes i think christianity may be worse then the islam.

All religion has its flaws tough.

Ehm that'd be:

Sometimes I think extremist Christians are worse more than extremist Muslims

Sometimes taking a religion to the extreme becomes a whole new religion in its self.

that is seriouslythe scariest thing i heve ever seen.
i also believe some war started in the last century with speeces like that.

At 11/9/09 09:31 AM, Snatah wrote: Sometimes i think christianity may be worse then the islam.

There is nothing wrong with religion at all. The only thing that's "wrong" with it is the nutjobs that use religion to justify their actions.

At 11/9/09 03:43 PM, 1Tyla1 wrote: There is nothing wrong with religion at all. The only thing that's "wrong" with it is the nutjobs that use religion to justify their actions.

The Holy Books of the three monotheistic religions are full of human sacrifice, executions for minor offenses and genocide. It's not just the people who "misuse" them, it's the teachings themselves that are dehumanizing, counterproductive, retarding and evil in the most profound meaning of the word. Monotheism implies that you owe your own life to a celestial tyrant. If you think there is nothing with being an eternal slave or wishing to be an eternal slave, I'm going to have to disagree.

At 11/9/09 03:43 PM, 1Tyla1 wrote: There is nothing wrong with religion at all. The only thing that's "wrong" with it is the nutjobs that use religion to justify their actions.

Which illustrates just how useless religion really is at keeping people in line, even though theists love to bark about how religion saves people from immorality and a life of sin and so on. The blatant failures of religion are self-evident.

Hey I'm a christian. What's up?

You guys JUST heard about Jesus Camp? Wake the fuck up.

At 11/9/09 09:16 AM, EvilerBowser1001 wrote: It's also from one of the most biased documentaries this side of Michael Moore.

I saw it, and it insulted my fucking intelligence.
It's like they don't even know what subtlety is.

It's freaky that kids are taught like that and all, but documentaries really shouldn't have horror movie sounding music if they want any credibility with me.

I completely agree. Jesus Camp was ridiculously biased. If these people knew they were being filmed in a documentary demonizing them they would have probably toned it down a little bit. And the music doesn't help elaborate the point in the slightest.

At 11/9/09 04:08 PM, GiantDouche wrote: If these people knew they were being filmed in a documentary demonizing them they would have probably toned it down a little bit.

How does that make them better people in any way at all? "Yeah, we brainwash schoolchildren, but ONLY when we don't know we're being filmed." It seems like you don't regret at all that they're indoctrinating vulnerable minds, you regret that they were caught doing so.

Yeah, that's from Jesus Camp and that is pretty scary stuff. Wasn't that woman fired or something? If not, she should be. This should not be a representation of all Christians, though. Most of them do not think things like Harry Potter or Pokemon are Satanic.

You people care way too much about this. Besides they all live in fortified camps and never venture outside anyway. Also this a good punishment for kids who break the law instead of putting them into jail.

this is why I tell people im from Canada.

Old movie is old.

Seriously, this has been out for a while. You need to get up with the times.

At 11/9/09 06:03 PM, ToddM wrote: You people care way too much about this. Besides they all live in fortified camps and never venture outside anyway. Also this a good punishment for kids who break the law instead of putting them into jail.

Except the kids involved aren't criminals. They are just regular children being routinely brainwashed into being slaves of religion.

Not all Christians are like this...

At 11/9/09 07:05 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

Except the kids involved aren't criminals. They are just regular children being routinely brainwashed into being slaves of religion.

Why do you care about this? It does not affect me and I continue on with my life by not paying attention to them.

At 11/9/09 07:09 PM, ToddM wrote: Why do you care about this? It does not affect me and I continue on with my life by not paying attention to them.

Because I care deeply about the truth, and I find it obscene that children are being raised to believe things that are completely untrue.

The fact that it doesn't affect me is irrelevant; there are lots of things in the world that don't affect me directly that are still worth caring about.

Not sure if anyone's said this, but these are Evangelical Christians. Terrible people. They are die-hard Christians and are truly corrupt.

Also; To the Europe people saying "only in america.. derp." Guess you better buy some extra vaseline when Muslims take over your government. ;o

They make the cristian race look wrong

At 11/9/09 07:15 PM, StuffyOne wrote: Not sure if anyone's said this, but these are Evangelical Christians. Terrible people. They are die-hard Christians and are truly corrupt.

Also; To the Europe people saying "only in america.. derp." Guess you better buy some extra vaseline when Muslims take over your government. ;o

Are they the ones giving gays the unknown satisfaction?

At 11/9/09 07:09 PM, ToddM wrote: Why do you care about this? It does not affect me and I continue on with my life by not paying attention to them.

These children are the voters of the future. They get to decide who is control of the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and the most potent army in the world.

At 11/9/09 07:17 PM, danicos wrote: They make the cristian race look wrong

Christianity is not a race.

At 11/9/09 07:07 PM, NGawesome wrote: Not all Christians are like this...

Thayynk youuu!

The sad thing is this kind of education is the only kind available for many children in the middle east (the islamic variety). some religions just need to chill the fuck out and preach love, community, and morality, like most do anyway.