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At 10/30/09 10:30 AM, HeywoodJablome wrote:
At 10/30/09 10:23 AM, Tonsil-Hockey wrote: blah blah mutilation
You should see the strange reactions people get to piercings and tattoos. Total mutilation. It's not normal.

Don't even get me started on plastic surgery! Or even real surgery!

This guy was walking around with only one kidney, freak of nature!

But people make an active choice to get a piercig and tatoo and are aware of the risks.
Children and infants are unaware of the risks of gential mutilation because Its forced on them simply through religious association and tradition. The majority of circumscisions are done in infancy... why is that?


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At 10/30/09 10:23 AM, Tonsil-Hockey wrote: BTW most of the pictures you'll find the normal side effects, such as the scarring and gang green. There is no perfect example of genital mutilation - because it is mutilation without cause, rarely for a medical reason, and rarely inflicted on a consenting adult. Fair?

That site was laughable, I ended up clicking on the "Reasons not to circumcise" and funny enough it said "increased chance of contracting HIV", which according to any other medical research I've looked at is wrong. I'd like to see it's sources. Pediatricians don't treat adults, so obviously he doesn't have to deal with any type of penile issues of an uncircumcised adult. Why is "35 Loss of protection against frostbite" even on there? Whoever made that website is mixing facts with fiction.

Any surgery, no matter how minor, carries some risks.

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At 10/30/09 09:13 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Linkage

Don't they teach source evaluation in schools nowadays?


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There's no need to have the end of your member lopped off as far as I'm concerned. Only if you have a tight foreskin should it ever be considered, but never just arbitrarily.

Some people feel content to pour syrup on shit and call it pancakes their whole lives.


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At 10/30/09 11:21 AM, GuntherHermann wrote:
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Don't they teach source evaluation in schools nowadays?

Nope, would you like to point out what's wrong and why?

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At 10/30/09 10:39 AM, HeywoodJablome wrote:
At 10/30/09 10:35 AM, Tonsil-Hockey wrote: But people make an active choice to get a piercig and tatoo and are aware of the risks.
Children and infants are unaware of the risks of gential mutilation because Its forced on them simply through religious association and tradition. The majority of circumscisions are done in infancy... why is that?
I was mostly concerned on telling you that it's NOT mutilation. Why it's done on infants, well, because of religious and 'hygienic' reasons. I think only the Jews have a plausible reason do it, because they're the only ones directly told to by any God. At least as far as I know.

But its still being done for no reason, shouldn't the child have a voice, and be able to decide if they want it done or not? Oh wait they cant, because there an infant.


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I was circumcised at birth, therefore I have no control over why it happened nor can I change it. I will also never know what having a uncircumcised penis is like, but I'm sure I'd rather be circumcised anyway.

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At 10/30/09 11:35 AM, Tonsil-Hockey wrote: But its still being done for no reason, shouldn't the child have a voice, and be able to decide if they want it done or not? Oh wait they cant, because there an infant.

I gave you a whole list of medicalreasons on the first page.

That's a stupid argument that naysayers always cling to as a last resort. If the kid ended up being blind in one eye and it has a 10% risk of contracting an infection which might become fatal because they didn't operate to take it out, what would you say?

OMG IT'S AN INFANT LEAVE IT ALONE!!! WHAA!!!

No, you'd get the eye removed because the benefits of removing it outweigh the benefits of leaving it in.

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At 10/30/09 11:37 AM, HeywoodJablome wrote:
Yes, true, but if you actually believe that the creator of everything told you so, you'd probably do it too. If you actually believed that is.

But that just implies the religious have no free will, and have the same intellect as a walnut.


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At 10/30/09 11:26 AM, Prinzy2 wrote:
At 10/30/09 11:21 AM, GuntherHermann wrote:
At 10/30/09 09:13 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Linkage
Don't they teach source evaluation in schools nowadays?
Nope, would you like to point out what's wrong and why?

The article is written with religious motivation, not medical or scientific. Being by Dr. Brian J. Morris
from "Circ-Online" I wouldn't be surprised if it was written with ulterior motives of profit, too. Hardly any of the cited references in the article are up to date, all of them being over 10 years old.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you didn't go looking for a neutral, comparative medical article yourself, either. Especially since this was what you settled with.


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At 10/30/09 11:47 AM, Prinzy2 wrote:
No, you'd get the eye removed because the benefits of removing it outweigh the benefits of leaving it in.

But how come in the UK is incredibly rare for a kid to be circumscised, unless theres a serious medical problem, like choking foreskin.

And also the aids rate is the same as the US, even though less of us are circumscised


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There's a good article here. It says that generally men who had circumsions did in fact make sex feel better, although this is of course only one study and you would need more assurance from scientists to confirm this. Basically, from what I've heard, it is better to be circumcised.

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At 10/30/09 11:50 AM, GuntherHermann wrote: The article is written with religious motivation, not medical or scientific. Being by Dr. Brian J. Morris
from "Circ-Online" I wouldn't be surprised if it was written with ulterior motives of profit, too. Hardly any of the cited references in the article are up to date, all of them being over 10 years old.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you didn't go looking for a neutral, comparative medical article yourself, either. Especially since this was what you settled with.

Would a more recent and larger list satisfy you? I should also mention that the dear doctor also set up that circinfo, but he's very well known.

The reason I chose that article is because it was simple to read and navigate. I could have gone straight to http://www.circinfo.net/ , but that's a little much to nitpick at IMO. I doubt Morris is actually Muslim lmao. So yes, it's strictly medical and scientific with no added religion. I'm sure it was written for profit too, now that Wal-mart is in the coffin market there isn't going to be a lot of money made from dead people.

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Female circumcision must be okay then. Same shit.


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At 10/30/09 11:53 AM, Tonsil-Hockey wrote: But how come in the UK is incredibly rare for a kid to be circumscised, unless theres a serious medical problem, like choking foreskin.

Probably the same reason my dad isn't getting the H1N1 vaccine, he thinks the government is out to get him lol. Or the British aren't as informed.

And also the aids rate is the same as the US, even though less of us are circumscised

Could be from any number of things from education to poverty levels, I don't know why.

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Tell me people, why do you cut your penis? Since it's from your body - IT'S GOOD. You won't cut your ears, right?


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Cut. Foreskin creeps me out.


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Go for semi-cut, like me. Gives the advantages of both!

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At 10/30/09 12:39 PM, Tribalfusion-X wrote: Go for semi-cut, like me. Gives the advantages of both!

Sounds stylish, I hang bling blang from my wing wang.

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At 10/30/09 12:11 PM, Prinzy2 wrote:
At 10/30/09 11:50 AM, GuntherHermann wrote: The article is written with religious motivation, not medical or scientific. Being by Dr. Brian J. Morris
from "Circ-Online" I wouldn't be surprised if it was written with ulterior motives of profit, too. Hardly any of the cited references in the article are up to date, all of them being over 10 years old.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume you didn't go looking for a neutral, comparative medical article yourself, either. Especially since this was what you settled with.
Would a more recent and larger list satisfy you? I should also mention that the dear doctor also set up that circinfo, but he's very well known.

The reason I chose that article is because it was simple to read and navigate. I could have gone straight to http://www.circinfo.net/ , but that's a little much to nitpick at IMO. I doubt Morris is actually Muslim lmao. So yes, it's strictly medical and scientific with no added religion. I'm sure it was written for profit too, now that Wal-mart is in the coffin market there isn't going to be a lot of money made from dead people.

See, when I went looking for an article comparing cut up against uncut I didn't find the same page at all. That's why I said I didn't think you had been looking for a neutral article. You can have all the documentation in the world, but if the scientific experiments have been committed by biased people no blind or double blind tests in the world can save it from a peer review. I really can't speak for the actual sources, though - I haven't read any of the works or scientific reports or heard of any of the people in the reference list on the site, so tell me why I should trust them.

And a site which focuses entirely on one subject doesn't have any integrity at risk when passing its articles off as facts. You had it linked from an Islam site at first, which might have some more integrity, but nothing near that of a source which has integrity in multiple fields at stake, such as a news outlet or a mag.

You can't say it's strictly scientific and medicine related then to say it has corporate motives in the next sentence, either. Don't even joke about that. And why would you doubt the alleged Dr. Brian J. Morris is a Muslim unless you know him personally?

Either way for the sake of the argument let's pretend the sources are legitimate and that there are health benefits for removing a piece of skin. Picture how much this would open doors to, but you wouldn't actually be stupid enough to go through with. Toenails for instance are a remnant of when our feet were hands and they serve no practical purpose. Why not just remove them with root and everything at birth? It would save you cutting toenails for your entire life and you would never risk having an ingrown toenail.


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Man I can discuss dicks forever. MM yeah I'm hungry alright.

At 10/30/09 12:46 PM, HeywoodJablome wrote:
At 10/30/09 12:44 PM, GuntherHermann wrote: It would save you cutting toenails for your entire life and you would never risk having an ingrown toenail.
That skin underneath is soft and sensitive. Fuck that.

It's only sensitive because it's never been weathered due to being protected by nails. Just like glans is more sensitive if protected by foreskin.


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uncut is nasty and have weird smell. i hate it.


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Well from my experience of being uncut I can say I am satisfied with my penis. If you say it's true that cut penis you get more pleasure to the point where your legs are flaring around like Micheal J foxes Parkinson's, I don't think thats a good thing for sex I like to please my girlfriend to the point where she cums and stays on her belly moaning of how hard she came. "Makes me feel good inside"

Also uncut penis is thicker and thats what matters, pencil dicks!
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At 10/30/09 12:44 PM, GuntherHermann wrote: You can have all the documentation in the world, but if the scientific experiments have been committed by biased people no blind or double blind tests in the world can save it from a peer review.

If you're trying to be biased, the best way is to omit everything that doesn't agree with your view and pump up everything that does. Considering that Morris has a fair bit of research papers to his name, I'm sure he would have been called out, which he has on a moral level, not scientific.

And a site which focuses entirely on one subject doesn't have any integrity at risk when passing its articles off as facts. You had it linked from an Islam site at first, which might have some more integrity, but nothing near that of a source which has integrity in multiple fields at stake, such as a news outlet or a mag.

No, but the man and his team, and the university they are affiliated with does.

You can't say it's strictly scientific and medicine related then to say it has corporate motives in the next sentence, either. Don't even joke about that. And why would you doubt the alleged Dr. Brian J. Morris is a Muslim unless you know him personally?

Brian J. Morris isn't typically a name associated with Islam, and he hasn't blown himself up. I was going out on a limb, pardon me for speculating on something trivial.

As far as the corporate motives go, bottom line is money, and there isn't much profit in dead people. My assumption of big business is that they want to keep people alive as long as possible so they can take more of their money.

Toenails for instance are a remnant of when our feet were hands and they serve no practical purpose. Why not just remove them with root and everything at birth? It would save you cutting toenails for your entire life and you would never risk having an ingrown toenail.

Because there is billions to be made from toenails, and the benefits of removing them don't vastly outweigh the long term benefits of keeping them. Unlike getting circumcised.

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At 10/30/09 12:56 PM, kimmymaddy wrote: uncut is nasty and have weird smell. i hate it.

Also kimmy, Tell your boyfriend to wash his uncut dick when he finishing masturbating. There is two smells, the natural dick smell which is not bad just the wiff Of normal male genitalia. The other is Nob cheese which is a guy jerks off and don't clean his dick so he lets his man yogurt stay there all day.

Gross.

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OMG that is waay TMI but okay


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This was, previously, gone over in extensive detail in the Politics forum.

However that thread was deleted.

I cannot be bothered sitting and making the same, long arguments, yet again, so I'll just link one of the better sources I used, and let other people do it for me.

Link.


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More unbiased...

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision are not significant enough to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure and that circumcision is not medically necessary.

A man's sexual practices (e.g., if he uses condoms, if he has more than one partner, etc.) has more to do with STD prevention than whether or not he is circumcised.

and

keeping the penis clean can help prevent these problems just as well as circumcision.

So basically the argument here is its better to be circumcised if your too lazy to wear a condom and keep your penis clean.


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Either way they're both dicks. WHOOPEE.
But I must say guys with uncircumcised weewee's keep that thing clean. You're more prone to infection then a guy thats been circumcised.

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