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Capitalism has a major flaw in that it produces nothing but problems, however, this topic is not about capitalism. I'm actually doing an experiment to test my theory that a large number of posters simply reads the subject title of the topic and never the body message. It won't matter if you post about this being a ploy further down, because I think that people who only read the subject of the topic also don't read any replies to see if their argument has already been made. It shall be interesting to see exactly who does these kinds of things.

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You might get better results around here with a 'communism sucks' test.

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rabble rabble

they took er jobs

rabble rabble

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The thing about capitalism is that it'll always exist on some level so long as you have an exchange of goods. It doesn't matter what the currency is, it'll still exist there, so I suppose it depends on your primary motivator is for all of this. And I mean, you could really say a lot about this stuff, but that's really what it is when you get down to it.

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Well Drakim, to begin with, general "facts" about the economic world are, as anyone who has followed the discussions in capitalist philosophy of social science will be aware, hardly the uncontroversial matter that the capitalists represent them to be. Facts are stated in languages, and so long as there is no single general theory on which a consensus has formed within and among the relevant communities of investigators in any of the major domains of economic life, the languages, and hence the facts -- not to mention the "general laws" -- of the social "sciences" are up for debate.

Unless the capitalists want to take a firm position on, say, the century-old understanding/explanation debates -- and build that position into their "freestanding" political liberalism -- he will have to leave open the possibility that social and political inquiry has an ineliminable interpretive dimension and thus that what the general facts about social life are cannot be settled from the standpoint of a neutral observer or a reflective equilibrator. If "realistic" capitalist theory cannot be pursued without incorporating into it knowledge of the general characteristics of the social systems to which it is meant to apply, then political theory will have to get involved in just the sorts of interpretive-historical and social-theoretical disagreements which, in its self-understanding as normative theory, it hopes to avoid. Also, ketchup.

And interpretive approaches to the human world typically place more and different weight on historical modes of inquiry than do capitalist or communist approaches. Hermeneutic understanding is inherently historical: it aims to comprehend social phenomena as historical phenomena, often in narrative terms. But then the capitalist's strict separation of "general" from "particular" knowledge of society become problematic, if, as hermeneutically inclined social theorists maintain, general information about society always comes, even if often only tacitly, with an historical index.

If capitalist theorists do not dispose of interpretation-free "facts" in the way that the communists intend, neither do they have conflict-free "values" at their disposal. The capitalists themselves explicitly characterize the political values that their conception of justice seeks to articulate as belonging to the public political culture of a particular historical society and not to some ideal realm beyond the world. But then it follows that, as such, they do not come with fixed, clear, uncontested meanings; rather, they have to be interpretively worked up from the variable, particular, often conflictual political contexts in which they figure.

As a result, the basic terms of their political conception cannot but reflect and project the particular forms of life and situations of conflict from which they are prepared; and they must be understood and assessed in relation to them. It makes no sense to suppose that we could insulate their construction from the conflicts of interpretation and evaluation endemic to our public political culture, our conjunctural movements, our economic and political practices and institutions. Working them up theoretically via reflective equilibrium or rational reconstruction cannot remove the traces of their conflictual origins.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
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...And so begins the intellectual snooze-fest ramblings.

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hahahaha
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don't feed the troll. let this thread die in peace.

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At 10/26/09 02:14 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: don't feed the troll. let this thread die in peace.

No one is going to listen to you. No one ever listens to someone who says don't feed the trolls.

Really, it doesn't make a difference. Afterall, you're feeding him right now.

And so i am. Difference is that i don't care.. Thus not hypocritical.

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At 10/26/09 03:12 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:
At 10/26/09 02:14 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: don't feed the troll. let this thread die in peace.
No one is going to listen to you. No one ever listens to someone who says don't feed the trolls.

Really, it doesn't make a difference. Afterall, you're feeding him right now.

And so i am. Difference is that i don't care.. Thus not hypocritical.

Just posting in the thread isn't feeding the troll. Arguing with the troll is feeding him. Bumping the thread only raises the potential for others to feed the troll.

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Well, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism are all basically dead. What else is there to use besides Capitalism?

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At 10/30/09 05:08 PM, puddinN64 wrote: Well, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism are all basically dead. What else is there to use besides Capitalism?

A moneyless society. Contrary to popular belief, personal freedom isn't obliterated with an absence of currency.

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Who the dickens bumped this?

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At 10/30/09 05:32 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:
At 10/30/09 05:08 PM, puddinN64 wrote: Well, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism are all basically dead. What else is there to use besides Capitalism?
A moneyless society. Contrary to popular belief, personal freedom isn't obliterated with an absence of currency.

So how do we transfer to a moneyless society? Saying that it's the best version doesn't really show anything unless there is a way to transfer to it, and keep an idea on how to prevent the foreseeable issues such as:

What drives the society to improve and create new innovations?
How does the society work with trade?
How does the society operate on a daily basis?


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At 10/30/09 08:38 PM, ReiperX wrote: So how do we transfer to a moneyless society? Saying that it's the best version doesn't really show anything unless there is a way to transfer to it, and keep an idea on how to prevent the foreseeable issues such as:

What drives the society to improve and create new innovations?
How does the society work with trade?
How does the society operate on a daily basis?

Historically, the only alternative to capital has been barter and, of course, money is simply an abstraction of bartering that is much more convenient. People are driven by worldly possessions and there is no way to remove this drive without creating a new kind of humanity.

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How in the hell did this work?

Ketchup

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is it just me or is there an irony in people using technology to whine about how they don't like capitalism? of course, the biggest irony of all is Michael Moore using the capitalist system to get rich and then turn around and whine about not liking the system. is that irony or hypocrisy? perhaps both.

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What an interesting topic...
and dating all the way back to 2003, even more amazing.

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oh nut crackers!
*reading wrong date*
*wishes there was either edit or delete post buttons*

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split it from materialism or go back to feudalism, while utilizing communist technology

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according to the government
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"

then your computers are communist technology

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Capitalism obviously doesn't suck, and this thread and OP are moronic.

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I dub this thread a great success, as there are ample subjects here to prove my theory.

Thank you newgrounds <3

Capitalism sucks

The universe looks so complex that it must have been designed? Do you have some sort of complexity scale to measure this, or are you just going by gut feeling?


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At 10/31/09 02:57 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: I did read the entire body. So maybe I should not answer but anyways... Its not the political systems that suck. Its people that suck.

And political systems are made up of people. And therefore suck as well.

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At 10/31/09 04:09 PM, OddlyPoetic wrote:
At 10/31/09 02:57 PM, Rasta2009 wrote: I did read the entire body. So maybe I should not answer but anyways... Its not the political systems that suck. Its people that suck.
And political systems are made up of people. And therefore suck as well.

It's not so much that people suck, but to reiterate a major point of Dostoevsky's writings, people are irrational. If people were perfectly rational, a socialist utopia or an anarcho-capitalist utopia would be able to flourish, but people aren't rational all the time. Thus any political system has to take this into account.

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At 10/31/09 10:49 AM, Drakim wrote: I dub this thread a great success, as there are ample subjects here to prove my theory.

Thank you newgrounds <3

FTFY

I read your post, and omg aren't you just so clever.

And isn't it convenient that you used capitalism as the title, demonstrating how all right wingers are jsut liek so stupid and they have proved ur point LOLZ

when in reality socialism apologists would have reacted exactly the same.

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If you hate Capitalism then go North Korea. Life is about competition without competition we will not 360s,wiis, and ultra face melting laptops. We need competition to survive with it we all be animal fling poo at each other.

Capitalism sucks

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At 10/31/09 08:51 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: FTFY

aw, somebody is poopy because he made himself a fool in front of everybody :(

The universe looks so complex that it must have been designed? Do you have some sort of complexity scale to measure this, or are you just going by gut feeling?


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At 10/30/09 05:08 PM, puddinN64 wrote: Well, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism are all basically dead. What else is there to use besides Capitalism?

Fascism is not a economy, and the Nazi economy was doing so good that there was an attempted government coup during the 30's in America to change to the Nazi's economy (which is just Socialist, the National is just supposed to be for the greatness of the people IIRC).

Pure Capitilism is a failure in essence, because of monopolies, company owners decide to sell there companies to the bigger more successful ones so they don't swept in the dust, that eventually whole industries are just one company and one man regulates the price of that particular product, like Oil or Steel. Thats why monopolies are outlawed in the US, which is a Communist move as that deprives more free market from the people, case and point: The government made Apple and Microsoft make there products adaptable to Mac's and PC's so that consumers aren't forced to buy there computers to be able to use these products.

Now, Socialism appears to be the best economy, its Capitalism and Communism mixed, its just Communism with Free Enterprise, which is what Capitilism is, Socialist countries always seem to be doing pretty well especially when there getting out of the shithole of war. That's the other problem with Capitilism, when your getting out of a disaster, its incredibly difficult to get the country back out to its former glory, you see Obama and Roosevelt having to do Communist moves (like taking over companies) to get out of a disaster.


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At 10/31/09 09:52 PM, Drakim wrote:
At 10/31/09 08:51 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: FTFY
aw, somebody is poopy because he made himself a fool in front of everybody :(

no you moron, I read your post before posting, it's just a stupid thread

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