Religion?

[ClaudiaKitsune]

Sometimes I wonder what causes war. The only thing I believe is Religion. because people are so stubborn they try to believe in a higher power. For example, think of the many other religions there are in the world. Most customs are always wierd and not right to anyone else. Because they ALWAYS think their religion is right and is best. Its stupid how people cannot just help one another without having to fight against eachother for false believes. It's pretty rediculous imo. I do not mean any offense to this post what-so-ever. I just would like to know why people do this and for what cause

[halen1]

well, lets put this like this... religon USED to be good, but has failed us... it has good meaning but some asshole made it a contest on whose religion is better... but i try not to think or post anything like this... it is a silly topic

[ClaudiaKitsune]

Well normally yes. But I think a Forum is a good source for answers... atleast from the people actually serious enough to help me with my problem.

[awkward-silence]

At 11/4/09 03:55 PM, ClaudiaKitsune wrote: Sometimes I wonder what causes war. The only thing I believe is Religion...

Don't get me wrong. Religion has caused many wars, but don't forget resources. Wars over land, water, food, oil, etc. are also very popular. And you can't get your people to agree to go to war for resources, you can always through their religion or social structure on top of that and make it a moral war with a hidden agenda.

[ArmouredGRIFFON]

The wars of religion has introduced a spread of technology. Ever heard of the Quakers?

[Centurion-Ryan]

At 11/4/09 03:55 PM, ClaudiaKitsune wrote: Sometimes I wonder what causes war. The only thing I believe is Religion.

Tribal conflict?
Dispute over territory?
Ethnic cleansing?
A leader with a superiority complexes?
For loot?
For slaves?
For natural resources?

Wars between nations aren't caused by religion. Wars are almost always waged for one of two reasons; Practical reasons, and bigoted reasons.

An example of the former would be: "Hm. Our country doesn't have much of [resource], but I see [country] has a shitload of [resource]. Let's take over [country], and then their [resource] will be ours!"

As for the latter: "I say, look at those savage [different culture] over the hill, there. They sure do suck. Maybe we can help [different culture] become better by imposing our culture on them. It won't fix them completely, but it'll do some good, at least."

[darkrchaos]

I think they need to take away the books of religion. Because that's where they get the text to say it wrong or right. Why can't we have gay marriage because it in the bible. Take away the bible and no more annoying religious people bugging the world.

[MultiCanimefan]

People need to stop making a correlation between God and religion.

[Warningshot]

At 11/4/09 03:58 PM, halen1 wrote: well, lets put this like this... religon USED to be good

Untill any religion encountered another religion

[stafffighter]

At 11/4/09 05:37 PM, Warningshot wrote:

At 11/4/09 03:58 PM, halen1 wrote: well, lets put this like this... religon USED to be good

Untill any religion encountered another religion

Or a different language or ethnicity or whatever other notable difference can be made. People don't need religion to think they're the chosen ones.

[yurgenburgen]

Religion isn't the only reason people fight. People fight over money, land, etc. But nonetheless, religion causes a lot of bad shit. Not only do people go to war over "my god says this" and "my god says that", but religion causes people to genuinely believe that god is on their side, and that what they're fighting for is 'right' in the eyes of the lord.

[Warforger]

At 11/4/09 04:52 PM, darkrchaos wrote: I think they need to take away the books of religion. Because that's where they get the text to say it wrong or right. Why can't we have gay marriage because it in the bible. Take away the bible and no more annoying religious people bugging the world.

buuuuuuuuuuuuut the bible is the only good fantasy series!

[Proteas]

At 11/4/09 03:55 PM, ClaudiaKitsune wrote: It's pretty rediculous imo. I do not mean any offense to this post what-so-ever. I just would like to know why people do this and for what cause

Operation Iraqi Freedom; to date, 4,669 in Coalition losses, and about 1,033,000 Iraqi deaths because of increased turmoil in addition to military action. Total body count; 1,037,669 people.

Operation Enduring Freedom; 10,794 in Coalition losses, about 20,000 Afghan dead. Total body count; 30,794 people.

Operation Desert Fox; No U.S. Casualies, estimated 200 to 6000 Iraqis dead.

Operation Desert Storm; 1800 U.S. Casualties, 175,00 to 355,000 Iraqi deaths, total body count (just to be fair) about 218,000.

Rwandan Genocide; 800,000 to 1,000,000 people, I'm just going to say 900k to be fair.

Vietnam War; 285,831 total coalition casualties, 1,177,446 North Vietnamese casualties, 1,463,277 total.

Korean War; 474,000 total coalition casualties, 1,190,000-1,577,000+ North Korean and Chinese casualties, plus about two million civilian casualties, so a total of about 3.5 Million people.

World War 2; 70 Million People.

World War 1; 15 Million People.

So that's a total of 90.8 Million people killed in non-religious wars waged during the last century, give or take a few thousand people depending on my numbers. You know what these wars all have in common? They were fought for non religious reasons. They were fought largely because the factions involved did not like each other's political stance.

So let's just face facts; we do just fine finding reasons to kill people over without dragging religion into the fold. And if it didn't exist, we'd still find reasons to kill each other, as my evidence clearly shows.

[iloveTyler]

At 11/4/09 04:00 PM, ClaudiaKitsune wrote: But I think a Forum is a good source for answers...

Dude, you're talking to a bunch of 15 year olds who have nothing better to do with their time. You can't seriously expect educated answers.

[freddorfman]

At 11/4/09 03:55 PM, ClaudiaKitsune wrote: Sometimes I wonder what causes war. The only thing I believe is Religion. because people are so stubborn

Well you have the religion And the stubborn part right , But do not forget race wars or Race and Religion war like the yugoslav wars . War is a waste of meat and men.

[riemannSum]

At 11/4/09 04:31 PM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: The wars of religion has introduced a spread of technology. Ever heard of the Quakers?

Ever heard of the dark ages?

[Zoraxe7]

I have heard in my Global politics class a year or so back that more people have died from war and conflict over the last 100 years than the rest of human history combined.

At 11/4/09 10:45 PM, riemannSum wrote:

At 11/4/09 04:31 PM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: The wars of religion has introduced a spread of technology. Ever heard of the Quakers?

Ever heard of the dark ages?

I have.

If you don't know anything about Zoroastrianism, the Byzantine empire, and the Sassanids or Charlemagne, than don't claim you have heard of the dark ages, because apparently many people say they know about it but don't really know shit.

I'm going to spare you guys my usual rant about the crusades, unless maybe if somebody says something stupid relating to it.

[X-Gary-Gigax-X]

Dear God, another one of these threads?

[riemannSum]

At 11/4/09 11:00 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:
I have.

If you don't know anything about Zoroastrianism, the Byzantine empire, and the Sassanids or Charlemagne, than don't claim you have heard of the dark ages, because apparently many people say they know about it but don't really know shit.

Are you trying to criticize me/my post? Because I don't get it. And if you're not, then there was no reason to post at all, except to try and get yourself included in the conversation here. Also, if you ARE, then I'd like to know how religion doesn't tie into the dark ages.

[dySWN]

You seem to be forgetting about land, money, resources, ambition, and other cultural differences as causes of wars.

Also, we already have a zillion of these threads. Did we really need another?

[ThePretenders]

No, religion has nothing to war because if it were removed out of the equation, war would still happen. People fight for land, country and other reasons like revenge etc. It's a part of human nature that is ingrained in all of us.

[Ericho]

It's fairly certain that religion is a major cause in war, but it's bad to say that removing religion will get rid of all war. Even Richard Dawkins said that there are many big problems that don't have to do with religion, and we shouldn't just assume it's going to end all of our problems. Many an atheist have done terrible things.

[Elfer]

Pretty much every war ever has been caused by greed.

[ClaudiaKitsune]

What im starting to see here is that Religion pretty much corrupts everyones judgement. We fight for recourses which I see. But is it because of our human nature? Like animals fighting over territory? somtimes I just think war is caused of what people want instead of what they need. Instead of uniting other counties and trying to get along. "Religion" is what makes people different [As I said corruption] and if its not their way its automaticly "Bad" or "Evil"

[6Hun6ter6]

Call me crazy, but the Bible actually has some pretty decent stories. The one thing that bugs me though is that I find it very hard to believe most of those stories happened. I do not doubt that Jesus had ever existed, I just believe that everything he did were illusions: water into wine, walking on water, etc. If I wanted to believe in anything, it would be the fact that I will find out when I die. I mean lets face it, death is inevitable, so let people have their beliefs, because it is a waste of THEIR own life, not mine.

[Ericho]

At 11/4/09 08:09 PM, Proteas wrote: Operation Iraqi Freedom; to date, 4,669 in Coalition losses, and about 1,033,000 Iraqi deaths because of increased turmoil in addition to military action. Total body count; 1,037,669 people.

Wait, Iraqi freedom? Wasn't that caused by Muslim extremism? And wasn't it influenced by Christianity? I mean, in the conflict in the Middle East, everyone is always saying that it's the fault of religion.

[Drakim]

At 11/6/09 10:08 AM, Ericho wrote:

At 11/4/09 08:09 PM, Proteas wrote: Operation Iraqi Freedom; to date, 4,669 in Coalition losses, and about 1,033,000 Iraqi deaths because of increased turmoil in addition to military action. Total body count; 1,037,669 people.

Wait, Iraqi freedom? Wasn't that caused by Muslim extremism? And wasn't it influenced by Christianity? I mean, in the conflict in the Middle East, everyone is always saying that it's the fault of religion.

No, haven't you heard? Even when somebody suicide bombs civilians in the name of their God it doesn't count for religion because he was doing religion wrong. Nothing can ever be blamed on religion ever, it's untouchable.

[Proteas]

At 11/6/09 10:08 AM, Ericho wrote: Wait, Iraqi freedom? Wasn't that caused by Muslim extremism? And wasn't it influenced by Christianity? I mean, in the conflict in the Middle East, everyone is always saying that it's the fault of religion.

Really? Here I thought it was fought for oil instead of being fought to overthrow a maniacal dictator who had nothing to do with 9/11. At least that's the line I've heard used on here umpteen million times in the last 6 years.

At 11/6/09 10:10 AM, Drakim wrote: Nothing can ever be blamed on religion ever, it's untouchable.

There's google. Don't like what I wrote? Come up with something to refute it.

[Drakim]

At 11/6/09 10:10 AM, Drakim wrote: Nothing can ever be blamed on religion ever, it's untouchable.

There's google. Don't like what I wrote? Come up with something to refute it.

Wut, I hadn't even read your post while posting my post. It wasn't addressed to you

[morefngdbs]

At 11/6/09 10:55 AM, Proteas wrote:

At 11/6/09 10:08 AM, Ericho wrote: Wait, Iraqi freedom? Wasn't that caused by Muslim extremism? And wasn't it influenced by Christianity?

Really? Here I thought it was fought for oil instead of being fought to overthrow a maniacal dictator who had nothing to do with 9/11. At least that's the line I've heard used on here umpteen million times in the last 6 years.

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