Forum Topic: Athiest's No Afterlife/Heaven?

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At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: But the athiest way that your mind is just gone so you dont think or remember what you did. sooooo whats the point?

The point is feeling good right now. And possibly ensuring a good future for the future generations.

And if I live a life today that I enjoy, I can reminesce over it 20 years later, not having to feel sorry that I didn't do everything I wanted. Sure, in the long run I'll die. But you know, that's life... er, death.

But maybe it all doesn't need to have a point. I don't get depressed over the fact that I'll die. I just look forward to seeing what the world will be like when I'm old and gray and complaining about the ungrateful youth who have it so easy compared to back in the day. Life isn't just memories, life is experiences.

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Heart stops beating, impulses stop being sent, cells die, you are buried or cremated, you are then digested and assimilated by detritivores, or you're left as their waste, when you're assimilated into plant cells, which then go on to feed animals whose heart eventually stops beating, impulses stop being sent, cells die etc...

There is nothing after your heart stops beating and you draw your last breath. NOTHING. I guess the closest you can get to it whilst living is a dreamless sleep, or that period of not remembering anything after you've drunk waaaaay too much.


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At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: Well in the athiest way. Why dont we just do what we want to do?

As already established, the real-life consequences of certain actions are enough to dissuade people from commiting them, coupled with basic morality.

It can be good or bad as long as it made the person happy because if it doesnt make them feel bad then they will feel fine.

Until they get arrested and spend the rest of their life getting assraped in the prison showers. Not to mention the fact that simple morality is enough to make people not want to do things that are likely to get them imprisoned anyway. Honestly, the way you are treating this whole subject just makes it seem like if you didn't have the fear of hell in you, you'd be out murdering and raping as if those kinds of things are what you genuinely desire to do.

Another thing, you describe this bizarre selfish view of the world that you've come up with as "the atheist view", which it most certainly isn't.

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At 10/28/09 06:51 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: But the athiest way that your mind is just gone so you dont think or remember what you did. sooooo whats the point?
The point is feeling good right now.

Yeah, you could look at it this way:

What's better, being a miserable, regretful thief, murderer and rapist and then disappearing into nothingness, or being a satisfied, decent, constructive person and then disappearing into nothingness? Who in their right mind would pick the first option?

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The atheist's motivation stems from a general compassion for his or her own species, which because of evolution and natural selection, he or she innately wishes to protect and nurture, to cause to grow and become a visibly better or more cohesive brotherhood, which can be accomplished through the employment of ethical standards.

The idea that there needs to be some intangible "afterlife" reward in order for people to care about our present state of existence is preposterous, and little more than a veiled form of bribery, which ironically is viewed as an evil in most forms of organized religion. There is no logical reason why we should have any reason to believe that after death, one experiences consciousness -- we have never identified a single credible person who could provide any sort of evidence of this concept's truth. Yet, we do know what it's like to experience absolute lack of consciousness -- people who've experienced comas, or being knocked out by traumatic brain injury almost universally correlate the experience to a timeless, formless, dreamless, lack of any self-awareness.

Judging by the fact that death also involves a lack of brain function, it stands to reason that the most likely scenario for what occurs after death is most akin to unconsciousness; a total non-existence of thought or perception. Not black or white or any color, because we lack any thought to conceive of these concepts.

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I believe that, when you die, you are placed in a coffin which is then nailed shut and buried 6 feet underground.

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Make the most of your life while you can.

Try to be a contributing member to society.

Don't be a dick.

You die and when you die you won't feel or sense shit so obviously nothing will affect you.

Especially not a ridonkulous thought like a euphoric heaven where you worship and praise a "god".

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At 10/28/09 06:51 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: But the athiest way that your mind is just gone so you dont think or remember what you did. sooooo whats the point?
The point is feeling good right now. And possibly ensuring a good future for the future generations.

What about hitler? What he was doing he thought was right. He also became leader of a country. although he probably has some bad moments but would these things he be happy for?

But im not going to go into some deep mental religious thing all im gunna say is Im gunna live a good life because I am good person but Im gunna go to heaven so I can lived with my loved ones in paradise. I dont see anything wrong with this, it just doesnt suck.


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At 10/28/09 07:20 PM, MrPercie wrote: What about hitler? What he was doing he thought was right. He also became leader of a country. although he probably has some bad moments but would these things he be happy for?

Hitler did it for God. I hope now the catholic crosses with the swastika in the centre and references to acting for God on Nazi uniforms make sense now.

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At 10/28/09 07:20 PM, MrPercie wrote:
At 10/28/09 06:51 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: But the athiest way that your mind is just gone so you dont think or remember what you did. sooooo whats the point?
The point is feeling good right now. And possibly ensuring a good future for the future generations.
What about hitler?

Seriously, when are people going to realize hitler wasn't a fucking atheist.

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At 10/28/09 07:20 PM, MrPercie wrote:
But im not going to go into some deep mental religious thing all im gunna say is Im gunna live a good life because I am good person but Im gunna go to heaven so I can lived with my loved ones in paradise. I dont see anything wrong with this, it just doesnt suck.

But how do you know you are going to go to this myth called Heaven? What if you are wrong? What if it is really the flying spaghetti monster that created us all and he plans on sending you to spaghetti hell? That is the problem with all these different religions, they all say the other ones are wrong! A higher entity may have created us but there is no such thing as heaven and hell.

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At 10/28/09 07:20 PM, MrPercie wrote: What about hitler? What he was doing he thought was right. He also became leader of a country. although he probably has some bad moments but would these things he be happy for?

Do you realize what happened to Hitler? He committed a suicide in a bunker and left an entire nation in ruins and eternal guilt. You can't possibly suggest that he lived his life rationally or played his cards well. He saw the demise of his own tyranny and he's the perfect example of why his kind of behavior is not worth the trouble.

Furthermore, Hitler made several times the statement that he believed he was doing the work of God. He claimed that God had made Aryans the supreme race, so he had a religious motivation for his atrocities as well.

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At 10/28/09 07:20 PM, MrPercie wrote: What about hitler? What he was doing he thought was right.

Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

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But im not going to go into some deep mental religious thing all im gunna say is Im gunna live a good life because I am good person but Im gunna go to heaven so I can lived with my loved ones in paradise. I dont see anything wrong with this, it just doesnt suck.

Well here's a tricky question for you. Say one of your loved ones did not believe in god and ended up going to hell; could you be eternally happy in heaven knowing they were suffering endlessly at the same time?

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At 10/28/09 07:35 PM, Victory wrote: Well here's a tricky question for you. Say one of your loved ones did not believe in god and ended up going to hell; could you be eternally happy in heaven knowing they were suffering endlessly at the same time?

From what I recall in reading The Inferno, God made the people who live in Heaven incapable of feeling compassion or sorrow for the damned in Hell. That way, they could easily enjoy their eternity in heaven.

Yes, I am an atheist, but I just figured i'd point that out.

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At 10/28/09 07:40 PM, AndrewGlisson13 wrote: God made the people who live in Heaven incapable of feeling compassion or sorrow for the damned in Hell.

Welcome to Heaven, where we destroy everything that makes you human.

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Wow, MrPercies the biggest religion idiot I've seen since studmuffin. (Although studmuffin still wins)


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At 10/28/09 07:42 PM, AapoJoki wrote:
At 10/28/09 07:40 PM, AndrewGlisson13 wrote: God made the people who live in Heaven incapable of feeling compassion or sorrow for the damned in Hell.
Welcome to Heaven, where we destroy everything that makes you human.

I feel that same, but as I said, I only wanted to point that out.

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At 10/28/09 07:35 PM, Victory wrote: Gott mit uns.

I certainly do!

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At 10/28/09 07:40 PM, AndrewGlisson13 wrote: From what I recall in reading The Inferno, God made the people who live in Heaven incapable of feeling compassion or sorrow for the damned in Hell. That way, they could easily enjoy their eternity in heaven.

Yes, I am an atheist, but I just figured i'd point that out.

And I thought I'd point out if the committee that compiled the bible decided they weren't going to include it then it's not a religious text and therefore not applicable unless a preacher decides it is, then it is considered factual scripture until/unless another religious leader decides it's not then it may not be considered scripture if that religious leader is higher up in hierarchy, then that church can splinter from the main body and consider it scripture again.

Sound reasonable?

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At 10/28/09 07:40 PM, AndrewGlisson13 wrote: From what I recall in reading The Inferno, God made the people who live in Heaven incapable of feeling compassion or sorrow for the damned in Hell. That way, they could easily enjoy their eternity in heaven.

Hm, doesn't sound much like free will to me..

Why not just get a lobotomy?

At 10/28/09 07:47 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:
At 10/28/09 07:35 PM, Victory wrote: Gott mit uns.
I certainly do!

Oh lol.

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At 10/28/09 05:06 PM, Master117chief wrote: And about murdering and raping, i don't because i have this thing called brain.

That much is apparent.


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You rot in a hole in the ground for the rest of eternity.
It's not lack of religion, it's science.
As to what happens with your mind, you may just go unconscious, or some believe you're reincarnated.

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I think that you die and then there is nothing.

Humans can't comprehend nothing.

Think about it this way. When you die, everything will be like before you were created. Before you were a zygote, or even a gamete.

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There isn't anything because your body doesn't work at all. You wouldn't see anything, It's not like you're lying in a coffin being really bored. The reason we don't rape and steal is becasue WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE DAMN IT. We won't cause someone to suffer just becasue ther will be a slight or no conseqence.

Well some will, but that's not got anything to do with them being atheist.

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At 10/28/09 06:44 PM, MrPercie wrote: sooooo whats the point?

You're making us seem very selfish now. We do things for the good of the future, we do things to feel good now. just because life isn't eternal doesn't mean we can't make the most of it, in fact it's all the more reason to make the most of it. Are you saying that as a christian you would do a good dead purely fot the reqard of heaven, and not just to help somone/ yourself?

And Bolo, I aplaude your contribution to the thread :)

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At 10/28/09 05:03 PM, VitaminP wrote:
At 10/28/09 05:00 PM, MrPercie wrote: Is it just blackness?
Yep
Because I always wondered that if there was no hell then why dont I just rape, murder and steal if I wont have to suffer for it when I die
Because there is a little thing called being a dick.

No, it's not just blackness.

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At 10/28/09 05:31 PM, Ranchero wrote: I've been posed this question (Why not go out and be horrible?) before and it made me realize... I am morally superior to Christians.

So, how's the weather up there on your pedestal?


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I'm atheist and i believe After death there nothing, you don't excess any more. It like you sleep forever. and the reason you don't kill or rape anyone because it wrong. you mean the only reason you don't go and rape that hotty is because youll burn in hell. that a much of crap.

At 10/28/09 05:00 PM, MrPercie wrote: Well because athiest's believe there is no god, heaven or hell then what happens when they die? is it just blackness? Because I always wondered that if there was no hell then why dont I just rape, murder and steal if I wont have to suffer for it when I die (unless I am captured by the cops but I will still have done things to make me happy). Im not trying to force any christian or other religious beliefs but I know many people here on newgrounds are athiest (what i know of) so what do you expect when you die?
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People who belive in God live 7 years longer than people who don't. It's a FACT look it up.

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If you think of death as something you aren't consciously aware of when it's happening, it's comforting. Like, when you die, everything dies with you, so you wouldn't even know it happened. It's like sleeping, but forever.

You don't exist anymore, so you can't comprehend if you aren't existing.

Maybe that just comforts *me*.

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