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People who say that are idiots.

At 11/1/09 12:49 PM, SteveGuzzi wrote:

At 11/1/09 12:43 PM, poxpower wrote: It's basically like buying a magazine with all the ads blacked out instead of just removed :O

What surprised me when I installed the AdBlocker thingie is that, it DID just remove them.

Like, you see how the ads are framed by the NG table layout dealio, the gray fade with rounded corners then pixel box THEN the ad inside? Yeah, that entire section disappears. No empty black box, no hollow frame, just a seamless transition from the navbar to the next section without a space in-between.

It was neat and all, but like I said, I only used it during-and-for those video ads on the Portal view pages. Once those were phased out I disabled it.

Yeah but really, there's not much point in just removing some harmless ads. Newgrounds has harmless ads. Some other sites have malicious ads. I have adblocker installed but I don't use it much, only if I'm sure there could be malicious coding which is totally acceptable. I use Flashblock for the most part because my computer is shitty and made in 2002, but not on newgrounds because they have that dim the lights button.

If I could, I would buy something from the ng store. Maybe later after I get my first job and some stability.

It really isn't a big deal to let the ads load, so why not?

At 11/1/09 12:43 PM, poxpower wrote: THe thing is that people block banner ads.
What is that shit? There's a space on the website designed SPECIFICALLY for them. If you block them and replace them with a black square, you have achieved nothing other than make sure ads are worth less and less overall on the web.

It's basically like buying a magazine with all the ads blacked out instead of just removed :O

It blocks the banner and the space for it. It looks really neat, and like if it wasn't there in the first place.

At 11/1/09 12:49 PM, SteveGuzzi wrote:

Like, you see how the ads are framed by the NG table layout dealio, the gray fade with rounded corners then pixel box THEN the ad inside? Yeah, that entire section disappears. No empty black box, no hollow frame, just a seamless transition from the navbar to the next section without a space in-between.

Woah that's awesome. Suddenly I want it.

Anyway the truth is that if you want to support a website, buy their shit or click their ads. They'll get more money from one ad click than a thousand ads served and more money from you buying a keychain than from them serving like 10 000 ads.
Ads on the web are almost entirely worthless at this point :o

I don't know about those annoying forced video ads though that youtube has started doing recently. That's starting to seem like a deal-breaker to me.

The main deal with content-serving website like newgrounds, somethingawful, youtube etc. is that they give entertainment / information for free. The second you do that, people don't owe you anything.
You can put all the ads you want, people don't have to click them and if you feel cheated by that, tough shit.

At 11/1/09 03:00 PM, poxpower wrote: You can put all the ads you want, people don't have to click them and if you feel cheated by that, tough shit.

Dear poxpower, fuck you. Newgrounds provide content for us to digest and enjoy under the assumption we will view adverts, those adverts pay for the site to exist, for people like liljim and stamper to contribute it doesn't pay for Tom to get a nice car and sexy bitches. How can you say it's "tough shit" if you block adverts? If you don't want to see the adverts in exchange for the content, don't view the content.

People who try and justify advert blocking annoy the shit out of me, fine go ahead and block adverts but don't try and say it's right or even try and justify it. It's stupid and I'm surprised people here are so willing to do it.

At 11/1/09 03:05 PM, citricsquid wrote:

Dear poxpower, fuck you. Newgrounds provide content for us to digest and enjoy under the assumption we will view adverts,

Huh, no, the ads are there to make money as long as they'll work.
No NG user owes NG ANYTHING. Every free content web owner understands that they are providing a service for free.
No one has to come here. It's a privilege to get so many people. NG is privileged to have so many users, it's not the users who are privileged to have NG.

If you like the site and want to support it, then click the ads, buy things at the store, make games etc.
But if you don't give a shit whether this site sinks or floats, then block the ads. You don't owe them anything.

At 11/1/09 04:08 PM, poxpower wrote: If you like the site and want to support it, then click the ads, buy things at the store, make games etc.
But if you don't give a shit whether this site sinks or floats, then block the ads. You don't owe them anything.

Let's play "teach someone about the internet". The internet is a series of tubes, data travels down these tubes and is delivered to you by your local ISP, this data is then magically transformed into the information you need by the wonderful thing that is a computer. This data is sent by a server, it costs for the data to be delivered to you. Imagine this data is a package, you give it to the postman and you give him the postage costs and he delivers it. Newgrounds sends you data for a price, they send this data because you requested it by going on the website. They also send you adverts, these adverts are not for shits and giggles, these adverts are to cover their costs, the costs incurred sending you the data you requested to receive.

What is hard to understand? Newgrounds isn't forcing you to view the website it is your choice and that choice includes viewing adverts. Imagine Newgrounds is a shop, they have a lovely shelf of flash animations and you want one, you walk in and pick it up and instead of going to the checkout and paying for it (viewing an advert) you walk straight out. Newgrounds has now spent their money on giving you that Flash animation and what have you given in return? Nothing.

Newgrounds has adverts not by choice, but because they have to. If you refuse to view adverts you're refusing to pay for the content you loaded. You can't just say "hurrr, Newgrounds provides the free content it's their choice to let me have it for free!". It isn't, it is your responsibility as a citizen of the internet to view the adverts that pay for your fucking viewing. You know that these adverts also benefit the flash artists, those who may rely on this for their life? Tom I'm pretty sure uses all the money from newgrounds for Newgrounds, he makes lots from Video games, but that money pays for Liljim, stamper, mindchamber and all the other wonderful people who work to provide YOU with FREE content.

All they ask is that you view an advert, it requires absolutely no effort from you, none whatsoever and it offsets the cost of your viewing. I don't get why or how you could think it is acceptable to block adverts. You're the sort of douchebag who pays $0.00 in pay what you want type sales. It's fucking ridiculous and I can't believe you, as someone who is apparently intelligent would think for any fucking second it's acceptable.

At 11/1/09 02:55 PM, liljim wrote: Store purchases really don't cover even 1% of the costs of the running of the site, so any attempts to justify that being a viable source of main income at the moment are invalid. If more people were buying things, sure, the balance might change, but I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. Just look at all the t-shirt based sites that are going out of business at the moment.

I'd like to quote this because it destroys the point about "buying a keyring is good, it makes them money!". Please just fuck off if you don't like the adverts, Newgrounds has probably some of the best adverts I've seen, Tom makes every effort to make sure they're not abusive and disrupt your viewing. Remember when the adverts caused Flash problems? Oh yeah, they developed a feature to stop that happening. There is no fucking excuse for blocking the adverts Newgrounds serves to you to offset the costs you incur them.