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Drakim

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Posted at: 11/4/09 05:07 PM

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Whenever I myself, or others for that matter, makes a topic about prayer, or post about prayer in one of the already existing topics of religion, it always goes the same route.

The first poster, typically an atheist, posts saying that prayer is bullshit, and has a link showing a study where it doesn't help. The first response he will get is that "you are stupid for thinking Christians treat prayer as an alternative to medicine". Basically, it's argued that prayer is merely talking to God, to make yourself spiritual calm or whatnot.

There might be some Christian who posts in the topic about how his grandma or best friend was healed after he prayed, but this is largely ignored by the wider newgrounds community. He is just an irrational Christian. Real Christians knows that prayer isn't a band aid. Yet, it seems that a large part of the US population DOES think healing though prayer works. It's not merely a small insane group, it's a large, if not the majority group, of US citizens.

I wanted to make a topic about this earlier, but I could already guess the responses! No no, I'm being unreasonable. Prayer isn't meant to be used as a tool of healing despite what the Bible says, everybody knows that, and legalize pot while you are at it. Well, screw you newgrounds community.

I'm putting this to the test: Here you go!
A little-noticed measure would put Christian Science healing sessions on the same footing as clinical medicine.

Now, I want to know. Is there anybody here with balls big enough to still be claiming that prayer is just some conversation tool with God? and nothing that any real serious Christian would use as healing? Because, as the link describes, healing though prayer is just about to become put on the same level as scientific medicine, should these politicans have it their way. I hope you do remember politicans, the people elected to do the peoples will?

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Posted at: 11/4/09 05:22 PM

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I say prayer doesn't help the sick or anything it all matter about what going on. But that doesn't mean in bullshit. If your son or daughter is dieing i don't see anything wrong with praying. It may not help but it feel good inside to do so.

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I think of praying as a last resort. You should never use it before medical supplies.

Here's a question: Does it work? Just because it's going to be used doesn't really mean it's successful. It could be a placebo affect that helped some people if it did.

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Any of us who have been to a church service have been told that "All things work for the glory of God". If we pray for something to happen, God may choose to answer our prayer and give us what we wish. Or, He may have something better planned.

In example; my mother has had back problems for over 20 years, requiring her to go to a chiropracter. We have had hundreds of people praying for her to be healed over the years, to no avail. We wondered why our prayers weren't being answered, until we found a wonderful chiro who has become a great family friend. I babysit her kids, and we frequently share Jesus with her. My mom says that if she gets saved, all the years of pain will be worth it. And, because we found her, we have told many of our friends about her which has grown her budding buisness.

Bottom line, God knows what He's doing. If He says no, it doesn't bother me because I know He has something better planned.


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i think the problem is that people put those who pray and those who would rather pray then give their child an epi-pen when their throat closes up, due to an allergic reaction, in the same group.

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Problem is that there are people who died because the family prays and does not get medical attention.

Otherwise I'm fine with it, a person who is in a hospital bed needs positive thoughts, prayer is that.


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Because prayer is retarded. Talking to the air isn't going to heal the large tumor in your intestines.

When I work at the hospital, I see a lot of people praying at bedsides, especially in the Intensive Care Unit and the oncology ward. I think it's stupid of them to do that, but the staff never interrupts them. Prayer makes them feel better about the fact that they can't do shit.


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I'm happy for all the responses guys, but I get the irking feeling that you aren't really reading the content of my post, as this topic isn't about the effectiveness of prayer.

The universe looks so complex that it must have been designed? Do you have some sort of complexity scale to measure this, or are you just going by gut feeling?


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So, a measure is being put though that would make insurance companies pay for faith healing? That is just sad, extremely sad


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At 11/4/09 05:39 PM, iloveTyler wrote:
We wondered why our prayers weren't being answered, until we found a wonderful chiro who has become a great family friend. I babysit her kids, and we frequently share Jesus with her. My mom says that if she gets saved, all the years of pain will be worth it. And, because we found her, we have told many of our friends about her which has grown her budding buisness.

So how is this related to prayer in any way, shape or form?
If you had known that person through your cocaine addiction, would you be preaching the virtues of cocaine to everyone? Boy if it wasn't for cocaine, your mom would have never been healed!

Bottom line, God knows what He's doing. If He says no, it doesn't bother me because I know He has something better planned.

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I don't see how praying should cost anyone money, let alone health insurance which other people pay into. If the religion wants to start some sort of religious health care insurance that people can buy into from that religion, that's fine, I don't see why tax payers should have to, and I don't see how this is entirely related to what you are saying either.

Prayer has its benefits, but that doesn't mean the state should be paying for it or encouraging it on any level.

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I don't think that prayer should be equated with actual medicine. It is fine if you want to pray for your well-being, but it is over the top if you want your doctor to give you spiritual care. It is not your doctor's responsibility to care for your spiritual practices, nor is it the government's responsibility to cover for it.

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I can't believe some of these people. I have to believe they're joking..

Prayer doesn't do anything for anyone, all it's good for is a morale boost.

My damn grandmother took a religious pilgrimage to some places in Europe. She had lupus in the lungs and then she came back and later, 'magically', the lupus was gone.

Yeah, it must have been God. BULLSHIT. People will attribute ANYTHING to whatever furthers their beliefs.

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At 11/4/09 10:10 PM, riemannSum wrote: I can't believe some of these people. I have to believe they're joking..

Prayer doesn't do anything for anyone, all it's good for is a morale boost.

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I didn't read the whole article, but I recall some guy named GllVideo (he has the most commented video on YouTube) who said there wasn't any statistical information supporting prayer. I would like to say that this article would probably be more reliable than he would be and I'm glad we're getting some positive outputs on prayer.

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At 11/5/09 10:50 AM, Ericho wrote: I didn't read the whole article, but I recall some guy named GllVideo (he has the most commented video on YouTube) who said there wasn't any statistical information supporting prayer. I would like to say that this article would probably be more reliable than he would be and I'm glad we're getting some positive outputs on prayer.

Did you read any part of the article? It doesn't say anything about the effectiveness of prayer, just that certain members of the senate are trying to get prayer paid for with taxpayer money.

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It's fun cause I recently read a psychological article on prayer in medical settings and it showed very clearly that prayer only hurt the patients becoming healthier. Dont be a douche, prayer is superstition and whether or not a lot of people like to use it it's still nonsense.


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I like how the thread went from the atheist being a asshole-ish jerk in the example to the topic starter going "Yeah! I agree!".


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How does prayer cost money anyway? I mean, dont people pray now, without it costing money?

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At 11/5/09 12:13 PM, Memorize wrote: I like how the thread went from the atheist being a asshole-ish jerk in the example to the topic starter going "Yeah! I agree!".

wut, where?

The universe looks so complex that it must have been designed? Do you have some sort of complexity scale to measure this, or are you just going by gut feeling?


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At 11/5/09 12:19 PM, MwnciHead wrote: How does prayer cost money anyway? I mean, dont people pray now, without it costing money?

No see, what they're talking about doing is hiring people to pray for sick patients. To be honest, if this goes through, I'd like to start up my own prayer healing business in the states, so I could be paid by insurance companies for having no qualifications and doing nothing.

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At 11/5/09 01:34 PM, Elfer wrote:
No see, what they're talking about doing is hiring people to pray for sick patients. To be honest, if this goes through, I'd like to start up my own prayer healing business in the states, so I could be paid by insurance companies for having no qualifications and doing nothing.

My praying service would be far superior to yours. We'd do the all-inclusive prayer deal:

Xenu, Jehovah, Satan, Allah, Jesus, Mary, Jupiter, Thor, Baal, Rah, Thot, Anubis, Mercury, Venus, Aphrodite, Zeus, FSM, Chuck Norris, Baast, Shiva, Bargglalage ( I just made him up but you can never be TOO prayed for ).

I think I'll also start selling some indulgences again. Don't want to be stuck in fucking limbo / purgatory, do you?


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At 11/5/09 02:13 PM, poxpower wrote: My praying service would be far superior to yours.

No homo pox. I will be issuing prayer healing licenses for official prayer healing of officialness. You aren't getting one.

The universe looks so complex that it must have been designed? Do you have some sort of complexity scale to measure this, or are you just going by gut feeling?


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No see, what they're talking about doing is hiring people to pray for sick patients.

sweet. i want my money to pay for some bezerk vikings filled with blood lust calling out to thor and odin... and some shaolin monks beating the crap out of each other... oh, and what about somesamurai warriors commiting seppuku... and if there is space some masai tribesman doing the jumpy chant thing they do... all that "praying" and "religious activity" would surely have 2 good outcomes. 1 - it would almost defenitly cure any ailment... and 2 - it would piss off the right wing christians that came up with this idea. you think i could get it on the NHS?

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At 11/5/09 12:13 PM, Memorize wrote: I like how the thread went from the atheist being a asshole-ish jerk in the example to the topic starter going "Yeah! I agree!".

I like how someone makes a generalization and doesn't read the thread.

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Prayer is good. Although I don't believe in it, I respect that you have faith.

I like the way you stand up for what your believe in :)

Just don't be a ph0ne. Don't turn faith into happiness directly. Although it can be a resultant, it is a totally different thing.

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At 11/5/09 12:19 PM, MwnciHead wrote: How does prayer cost money anyway? I mean, dont people pray now, without it costing money?

I don't recall prayer ever costing money, although I suppose those greedy fundamentalists would make you think otherwise. I pray all the time, and I don't have money involved in it. That shows off true humility in the eyes of God.

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At 11/6/09 10:10 AM, Ericho wrote:
At 11/5/09 12:19 PM, MwnciHead wrote: How does prayer cost money anyway? I mean, dont people pray now, without it costing money?
I don't recall prayer ever costing money, although I suppose those greedy fundamentalists would make you think otherwise. I pray all the time, and I don't have money involved in it. That shows off true humility in the eyes of God.

It's hardly a display of humility when you brag that your way of praying is better than the others.


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At 11/6/09 06:14 PM, Yorik wrote: It's hardly a display of humility when you brag that your way of praying is better than the others.

This. I love how these things turn out, where you brag about humility. Irony is my nectar.

Also, praying for cash isn't anything new; It's been around for a while.


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At 11/4/09 11:36 PM, Warforger wrote:
At 11/4/09 10:10 PM, riemannSum wrote: I can't believe some of these people. I have to believe they're joking..

Prayer doesn't do anything for anyone, all it's good for is a morale boost.
......You know when you get a disease you don't necessarily feel great.....

What the fuck does that mean?

You know when you run your heart doesn't necessarily slow down....

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