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Avoid the use of the word "Jap" first of all.

Other than that, the thesis is only as good as the paper. If you can back it up with serious evidence, it's an alright thesis. But you have to strongly support it.


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At 10/31/09 01:50 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:
At 10/31/09 01:48 PM, WastedWizard wrote:

You want to kill civilians to give your country a name?

You typing this from a padded room in a hospital for people with sub 10 IQ's?
I think they have forgotten to give him a straight-jacket.

Well i mean the bomb shut Japan up for quite some time, im sure if we can isolate a purly terrorist infested area and drop it, even for over kill, other hostle nations might want to rethink more attacks to our country.

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People sure know their history, huh?

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Sounds like you're going for a Racist Angle. Which i don't think your teach will approve of.

And "total annihilation" is not all realistic.

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At 10/31/09 01:59 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote: Sounds like you're going for a Racist Angle. Which i don't think your teach will approve of.

And "total annihilation" is not all realistic.

Racism is a major part of the reason why we Nuked Japan. I am writing the paper in character so that is what a person from 1945 would do.

FUCK.

Here is an example of the paper I wrote before this one on the annexation of the Philippines. This way you can understand what the class is like. RACISM at the time WAS NOT RACISM.

America is a nation unfit for the annexation of colonies. Our country is not strong enough financially, and culturally to annex the Philippines; the massive amount of money it would cost our great country would vastly outweigh any possible benefit provided through annexation. The only option for the Philippines and its people is clear; we must release them unto themselves free of Spain and free of ourselves.

America is not capable of taking in another landmass under our control with all the problems we face on our own soil. We as a nation are in very dark times. The panic of 1893 has had several lasting effects that will plague us for many years to come and, if allowed may, become the downfall of our great nation. The tramp wanders our streets looking for work and stealing that which he cannot buy. The populist spews his propaganda and lies to the public stealing votes from true American politicians focused on bettering our country. The populists even propose the government borrow them money in exchange for crops . This idea of government interference in daily lives and government control of business is Anti-American. We must deal with these un-American uprisings before we can even think about absorbing new peoples. Our economy is still not fully recovered and for all we know may not recover completely. Including another group of immigrant workers would only undercut the already declining job market for strong White Anglo-Saxon men who are vital to our economy. The Philippine infestation will reduce job opportunities and lower the economy to even worse depths. Groups like the Pullman-strikers and the Populists need to be America's first focus. We need to stamp out all anti-American groups before we can take on new peoples.

The Philippine people would not mix well with American ideals. Some say we need to embrace the Philippine people and raise them from their ignorance. This is not the case, colonizing and Christianizing these people before we have even elevated our own immigrants is an appalling thought. This Philippine race is an abomination my colleague Senator Ben Tillman of South Carolina sums it up perfectly "You are undertaking to annex and make a component part of this government islands inhabited by ten millions of the colored race, one half or more of whom are barbarians of the lowest type. It is to the injection the body politic of the United States that vitiated blood that debased and ignorant people, that we object." The Philippine people are unintelligent brutes we cannot allow America to be any further tainted. The great white race is being tainted by the continual addition of inferior races. We cannot subject the fair American people to this savage race, we must protect them and keep contact with these beasts to a minimum. The only answer is to not annex and in effect accept these people to our shores.

The cost of maintaining the Philippines would be substantial, and is almost certainly a preamble to war. Our economy is not ready to partake in the war that will surely ensue from the usurpation of the Philippines. The creation of battleships and training of army personnel equipped to deal with this kind of confrontation would cost immense amounts of money. America cannot afford to be a global imperial power, we ourselves struggled underneath the rule of Great Britain, after such travesties done to our forefathers how can we push ourselves onto the Philippines. We have no need to develop control in the Far East Asian Markets. All this will do is bring us into more conflicts with other countries. To maintain our strength we must build upwards in our own country, not outwards annexing land rightfully belonging to others. Some may say that if we don't participate in the Far East market we will fall behind economically and miss a piece of the growth provided by the Asian markets. This is a fallacy, we have wide markets in South America and Europe, the Asian people are a very simplistic and un-advanced people, and our technology would be of no use to those who still live in huts and worship "The Gods." The Philippines is an extravagant fairy tale that to be obtainable would drain our economy without offering any real gains or markets to exploit.

The Ideal of Manifest Destiny is an outdated and undeniably impossible feat to apply any longer in this new age. We can no longer gallivant across the world claiming land for our own, accepting the peoples and allowing them to become Americans. We must be Elitist, selective in our allowance of the great privilege of American citizenship. We are not ready as a nation socially, economically, or culturally to accept these peoples, our attention must remain on our own problems of today in our home country.


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I wouldn't use the word Jap, that might sound offensive to some.

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At 10/31/09 02:05 PM, dalmo wrote:
At 10/31/09 01:59 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote: Sounds like you're going for a Racist Angle. Which i don't think your teach will approve of.

And "total annihilation" is not all realistic.
Racism is a major part of the reason why we Nuked Japan. I am writing the paper in character so that is what a person from 1945 would do.

I partially agree with that. But it's rather debatable.

Anyway, i can see your not endorsing the Racism, but rather portraying it as a motive. I see what you're doing, and i think its a good idea. Stick to your guns though, this shit can get you in trouble. I hope you'd defend the essay.

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At 10/31/09 01:01 PM, dalmo wrote:
At 10/31/09 12:58 PM, TiredPaperBoy wrote: Convential means of warfare which have proven effective against their allies will not work against the Japanease, their social idea's of honour and justice will not allow themselves to be beaten like their northen allies, we must land one last decissive strike to assure them they can not win, or else they will fight untill their last breathe.

We did something like that in GCSE history, but it was in a different context, you oculd take parts of my answer if you like.
Do you still have the paper? If possible I would like to read it, I wouldn't plagiarize it but it would be nice to have another point of view on it and see how you did it.

That's long gone, lost the the insanity and chaos of the schools filling system, which I have since left.

How I made it was by putting me self in the place of a general, seeing what I could do, what needed to be acomplished.

Its also usefull to look at it from the side of the Japanease, more specificly their system of government, which at this time was [and many claim still is] Military Controlled, and since assasinations were common, do you think that the Japanease armed forces would even allow their leader to surrender thtough any other tactic other than mass destruction?

Good luck.

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At 10/31/09 02:11 PM, TiredPaperBoy wrote: Reasons blalblbalblablabbalala

Forgot to say that this method also makes you look 'good' in everyone elses eyes, using the nukes as a last resort.

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At 10/31/09 02:44 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: USA should have used the atomic bomb against its own self

fuck the USA

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At 10/31/09 12:47 PM, Strength wrote: Shit man, looking like an D- paper so far.

Fixed.

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yes, you should, but use more than 2 so they don't give us all their weird fetishes (on the other hand, they did save the video game industry once...)


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At 10/31/09 02:44 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: USA should have used the atomic bomb against its own self

fuck the USA

What's eating your grapes?


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At 10/31/09 02:44 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: USA should have used the atomic bomb against its own self

fuck the USA

We're gunna bomb you so we can use your oil to fuel my Hummer so I can go to McDonalds and scarf down 3 double cheeseburgers with a large Coke while wearing my Wal-Mart clothes >:3

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The thread title was a bit confusing to me. It took a while to realise this was a role-play excersize. I'm kinda liking the use of "Japs" to keep it relevant to the time period, and hope this turns out well.

I tuned out about half-way through >.>

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You realize the word "Jap" is an epithet, right?
It would be like if I wrote a paper that was about how we should increase border security to keep "the Spics" out because they are "too proud an infestation" in our great nation.

At 10/31/09 01:37 PM, AnasaziTribal wrote: You're a fucking idiot, do some research before you formulate a bullshit response.
WE HAD ALREADy BOMBED 67 JAPANESE CITIES BEFORE WE DROPPED THE BOMBS.
They were already considering surrender and we had a larger military force than them, too.
Also, there were NO MILITARY OUTPOSTS IN HIROSHIMA OR NAGASAKI.
Just civilian casualties.

Also, I was going to post this, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were small towns in the mountains.. We only bombed Japan because, while we had pretty much gotten them close to giving up, they didn't want to remove their Emperor from power, but the US wasnt going to accept their terms of surrender unless the Emperor was stripped of power. We bombed their civillian cities because we wanted them to surrender right away, but they didn't after the first bomb because they thought we only had the one. We didnt really care about their military since we felt we could beat them (especially because of these new bombs) but they were too proud to surrender, and the war was taking too long.

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No! You would nuke the anime....

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At 10/31/09 01:24 PM, MasterBalls wrote: Americans can say what they want, what they really think is "We can do it because we're American".

You must be intelligent cause you can criticize an entire population of a country without any base for your argument other then to restate the ignorant stereotypes you have managed to retain

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At 10/31/09 02:44 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: USA should have used the atomic bomb against its own self

fuck the USA

Give me 3 reasons

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At 10/31/09 12:46 PM, Slawter wrote: plus we need to test this weoponry against human beings and we haven't tried this yet

since when did the japanese start counting for people? they created fuckloads of monsters aswell! another reason to hate a perfectly innocent race!

fuck you guys, im going home

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Don't use the word "infestation" or "Jap". Even if you may be trying to emulate the time period, there is still a chance your teacher will think that you are just being racist.

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At 10/31/09 04:10 PM, PenguinKommando wrote:

As I said before, a link would suffice.


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We should drop more bombs on them right now. Two nukes weren't enough.


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The problem of the Jap is now more present than ever before and is a threat on the horizon, no longer can America sit idly by and wait for another Pearl Harbor. We are a strong nation and the only one capable of finishing the fight against this threat. The Jap has proven to be too incompetent an infestation to combat with conventional warfare any longer, the only means to completely remove this threat and others at bay from our horizon is total destruction resulting in submission through the use of atomic weaponry.

The use of the atomic bomb would save the lives of countless Americans by removing the need for invasion. The estimated casualties of American lives as accounted by General MacArthur's staff estimated 23,000 within 30 days and at least 125,000 after 120 days. Invading the Japanese is a foolish idea. We would be fighting them in their own homes, in their neighborhoods; in the very backyard used to breed their children to hate America. To wage a war in a land so unfamiliar would be unnecessary knowing that America possesses a weapon with the means to end the war swiftly and quickly with minimal loss of life. As one can read in the proposed Japanese Invasion plan "Downfall" the invasion would be against a relentless enemy who "will continue the war to the utmost extent of their capabilities and will prepare to defend the main islands of JAPAN with every means available to them" . The civilian deaths for the Japanese would be catastrophic amount as well, instead of bombing isolated locations and winning the war quickly and cleanly we would be invading a country and spending possibly years fighting. The outcome of this would be massive deaths on both sides and many unpreventable civilian deaths. The only answer to our Jap problem is the use of the atom bomb to save the lives of countless Americans.

As we have already seen in their use of the Kamikaze the Japanese are far too irrational to fight with ordinary tactics, their primitive culture disallows us from persuading them to submit. They desire to retain their current form of government in which they allow their Emperor to lead the citizens blindly. He is referred to as "tenno heika" which when translated means "heavenly sovereign." With such devotion it would be unreasonable to even hope to end this war in a timely matter unless a drastic step was taken such as the use of the atomic bomb. The military generals in Japan control the Emperor like a puppet leading him whichever way suits them. As we have outlined in the Potsdam Declaration "We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction." If there is any indication of the Japanese radicalism this is it, even after learning the consequences of continuing this hopeless war they still reject our terms of surrender and continue to fight. We only have one choice to end this fanaticism.

The occupation of Vietnam by the Jap is another undeniable fact that we must address in a swift manner. The Japanese are inducing a massive famine in Vietnam that unless stopped may kill many more. The downfall invasion plan has no clause whatsoever for the reclamation of the Vietnamese islands. While we spend months or even years in Japan the Vietnamese people will continue to suffer, it is of top importance that we end this war swiftly to save as many Vietnamese lives as possible. The Japanese horde what little food is left to grow and the Northern half of the islands native inhabitants are severely emaciated. We cannot allow these Jap dogs to subject another people too such harsh treatment. Not only that but the colony truly belongs to France our ally. If we were to use the atomic bomb Japan would surrender immediately and the United States of America could rush aid to the war torn streets of Vietnam. It is the United States moral obligation to use the atomic bomb on Japan.

The cultural beliefs of the Japanese, and moral obligation of America make it impossible to deny the need to use the atomic bomb. America is fighting a war with a country with savage leadership and undying loyalty to the ways of the old world. We cannot stand by and allow these people to torment the world any longer. It is our duty as a nation to end the Famine in Vietnam and to protect our armed forces from an unnecessary invasion. The Japanese have already been warned of the consequences if they choose not to accept our terms of surrender fully. Now is the time for action, the time to do what we as a country do best, now is a time for Prompt and Utter destruction.


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