Ad Blocking = Stealing (?)

[SteveGuzzi]

The people who say this...

I wonder if they feel the same way about fast-forwarding past commercials on their DVR / TiVo.

Because not obligating yourself to watch commercials means you're stealing.

. . .

I doubt it.

[robin1232]

At 11/1/09 06:37 AM, SteveGuzzi wrote: The people who say this...

I wonder if they feel the same way about fast-forwarding past commercials on their DVR / TiVo.

Because not obligating yourself to watch commercials means you're stealing.

no, its not the same thing, the commercials on tv are already paid for, its not like the tv station earns less money because you don't watch them.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 11/1/09 06:42 AM, robin1232 wrote: no, its not the same thing, the commercials on tv are already paid for, its not like the tv station earns less money because you don't watch them.

If companies saw no correlation between ad time and product awareness (and thus, sales) then they wouldn't be spending ANY money on advertisements in the first place (and thus, the broadcasters wouldn't have money to broadcast with).

It's very simple -- do you pay any mind towards who is sponsoring __________?

If not, does that actually mean you're stealing?

[hdxmike]

Shut the fuck up and click some ads you ad blocking bitch , if you dont tom will come to you in the middle of the night and rape you with a castle crashers figurine

[citricsquid]

I think ad blocking is stealing and I watch the adverts on TV. Also, even if I did fast forward through adverts I could still say that ad blocking was stealing, sure it's hypocritical but we all are.

[SteveGuzzi]

And if you want to get technical, then there's basically two main ways an ad blocker could work I suppose. One is to allow the ad content to download but to prevent it from ever being rendered by the browser, and the other is to deny the ad server entirely so that not even an impression is registered.

So okay, I can kinnnnda understand why people might accuse the latter of being considered theft, but what about the former? If the advertisers *think* you saw the ad (even though you never did) does that mean you're not guilty of stealing the advertiser's (and more to the point, the content provider's) money? Like, it's okay if you don't pay any attention as long as they *think* you MIGHT be paying attention?

At 11/1/09 06:57 AM, hdxmike wrote: Shut the fuck up and click some ads you ad blocking bitch

Hello Mike.

Mike, I hate to tell you this, but you're a dumb shit.

The only time I've ever been compelled to block advertisements (as a whole) was when the NG Portal view pages were serving ads that reset Flash movies and games unexpectedly. If you've ever read any reviews that mentioned anything about a game or movie randomly going back to the beginning, it was because of those ads.

*ANYWAY*

I've bought products from the NG Store. As in, I've actually spent money that I worked for to support NG.

You haven't.

In other words, eat a dick.

[kaywire]

I Havent got Adblocker and i never used it.

I see Ads on Newgrounds and i am not going to Fuckingclick on them so eat shit.

[robin1232]

your just a dick, don't block ads, period.

[AlkaSeltzer]

No company can claim loss of revenue against me for blocking ads because i would never click on them if they existed.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 11/1/09 07:14 AM, robin1232 wrote: your just a dick, don't block ads

Another asinine comment from someone who's never spent their own money to support Newgrounds.

[citricsquid]

Let's play a numbers game: How many times have you loaded Newgrounds in the past few months? Me 40,000+, now if I'd blocked 40,000 ad views for Newgrounds I'm blocking, potentially, quite a bit of ad revenue. What you buy in the store is irrelevant, Newgrounds main (like, 99%) source of income is the adverts, the store is a tiny amount of revenue and trying to justify blocking adverts because you bought a t-shirt and some stickers is stupid.

Just put the fuck up with a few pissy adverts and get it over with, I've never once burst into tears because of the adverts, I've never passed out or thrown up so where's the problem? There is no problem with viewing a couple of adverts on Newgrounds. Stop being a pathetic little bitch.

[Pokemonpoeguygcn]

At 11/1/09 06:37 AM, SteveGuzzi wrote: The people who say this...

I wonder if they feel the same way about fast-forwarding past commercials on their DVR / TiVo.
Because not obligating yourself to watch commercials means you're stealing.

Correct

[FlashCam]

At 11/1/09 06:57 AM, hdxmike wrote: Shut the fuck up and click some ads you ad blocking bitch , if you dont tom will come to you in the middle of the night and rape you with a castle crashers figurine

Good luck at him doing that...I'm probably 10000 miles away from him and it's 7 30 in the morn

[DemonsRemorse]

You're not losing revenue from me.

1. I hate flash ads, seriously. I do.
2. I hate ads, seriously I do.

I don't click ads out of principle.

[citricsquid]

At 11/1/09 07:39 AM, DemonsRemorse wrote: You're not losing revenue from me.

They get paid on views, not just clicks.

At 11/1/09 07:39 AM, DemonsRemorse wrote: I don't click ads out of principle.

What a fucking bullshit statement. Nobody enjoys them but they're a necessary evil. You know Newgrounds wouldn't be here today if it weren't for adverts? Dick.

[DemonsRemorse]

At 11/1/09 07:43 AM, citricsquid wrote:

What a fucking bullshit statement. Nobody enjoys them but they're a necessary evil. You know Newgrounds wouldn't be here today if it weren't for adverts? Dick.

Hold up, watch me care.
You watching?

Note to self, resume AdBlocking.

[citricsquid]

At 11/1/09 07:45 AM, DemonsRemorse wrote: Hold up, watch me care.
You watching?

Note to self, resume AdBlocking.

You don't have to care, makes no difference to me, but I feel the need to express my distaste. Every time you block an advert Tom loses revenue and revenue is needed for Newgrounds to survive. The ads aren't for Tom, they're for Newgrounds. Stop being a dick and stifling the growth of Newgrounds.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 11/1/09 07:22 AM, citricsquid wrote: Let's play a numbers game

LOL do you really? Okay then.

How many times have you loaded Newgrounds in the past few months?

Me 40,000+, now if I'd blocked 40,000 ad views for Newgrounds I'm blocking, potentially, quite a bit of ad revenue.

I'm going to be VERY generous here.

Let's you did 40,00 PER month. There's about 30 days in a month, so, that means you'd have loaded at least 1,333 NG pages per day.

What you buy in the store is irrelevant, Newgrounds main (like, 99%) source of income is the adverts, the store is a tiny amount of revenue and trying to justify blocking adverts because you bought a t-shirt and some stickers is stupid.

I'm going to use what small amount of ad-sharing revenue I've earned as a general metric.

24,741 ad impressions on audio submissions since rev-sharing began. I've earned... $0.27.

(Yes, I know NG is focused on Flash and not audio. No, I am not a popular audio artist.)

So let's say that for whatever ad impression money I make, NG makes... I dunno, 4x as much.

~$0.273 for every ~25,000 impressions, x2 (your EXTRA-GENEROUS approx total views per month), x4 (NG owner's cut) = ~$2.18/month or ~$0.0000109 per ad impression. You've been here ~4 years, 5 months. On ad impressions alone, you've contributed a (GENEROUSLY ESTIMATED) ~$115.54. That's *IF* you visit NG as much (or more than) you claim to, and that's *IF* NG makes four times as much as what it shares with its lesser artists.

To recap ---

What you buy in the store is irrelevant

I've spent over $200 in the NG store. It's actually ~ $212.50, not including S&H.

Besides that, I've also bought a Tankman figurine and an AH figurine set (possibly the last one they had at NG HQ) before store tracking. Besides that, I've also bought Alien Hominid for PS2 and will get Castle Crashers as soon as it's out for PS3.

So you can round that to an unofficial $275, assuming the figurines and game were $20 each and that shipping wasn't entirely free (it wasn't free... at all). Maybe even ~$300 for projected future sales on the CC game alone.

Just put the fuck up with a few pissy adverts and get it over with, I've never once burst into tears because of the adverts, I've never passed out or thrown up so where's the problem? There is no problem with viewing a couple of adverts on Newgrounds.

When did I cry, pass out, or throw up? LOL... oh, hyperbole.

Stop being a pathetic little bitch.

Hello, I spent nearly $300 for things I never actually had to spend a red cent on.

You spent... about five bucks.

Oh wait -- I've also been here for nearly a decade and I've only blocked ads for maybe a span of 3-5 weeks. So, if I've been to NG 1/4 as regularly as you have (let's say 10,000 views/month for 117 months) then I've contributed like, an additional $51.01. So you could say the unofficial total I've contributed is around $325-350.

If you really want to play a numbers game...

I've been here about twice as long as you have and I've contributed about three times as much as you have. Also, I don't even make a habit of blocking ads like you fucking idiots immediately assume I do.

. . .

In other words, eat a dick.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 11/1/09 07:46 AM, citricsquid wrote: You don't have to care, makes no difference to me, but I feel the need to express my distaste.

I'm expressing my distaste for people who whine about how ad blocking causes financial damage yet won't even bother to reach into their own pockets to contribute something.

(e.g., you, et al).

[citricsquid]

At 11/1/09 09:18 AM, SteveGuzzi wrote: I'm expressing my distaste for people who whine about how ad blocking causes financial damage yet won't even bother to reach into their own pockets to contribute something.

(e.g., you, et al).

I have bought quite a few things from Newgrounds. I bought before the current store system was built so it doesn't show on my user page. So uh, yeah, that point is moot. I have also supported Newgrounds in other ways, my combined flash view count was well into the 200,000s I however deleted them a while back.

Regarding your point, let's assume I actually said 40,000 a month (which I didn't, but whatever) and let's assume there are 1,000 users like me. So there are 1,000 users who have done $115 worth of ad views in 5 years, that's $115,000 (is my maths right?). So you're saying $115,000 is fuck all? Do I need to explain how much money that is? Imagine if every one of those users had gone "lol fuck this shit, I'm blocking adverts!".

The point is, when someone refuses to load an advert they're blocking the money that Newgrounds needs to cover the cost of that page view, let's assume for a second that in fact when you visit the store and buy something you are in fact offsetting the money that you cost Newgrounds every year, that still doesn't make ad blocking okay for the majority. I don't agree that just because you bought from the store you should be allowed or forgiven for blocking adverts, but whatever.

At 11/1/09 08:56 AM, SteveGuzzi wrote: Oh wait -- I've also been here for nearly a decade and I've only blocked ads for maybe a span of 3-5 weeks. So, if I've been to NG 1/4 as regularly as you have (let's say 10,000 views/month for 117 months) then I've contributed like, an additional $51.01. So you could say the unofficial total I've contributed is around $325-350.

This point made me laugh, you're totally ignoring the costs Newgrounds incurs when you visit the site.

[Soaked]

At 11/1/09 06:42 AM, robin1232 wrote: no, its not the same thing, the commercials on tv are already paid for, its not like the tv station earns less money because you don't watch them.

Don't the ads still count has being viewed (NOT clicked on), even when they are blocked?

[disasterarea]

I really don't give a shit. I block ads, because I think they're incredibly annoying. If you have a problem with that, you can go fuck yourselves.

[Soaked]

At 11/1/09 09:36 AM, disasterarea wrote: I really don't give a shit. I block ads, because I think they're incredibly annoying. If you have a problem with that, you can go fuck yourselves.

True. Text ads were fine. But now, they have to use flash, and be all flashy(flashing colours, etc)!

[reverend]

Considering that most of the traffic on the internet, like 70% at minimum, still uses Internet Explorer 7 & 8 which has no ad-blocking capabilities, I'm not too worried that Newgrounds is not getting enough views and clicks.

Is it stealing? No, I don't believe so. I believe a person should have some say in what is downloaded to my computer. If a person don't want to download two .swf based ads that will lag up their computer then they shouldn't have to. It's about how they want to view the internet.

Now with that said, we must be mindful of how small business like Newgrounds operate and must support them in every way we can. If you don't want to view the ads, recommend some friends to sign up, creates a flash slap the API in it and submit everywhere, or do buy a fucking shirt. :P

[citricsquid]

At 11/1/09 09:54 AM, reverend wrote: Is it stealing? No, I don't believe so. I believe a person should have some say in what is downloaded to my computer. If a person don't want to download two .swf based ads that will lag up their computer then they shouldn't have to. It's about how they want to view the internet.

Newgrounds provides a service and in return they expect you to view adverts. Advert views are the currency you pay for the service you receive. It's the same way you go to a shop, they give you some candy and you give them money, you come to newgrounds, they give you lovely content and you give them ad views. Stealing probably isn't the right word, but it's exactly the same principle.

[chainsawmurderer53]

Well people with ad blocker will still buy T-shirts, so it doesn't matter.

[kanon1]

I think its safe to say with every post, this is becoming a troll center, eventually it will become a troll society.

[TheStonePilot]

I stopped caring about ad-blocking when an ad (from this site) gave me a huge virus which made me have to wipe my laptop.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 11/1/09 09:32 AM, citricsquid wrote: I have bought quite a few things from Newgrounds. I bought before the current store system was built so it doesn't show on my user page.

And so have I... in addition to all the shit that IS on my user page. Besides the figurines I forgot about the Pico Unloaded shirt (which I think they should bring back, but anyway...) from the old CafePress site in addition to some other junk like a mug or two or whatever.

So uh, yeah, that point is moot.

If the point of store purchases is moot then why are they pushing for more and more store products, specials, limited/collector's edition items, et cetera? Is it because, hmmm, there's a much larger profit margin involved with moving product as opposed to ad views/clicks?

Regarding your point, let's assume I actually said 40,000 a month (which I didn't, but whatever)

I'm well aware, I said several times that it was a generous estimate. Your ad impressions have in all likelihood generated much much less.

Imagine if every one of those users had gone "lol fuck this shit, I'm blocking adverts!".

Imagine if, instead of assuming all sorts of retarded bullshit I never even suggested, you had left it at your first reply --

At 11/1/09 07:11 AM, citricsquid wrote: I think ad blocking is stealing and I watch the adverts on TV. Also, even if I did fast forward through adverts I could still say that ad blocking was stealing, sure it's hypocritical but we all are.

Now why would you admit it's hypocritical and say "but we all are" if you really DO watch all the ads on TV? It is because, um, you actually don't? I mean really, are you honestly trying to argue that you watch ALL the ads on TV whether DVR'd orrr live? Pff, give me a break. Like you actually feel obligated to sit and pay attention to ads for Old Spice deodorant because you want to support the National Broadcasting Company or what-have-you. Fff.

The point is, when someone refuses to load an advert they're blocking the money that Newgrounds needs to cover the cost of that page view, let's assume for a second that in fact when you visit the store and buy something you are in fact offsetting the money that you cost Newgrounds every year, that still doesn't make ad blocking okay for the majority.

When did I advocate or promote ad blocking for the majority? Oh right, I didn't. When did I proclaim that I personally block ads with no concern about it's repercussions? Oh right, I didn't. Furthermore, I already said that the only time I've ever blocked ads was when the ads interfered with the actual usage of the website.

I don't agree that just because you bought from the store you should be allowed or forgiven for blocking adverts, but whatever.

I think it's gay as shit when people act all self-righteous about viewing/clicking web advertisements when they haven't even and wouldn't even reach into their own pockets to contribute something, but whatever.

THAT's what the point 'is'.

You've bought something, great, then this thread isn't about you.

It's about the dicks who think their mere presence is so significant a contribution that they have the right to reprimand people for not wanting to view annoying fucking advertisements that fuck the site up even though they've never actually come out of pocket to support Newgrounds themselves. You view ads, BIG FUCKING DEAL. You want to show your appreciation? Buy some shit, otherwise, shut the fuck up.

[iCock]

I use adblocker and I'm proud of it.
Stupid ads
Its not like Tom is a poor ass motherfucker, maybe 10 years ago, but not now, no.