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At 11/3/09 12:35 AM, pr0de wrote: no they don't

LSD can give you what's called a Chronic High

changed to "Chronic Stoner Syndrome."

lsd isn't cannabis

but a High is sort of like a syndrome if you think of it in the right way...

At 11/3/09 12:41 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 11/3/09 12:38 AM, DaPsychoHippy wrote: but a High is sort of like a syndrome if you think of it in the right way...

What, like if you twist the meanings completely?

And even if it was a syndrome...so what? If you're not a dickhead, it doesn't have to be permanent.

I never said it was permanent, but it could effect your mental state, or bodily functions for a long amount of time...

Current system is fine.

As much as I'm for legalization and control over what you put in your body, I can't help but think that drugs being illegal prevents usage by the sheltered weirdos who'd probably freak out on LSD and kill someone.

At 11/3/09 12:34 AM, jarrydn wrote:
A flashback is simply a memory of the experience. You might, for a couple of seconds, see the walls breathe slightly, or see sound, or have an unusual shift of consciousness, but that's only a result of being primed to the experience.

That's incorrect a flashback is a weak hallucinogenic experience,they tend to last for a few minutes too just under an hour. No one knows WTF causes them but my mom has them & you do have a weak trip when you have a flash back.

That aside does anyone else think it's funny that all you have to do to cause an uproar in England is state the fucking obvious?

All drugs should be made legal. The government shouldn't be able to regulate what you put in your body.

At 11/3/09 03:04 AM, GiantDouche wrote: All drugs should be made legal. The government shouldn't be able to regulate what you put in your body.

This. Mexico did the right thing by decriminalizing all of them, we should too.

At 11/2/09 10:46 PM, TimeforplanB wrote:

At 11/2/09 10:19 PM, Sizzlebuzz wrote: How is tobacco worse than LSD and ecstasy? I hardly see a logical argument that could be used to support this.

Lung cancer, nicotine, death... You know, little things.

Little things that happen over the course of many years. Given any method of use. Much worse can be said about the others.

LSD And xTc are pretty fucked up drugs nade by people in their basements. The effects and potency vary based on the person who made em. Sounds pretty unstable to me. I've done both and Id prefer LSD for a party. But I don't do iter any more cause of the LOG TERM HARMFUL EFFECTS they have on the mind.
Now weed aint that bad if used in moderation or for an actual reason. Medical pot is widely becoming an accepted Idea and practice. In some place sin the US you can get weed from a legit store. Just google weed dispensary and you'll see its become rather popular.
Id have no problem trading Beer and Smokes for weed. But id don't want to loose wine...that shit taste good and if you have a glass during dinner it helps with digestion.

At 11/3/09 07:48 AM, Eclipse914 wrote: This. Mexico did the right thing by decriminalizing all of them, we should too.

Wait, Mexico has decriminalized all drugs? I thought that place was known for being corrupt with a bunch of drug lords, or did that just go down since it was decriminalized? I guess find it odd Mexico is acting as a role model for a place.

Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

At 11/3/09 12:20 PM, EpicFail wrote: Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

exactly, you just keep on taking them and then somebody dear and close to you tries and helps you to stop but you act like you need it until you go insane and eventually kill yourself...

At 11/3/09 12:20 PM, EpicFail wrote: Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

Sure, because we all like to be awake when surgeons cut up our body...

yeah. that way we can get rid of the idiots who want to kill themselves

BONUS!

At 11/3/09 12:26 PM, Bramly-apple wrote:

At 11/3/09 12:20 PM, EpicFail wrote: Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

Sure, because we all like to be awake when surgeons cut up our body...

We're talking about drugs... Not the fucking laughing gas and shit doctors will give you.
I've learned first hand that drugs fuck up your life, I live with a drug addict, my own fucking mum is a drug addict.

At 11/3/09 12:34 PM, EpicFail wrote:

At 11/3/09 12:26 PM, Bramly-apple wrote:

At 11/3/09 12:20 PM, EpicFail wrote: Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

Sure, because we all like to be awake when surgeons cut up our body...

We're talking about drugs... Not the fucking laughing gas and shit doctors will give you.
I've learned first hand that drugs fuck up your life, I live with a drug addict, my own fucking mum is a drug addict.

Which drugs are they addicted to?

I agree that heroin and crack etc shouldn't be legal, as they're very addictive. But two minutes researching cannabis and you'll find a shit ton of benefits, while habving minimal health risks.

At 11/3/09 12:20 PM, EpicFail wrote: Drugs fuck up lives basically... There is no positive in any drug.

Uh, I belive that's a gross exaggeration. There have been people who would have died had they not recieved the proper drugs. My mother was a nervous wreck for decades before finally getting down the right medication. Marijuana has never killed anyone, and is in fact less dangerous than water.

When you talk about the legalization of drugs you're talking about bringing the U.S. government into a position where one of their biggest economical powerhouses would fall drastically, and they don't want that to happen. Should drugs be allowed? Of course. Drugs are allowed. You're in pain? Go to the *doctor* who will in turn send you to a *pharmacy* with a piece of paper stating you are allowed to receive synthetic heroin. They don't want you to have your drugs, they want you to have their drugs.

Prohobition causes more problems it solves.

I say yeah, legalise use, and posession and sale of smalll amounts.

At 11/2/09 11:57 PM, EpicFail wrote: I'd personally say LSD is worse than alcohol and tobacco by far, as well as exctasy.

Then, personally you'd be wrong.

Get educated

At 11/3/09 12:43 PM, Bramly-apple wrote: I agree that heroin and crack etc shouldn't be legal

No, they should.

Keeping them illegal doesn't change ther fact that the addicts still need their fix. While you can hinder import and production, as long as there's demand, there will be a supply. If it were legal, it could be controlled, and addicts could get into rehab.

The stricter the control on a drug, the higher the profit margin is for the druglords. For example, China executes all drug dealers, but that doesn't stop usage, only makes the East Asian cartels really rich.

The reason I argue against legalization is because we're fucking idiots. How many people do you think would stay inside all day snorting cocaine and popping ecstasy? How many do you think would get crazy and take their hunting rifles to the street? I know that not everyone is a raging crazyman waiting to be activated by drugs. But you KNOW at least a small percent of the population is going to be stupid and die, and maybe take others along with them.

And by the 'they should let us do w/e we wunt lol' argument, why don't we legalize every drug in existence? Let's go down to the pharmacy and buy us a nice cocktail of painkillers. Hell, let's put PCP in the water supplies; that'll be an awesome party!

tl;dr: Risks outweigh the gains

People get so up in arms over drugs. It is very true and very real that there are drugs out there that generate hard addicts and it often ends horribly. Another hard tragedy to face is coming to the realization that most of these drugs were created by the same companies that manufacture the "good" ones.

Everyone is just a number, drugs being illegal has nothing to do with your well being.

Taboo itself should become as reviled as all things falling under its classification. To attach a social stigma to something that any individual finds rewarding is cruelty. To bombard youth with pejorative 'fact' such as "Don't give in to peer pressure: don't do drugs," as if to insist that the message they take from that is the only reason to do drugs is because peers are supposed to regard it as 'cool' is absolute bullshit.

Heath class is symptomatic of the diseased zeal with which children are educated in this world. Taught to ask questions only up to the point where someone becomes emotionally distraught over the discussion. Taught from the subjective standpoint of 'drugs are bad, here's how you avoid ALL OF THEM' instead of 'drugs affect the psyche to varying degrees, these are the symptoms of 'being high' on [drug], here're the long term effects, there is much debate about the ill-effect of simpler hallucinogens such as marijuana etc.'

Kids should be taught from the objective and REALISTIC choice that not only is it up to them to say no to drugs, but it's also up to them to say YES only to the drugs that interest them. If a person is interested in smoking weed, but doesn't want it laced with something else, they should be taught how to tell the difference. NOT lectured on the negatives of what they've already decided is acceptable to put in their body. Nor discouraged from even asking such a question in the first place because of bureaucratic consequences from a school administration.

Independent thought is the hallmark of education. To marginalize the fact that grade schools are government agencies and thusly tied by federal law to foolish anti-individualistic curricula (ie: standardized tests) is a travesty.

In short: drug use should be accepted enough that the sense of responsibility can be instilled in those interested before they've tried them. There shouldn't be a divide between 'right' and 'wrong' so large that once one has tried drugs the only way for them to learn responsibility with drugs in their life is through trial and error. Legalize and disallow use until an acceptable age of responsibility. Instruct as to proper decision making. Blah, rant over.

At 11/4/09 01:48 PM, Evark wrote:
In short: drug use should be accepted enough that the sense of responsibility can be instilled in those interested before they've tried them. There shouldn't be a divide between 'right' and 'wrong' so large that once one has tried drugs the only way for them to learn responsibility with drugs in their life is through trial and error. Legalize and disallow use until an acceptable age of responsibility. Instruct as to proper decision making. Blah, rant over.

*applause* Well said. Use of the words 'subjective' and 'objective' are of high importance when discussing things from the standpoint of education. Kids are taught through the school systems that drugs are evil, and then they go home and see alcohol in the fridge and pills in the cabinet. Forgetting the legality of it, one's body is his/her own temple of which there should only be regulation when one is truthfully informed of realistic consequence, and a level of comprehension is reached.

At 11/4/09 01:13 PM, TheStonePilot wrote: How many people do you think would stay inside all day snorting cocaine and popping ecstasy?

Drugs being illegal doesn't stop people from doing that. In fact, well,, see the end of the post.

But you KNOW at least a small percent of the population is going to be stupid and die, and maybe take others along with them.

What drugs are you exactly talking about here, anyway? Extacy? LSD? PCP? Coke? PCP is the closest to "flip out and hurt people", but rarely involves guns.

Let's go down to the pharmacy and buy us a nice cocktail of painkillers.

You do know that misuse of prescription medication is as common as illegal drug abuse already? So yeah, people do get cocktails of painkillers with false prescriptions etc.

Hell, let's put PCP in the water supplies; that'll be an awesome party!

Reducio ad absurdum.

Now, what would happen if drugs were legalised is purely speculation, as it's never been done... wait it has? Oh yeah, Portugal recently deccided to decriminalize all drug use and offered rehab to anyone willing to get off drugs. Overall use of drugs, drug deaths, new HIV contraction and amount of new drug users fell, while people going to rehab went up.

How this would work on a bigger scale, like US, we can't know. Sure, some people may go nuts. So? They go nuts with illegal drugs, alcohol and prescription medication. But if the trade was regulated, we could watch out for the crazies.

The current system benefits those who are willing to work outside the law. Cocaine and heroin used to be sold in pharmacies. No-one made a fortune out of it, and the number of addicts was mostly due to doctors having loose morals with the prescription book.

I doubt they will be legalized (with the exception of pot, and even then only because there are so many people pushing for it and people are being put in jail for small amounts of marijuana and it's ridiculous) because of the societal cost, people driving when they're too baked to even think about shit in any reasonable time, people getting (mentally) addicted - the same problems people have with alcohol, pretty much, I think. Pot will probably be legal in small amounts (in certain areas) but it wont be like you can just walk down and get a blunt at the corner store or anything.
Also do you have the link where the guy specifically mentions that LSD and ecstasy were safe and harmless because most other science reports I've read have said otherwise.

At 11/4/09 03:32 PM, PenguinKommando wrote: people driving when they're too baked to even think about shit in any reasonable time

Alcohol is legal, but driving drunk is illegal. legalizing drugs wouldn't be different. And do you really think people don't drive under influnece of drugs even if they're illegal?

Also do you have the link where the guy specifically mentions that LSD and ecstasy were safe and harmless because most other science reports I've read have said otherwise.

Other scientific reports you've read, or what you've been told on second hand?

I linked a documentary on the subject a page or so back, but I'll do it again:

Horizon: Britain's Most Dangerous Drugs (pt. 1/5), the rest of it can be found from the same site.

And this isn't just some random people saying this, it's britains leading exprets.