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Honestly, I can't think of one reason, other than governments disliking the fact that it makes people ask questions.
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Because stupid people need to be protected from themselves.

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At 10/31/09 06:20 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Because stupid people need to be protected from themselves.

The more you know.

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Because bad trips are dependant on mood, making them somewhat unpredictable and during a bad trip people can harm themselves or others and even get an unhealthy dose of post traumatic disorders.

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At 10/31/09 06:24 AM, LynchedJohNNY wrote:
At 10/31/09 06:20 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Because stupid people need to be protected from themselves.
The more you know.

Who wants to know?

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According to wikipedia, Because it can do damage to the body and mind. But then again, guns do more damage to the body and they're legal.

It must be true if wikipedia says so.

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At 10/31/09 06:25 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: others and even get an unhealthy dose of post traumatic disorders.

never done that during a "bad trip"

Part of the Western impulse has been to subjugate all other cultural styles to our own, and this has taken the form of actually swallowing and digesting other cultures. Native American culture, the multiple ethnicities of European culture have been replaced by the mega-culture Nouveau Europa - whatever that means - cultures are melted down in the belly of the Western scientific beast and become structural members in an ever expanding edifice of Western scientism. However, the psychedelic experience is apparently a bite too large too swallow. They arrived on the Western agenda only about 100 years ago when German chemists brought peyote to Berlin, extracted mescaline and for the next 50 years very little happened. Mescaline did not spawn a craze or influence a large number of intellectuals. Then in the 40s LSD was discovered, in the 50s DMT and psilocybin were discovered and in 1966 all of these things were made illegal, so there was no opportunity for Western science to grapple with these things before they were decided to be too hot to handle. Not only were they unavailable to normal people but also taken off the agenda of scientific research. In the Middle Ages the Church forbid dissections and medical students would steal bodies of war victims and executed prisoners in order to learn human physiology, where that spirit of scientific courage has gone I don't know but there's very little left. Now they feed at the trough of corporate research budgets and government-approved grants, actually pursuing truth or attempting to understand phenomenon in an unbiased fashion divorced from its commercial, social and political dimensions is unheard of.

If you look at thousands of these psychedelic experiences you see that they dissolve boundaries - between you and your past, you and your unconscious that you don't look at, you and your partner, you and the feminine if you're masculine and vice versa, you and the world - all the boundaries we put up to prevent us from feeling our circumstance. Boundary dissolution is the most threatening activity that can go on in a society, governments and institutions become automatically become very nervous. The whole name of the Western game is to create boundaries and maintain them - the church and the state, the poor and the wealthy, the black and the white, the male and the female, the young and the old, the gay and the straight, the living and the dead, the foreign and the familiar - all of these categorical divisions allow a kind of thinking completely cockamamie. Reality is in fact a seamless, unspeakable something and we understand that to perceive it separately is a necessary adjunct to the act of understanding but it is not the end of the program of understanding. The particulate data has to be recombined in a paradigm - a seamless overview of what is happening. The drugs that Western society has traditionally favored are those which maintain boundaries or promote mindless repetitious physical activity on the assembly line, in the slave galley, on the slave-driven agricultural project, in the corporate office - this is why every labor contract on this planet contains a provision that all workers are allowed to use drugs twice a day at designated times, but that drug shall be caffeine. This is because the last three hours of the workday are utterly unproductive unless you goose everybody with coffee so they can go back to the cubicle and mindlessly tap away. Our society is an alcohol, red meat, sugar and tobacco culture - all of these are forms of speed, basically.

There's a lot of tension between the great exploring soul and the assembly line citizen. The citizen is defined by obligation and the boundaries that define the next citizen. The grand exploring soul is marginalized as an eccentric or if necessary more marginalized as mad in some way, as madness up until the point of physical violence means you are behaving in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable thus there is something wrong with you. I think of history as a mass psychedelic experiment and the drug is technology. As technology gets more and more perfected as a mirror of the human mind, the cultural experience becomes more and more hallucinatory. For the past 100 years, boundary dissolution has been underway at every level of Western civilization. As the collectivity of our humanness becomes an intellectual legacy for all of us, there is a dissolving of boundaries of race, status, class, language and the whole of the 20th century has seen a massive acceleration of this. More and more of these membranes are disappearing and what is emerging then is a more and more psychedelic experience, meaning a sense of acceleration of information flow, of rising ambiguity about what it all means, everything seems to carry both a good and detrimental facet, the connectedness of everything is increasing and I will argue that this is a general tendency of the time and space in which we are embedded and we ourselves are a reflection of this. Where is life carrying us? Is it carrying us toward extinction so that the rest of nature can heave an enormous sigh of relief or is it carrying us toward some kind of a transition? If you look back at the history of life, every advance happens suddenly, unpredictably, and in a very short period of time.

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funny since wikipedia makes it sound wonderful, like in the summary, even moreso in earlier versions

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At 10/31/09 06:37 AM, pr0ded wrote:
At 10/31/09 06:25 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: others and even get an unhealthy dose of post traumatic disorders.
never done that during a "bad trip"

"Can" is not the same as "will". Also, how does your transcript address "during a bad trip people can harm themselves or others and even get an unhealthy dose of post traumatic disorders"? Does this transcript argue that can't happen?

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because they can do this on alcohol, and are probably more likely to be violent, even at low doses

so put dose in the factoring

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs /psychedelic_crisis_faq.shtml

and i'm always in a "good" mood, unless i smoke cannabis, and i still don't do any harm

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"because bad trips are dep.."

op made no mention of bad trips

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so why is that one legal?

to protect stupid people? whats that mean? lsd users are stupid? kary mullis, albert hofmann (102 years old).. steve jobs , bill gates, all your favorite contemporary musicians and filmmakers
people who changed a lot
or just stupid people, who can buy booze at the supermarket

if its the former, you've been around to read my repeated statements like that

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LSD is good for your creativity!!! :D


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Arguing drugs in general is like.... I can't think of an analogy, but it's stupid.

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There's the politics forum. If you want to actually debate the subject, I suggest checking it out.

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At 10/31/09 07:07 AM, pr0ded wrote: because they can do this on alcohol, and are probably more likely to be violent, even at low doses
so put dose in the factoring

If I include dose in the factoring then I would also have to include at least two more factors, the first is that you can't always guarantee your getting the same dose because like any illegal substance it can vary between dealers, and on rare occasions even if you buy from the same dealer. The second is moderation, some people take a lot, some don't. These two can be addressed through awareness and regulations. Some other factors are how mentally stable a person is and how LSD affects that particular person.

and i'm always in a "good" mood, unless i smoke cannabis, and i still don't do any harm

Good for you, there are also people who aren't in a "good" mood and there are many people who drink alcohol and don't do any harm as well.

At 10/31/09 07:08 AM, pr0ded wrote: "because bad trips are dep.."

op made no mention of bad trips

Since you quoted one of my posts I naturally assumed your reply was to address mine as well as the negative effects I posted while adding to the thread.

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dose: factoring, applying illegal tendencies to something that would be legal

"good for you"

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Since you quoted one of my posts I naturally assumed your reply was to address mine as well as the negative effects I posted while adding to the thread.

thats nice (more stereotypical culture catchphrases) but that post you made was before i posted in this thread

so spend another hour googling, or spend 12 and gain some experience

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At 10/31/09 07:44 AM, pr0ded wrote: dose: factoring, applying illegal tendencies to something that would be legal

I'm merely explaining the reasoning behind it being illegal. I obviously don't agree with all the reasons and I showed this by stating some that can be easily addressed. You told me to factor dose so I did and explained how unreliable it is under the current circumstances and just to inform you post traumatic disorders and psychotic episodes are not illegal.

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no, you are applying something that happens because it's illegal (inaccurate dosing) to something that would be legal

without even knowing at what dose you could become more likely to be violent

average dose being 50ugs according to the DEA, 5-10 dollars

vs a 5 dollar six pack, drunks like to knock down newspaper boxes, while lsd is used in alcoholic therapy to make them stop drinking

and after 500 hits ingested i havent done shit

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and not to mention many unintelligent people find no point in psychedelics, they don't get that much out of it. like introspection, have little knowledge to introspect on

so they probably wouldn't continue use and attempt large doses

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At 10/31/09 06:20 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Because stupid people need to be protected from themselves.

wow, i was gonna say that
good job

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lol, I just got some yesterday for tonight :3 om nom nom

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At 10/31/09 08:13 AM, tdobbin wrote: lol, I just got some yesterday for tonight :3 om nom nom

lol!! Create a thread about your experience when you get back from your trip :D


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I'm pretty sure it has something to do with anal beads.


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Because of what it did to Syd Barrett.

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At 10/31/09 08:43 AM, Pointy-Circle wrote: Because of what it did to Syd Barrett.

happened after it became illegal (1966), could have been other drugs, like dissociatives, and his sister and others just say its an exaggeration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on,_tu ne_in,_drop_out
or he just wanted not to be famous and dropped out of society

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At 10/31/09 08:04 AM, pr0ded wrote: no, you are applying something that happens because it's illegal (inaccurate dosing) to something that would be legal
without even knowing at what dose you could become more likely to be violent

Would be legal implies an invalid law being passed, I don't think that is the case. As for dosing, I explained it could be easily managed if LSD was legal. You were the one who felt this was a factor for it being illegal, you introduced it so I addressed it stating it could be managed. You are twisting my view that it is not a factor because it can be easily managed and pretending I stated otherwise.

Again and hopefully to end this misconception you have I will state it one more time. The dosage of LSD can be addressed through awareness and regulations. To claim I said any different is delusional.

average dose being 50ugs according to the DEA, 5-10 dollars
vs a 5 dollar six pack, drunks like to knock down newspaper boxes, while lsd is used in alcoholic therapy to make them stop drinking

It's good to see having some therapeutic use. People can binge on just about anything though.

and after 500 hits ingested i havent done shit

Do your experiences account for the the people who have had bad experiences as well? If not, what's your point here?

Also please address the issues of psychotic episodes and post traumatic disorders.

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Can any one tell us about their LSD trip??

There should be a NG meetup where all the users get together around a campfire and sing songs and dance and tell each other about their acid trips.
Wouldn't that be fun!?!?! :D


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