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You know, that comes with an interesting question: would you marry if you knew you couldn't divorce later on?

At 2/27/04 01:04 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: You know, that comes with an interesting question: would you marry if you knew you couldn't divorce later on?

I wouldn't, and I dont think many people would. The marriage rate would drop loads.

At 2/27/04 01:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I wouldn't, and I dont think many people would. The marriage rate would drop loads.

Well, than at least the marriage would become more "sanctious".

At 2/27/04 01:34 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 2/27/04 01:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I wouldn't, and I dont think many people would. The marriage rate would drop loads.

Well, than at least the marriage would become more "sanctious".

But if, like me, you dont give a monkeys about how 'sanctious' it is, that's not a brilliant point.

I was being sarcastic.

At 2/27/04 01:04 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: You know, that comes with an interesting question: would you marry if you knew you couldn't divorce later on?

i would, but i would make damn sure that i was marrying the right woman.(as i would anyway)

At 2/27/04 03:20 AM, Fiend_Lore wrote: Religion. Gay marriages are against any religion i can think of. thats why

There are quite a few pagan groups that arn't against homosexuals but for some reason peope just dont want to recognize them as an actual religion as if believing in magic is more insane than believing in some all powerful god that will raise you from the dead so you can live forever in eternel happiness.

I think marriage should not be recognized by the government. If you REALLY want to have a lifetime bond with someone, sign a REAL legal contract. Marriage in this country today is a farce. It's "till death do us part" not "till death, or you cheat on me, or the excitement is gone, or we go broke, or we fight too much". The whole POINT is that you'll stay with them, even if they become a totally different person and kick the shit out of you everyday.

Protecting the sanctity of marriage is a crock. Marriage hasn't had any respect in this country since 1980.

At 2/26/04 05:11 PM, blueloa13 wrote: I am not gay.

Yes you are.

If i had sex with any man it would be a christian homophobe like you 70TA.

Hey homo, if you ever tried to come at me, I'd beat the shit out of you so bad that you would have to eat from a tube.

At 2/27/04 08:54 PM, 70TA wrote: Hey homo, if you ever tried to come at me, I'd beat the shit out of you so bad that you would have to eat from a tube.

For a "straight", you sure know how to talk dirty to a man....

At 2/27/04 08:54 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 2/26/04 05:11 PM, blueloa13 wrote: I am not gay.

Yes you are.

If i had sex with any man it would be a christian homophobe like you 70TA.

Hey homo, if you ever tried to come at me, I'd beat the shit out of you so bad that you would have to eat from a tube.

Who are you to tell someone that they are gay?

Well it looks like that big fat nasty carpet munchin cow Rosie O'Donnell got married. God, what a fat piece of shit. And of course she was flappin her fat gums about my leader. She sucks.

Clinton sure didn't mind fat bitches flapping their gums around him. Hell, he ruined a perfectly good dress because of it.....

Judge, about what u said earlier. sometimes a divorce is very necessary. i am a firm believer in true love lasting forever and all, but also there is a different kind of love. i love that is more temporary. this temporary love can last up to years and in that time ppl will get married. when they find out there love is a sham they shouldnt have to live together suffering. also, even if it is true love, if the person is like a wife beater or a drug addict, maybe even a murderer. the spouse should leave that person right away, no matter how strong the love is. no relationship is worth endangering you own life.

At 2/28/04 01:10 AM, crazydrunkenelf wrote: Judge, about what u said earlier. sometimes a divorce is very necessary. i am a firm believer in true love lasting forever and all, but also there is a different kind of love. i love that is more temporary. this temporary love can last up to years and in that time ppl will get married. when they find out there love is a sham they shouldnt have to live together suffering. also, even if it is true love, if the person is like a wife beater or a drug addict, maybe even a murderer. the spouse should leave that person right away, no matter how strong the love is. no relationship is worth endangering you own life.

So wait, you're saying there's TWO types of love.... Or maybe, there's LOVE, and then there's "Hey, I don't have anyone else, let's fuck and pretend to be in love that way we don't have to feel like failures for not fitting into the social mold". Obviously, the latter is BULLSHIT. If you are willing to DIE for someone, why aren't you willing to let THEM be the one to kill you? The point I'm trying to make here is that marriage is a LIFE ALTERING AND PERMANENT BOND. "Love" is not enough of a reason to get married. You need LOVE, and more important, TOLERANCE, FORGIVNESS, TRUST, FAITH, and CHARITY. Most people don't have these traits, and will NEVER find true love, because they are unworthy of it. In order to be truly loved, one must be willing to make those sacrifices, like letting your partner cheat, or backing down rather than getting in a huge fight. People today are much too selfish to do these things, but they get married anyway and have degraded the institution.

i gotta agree with drunkenelf on this one. yes, marriage is something that people take to lightly these days, and it should be held in higher respect. but divorce means that two people made a mistake. they shouldn't have to live with that mistake for the rest of their lives. divorce does not make anyone a bad person, nor does it mean that the two people didn't truly love eachother, and have all those qualities that judgefunk listed. i'll have you know that my mother is a saint, first of all. also, when my parents got divorced, it didn't mean that they didn't love eachother or posess the qualities judgefunk listed. they are both happily and successfully remarried. it means that they couldn't live with eachother's imperfections. noone is perfect in anyone's eyes, and imperfections start to get to people after time. if these character flaws are important enough, two people who love eachother a lot are unable to live with eachother. maybe they've already gotten married, because they truly do love eachother, before they start to realize that they can't live together. it just wouldn't work. love is a pretty complicated thing, and i'm not gonna try to explain it, because i certainly don't understand it. but it's not the only factor in a relationship. don't attack divorce because just because you don't understand it.

Damn lunchbx. what a back up!! Judge, i feel sorry for you if u really and truly believe what u are saying. u really think that the wellbeing and happiness of someone is comprimisable?? there is no way in hell i will suffer my entire life b/c of a wedding vow. if there is no happiness in a marrage then there is no marrage, regardless of what some piece of paper says. u have some pretty firm archaic beliefs.
ps
what really ticks me off is how u said u should give ur life to the one you love! i love my girlfriend dearly and truly, there aint no way i will let her kill me just for the fact i would give my life for her! i would give my life to protect her, not just b/c she wanted to kill me!

At 2/28/04 02:09 AM, crazydrunkenelf wrote: Damn lunchbx. what a back up!!

i gotchu. don't worry.

seriously, though, judge, i usually really enjoy reading what you have to say, whether i agree with it or not, but what you said earlier really just seems ignorant.

i guess i did go off a bit, tho, huh?

At 2/28/04 02:09 AM, crazydrunkenelf wrote: Damn lunchbx. what a back up!! Judge, i feel sorry for you if u really and truly believe what u are saying. u really think that the wellbeing and happiness of someone is comprimisable?? there is no way in hell i will suffer my entire life b/c of a wedding vow.

Use proper English, it makes your writing easier to read. Anyway, if there's no way in hell you're goin to 'suffer' because of your vow, then you wont make them, meaning you wont rush into a marriage, will you? It will be the Christian Bond for life that it was always meant to be. </sarcasm>

Anyway, the divorce point was: If you argue that Gays should not marry due to the 'sanctity' of marriage being lost, then you must then not allow people to divorce, because the 'sanctity' would be lost then, too.

At 2/27/04 11:14 PM, 70TA wrote: Well it looks like that big fat nasty carpet munchin cow Rosie O'Donnell got married. God, what a fat piece of shit. And of course she was flappin her fat gums about my leader. She sucks.

Actually, she eats out

Hey 70TA, could you give us some reasonable arguments about what it is exactly that you have against homosexuals? Please post a decent reply without the word "fag" in it.

PS. why don't I ever see you in the regulars lounge thread?

At 2/27/04 11:14 PM, 70TA wrote: Well it looks like that big fat nasty carpet munchin cow Rosie O'Donnell got married. God, what a fat piece of shit. And of course she was flappin her fat gums about my leader. She sucks.

So people shouldn't be able to get married because they're fat? How many fucking restrictions do you authoritarians want on marriage? Why is this even a controversy? Christian Fundementalists are always pressuring straight couples to get married before they start boning, but if a gay couple willingly wants to get married, it's a horrible, unthinkable travesty.

"The only reason my wife and I got married was because it was something gay people couldn't do!"
Steven Colbert

"The military, marriage... why do these gay people want to get into our worst institutions?"
The Onion

What pisses me off is the christian control over this country! The governemt is not supposed to tie into religion, period! I believe that the states should HAVE to marry gay ppl. if you want to have a religious wedding go to a preist. if u want a gay wedding go to a judge. why do ppl who dont believe in christianity have to suffer b/c "the man" does?

At 2/28/04 06:27 PM, crazydrunkenelf wrote: What pisses me off is the christian control over this country! The governemt is not supposed to tie into religion, period! I believe that the states should HAVE to marry gay ppl. if you want to have a religious wedding go to a preist. if u want a gay wedding go to a judge. why do ppl who dont believe in christianity have to suffer b/c "the man" does?

Well, it was founded by christians, so things like having "In God We Trust" on money and "one nation, under God" in the pledge is expected.

Christians also inslaved africans! just b/c it was founded by christians doesnt make it right. they totally contredict themselves when they said separation of church and state. they dont really seem to mean it by banning things b/c of religious beliefs.

At 2/28/04 06:41 PM, crazydrunkenelf wrote: Christians also inslaved africans! just b/c it was founded by christians doesnt make it right. they totally contredict themselves when they said separation of church and state. they dont really seem to mean it by banning things b/c of religious beliefs.

Contrary to what you think, I am against the whole Christian fundamentalism that our nation uses so often.

At 2/28/04 10:46 AM, Veggiemeal wrote:

Please post a decent reply without the word "fag" in it.

I didn't.

PS. why don't I ever see you in the regulars lounge thread?

Because I'm not on here as much as you, so I don't even bother checking that thread.

Setting all religious beliefs aside... do you believe that ppl have the right to be married if they are gay?? especially in a "free" country???

I beleve the amendment is only for protecting rights, not taking them away. Look at how well the last amendment that took our rights away stood up! Proibition is still going strong today, eh?

I am an atheist and a strong believer in keeping religion and state seperate. On that note there is no logical reason why there should be a ban on gay marrages.

Personally I don't see why people have a problem with gay people. What do they do to hurt/inhibit any other person in the world. Nothing. Now if gay people shot lazers out of their eyes at straight people, that would be a different story.

And as for the issue of religion, well living your life over something translated 100s of times over 1000 of years doesn't give you any right to judge anyone. Excpecially christianity: Jesus says to love all people.

Well, it was founded by christians, so things like having "In God We Trust" on money and "one nation, under God" in the pledge is expected.

actually, "in god we trust" wasn't placed on the dolar bill until the late nineteen-fifties. Congress voted for it as a way to "bring the nation together"