Of course there exists oppression of the minority in almost any country. Ever heard of Ku Klux Klan? However, saying that it's the rule is quite ignorant when talking about countries such as for example Malaysia. While there sure are some islamic laws there, the government is far more secular than for example Poland, and amongst the populace, today there seem to be few problems in most part of malaysia. I've been there, both in urban and rural areas, and there seemed to be far less bigotry and racism there than you'll find in both Europe and America. One muslim family we lived with were going to celebrate christmas with their christian neighbours.
So what? I didn't say that all muslims are minority-slaying extremist, did I? Did you read what I wrote about muslims i knew and so on?
Of course there exists bigotry there to, but to say that it's "the rule" more than it is in the southern states of the US is quite ignorant.
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Ok, so you compare the southern US with countries like, let's say... Saudi Arabia.
Man, you are beyond repair. That's cultural relativism to the extreme. No comment on that.
I agree that islam today is far more radical than christianity today (could have something to do with christians not caring about half the bible anymore), but keep it on a rational level and don't generalize where you don't have to.
And if you're going to refer to your own 'studies' or whatever you want to call it, at least get the facts somewhat right.
Whatever. I answered that argument already a few times. Did you even get my point?
You shouldn't believe that you have the right of free thinking, it's a threat to our democracy.
Oho, how philosophic.
It's a bit silly to say that any one group 'invented' genocide.
As I said before, the genocide doesn't belong in that theme anyways.
So, it's a bad thing if they're intolerant of Christian beliefs, but A-OK if British people are intolerant of Muslim beliefs?
So you call the countless mosques, the burquas on the streets, the countless extra-treatments muslim minorities have demanded - and recieved - in western europe as "intolerant"?
Okay:
And do not dispute with the followers of the Book [Christians and Jews] except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.
That's from the Qu'ran.
Oh, I just wish the extremists would follow more that sura - honestly. But up to today they seem to follow more the suras of that kind:
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends..."
"[8:12] Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger."
You can't define any one belief as 'intolerant' or 'oppressive'. It's all down to interpretation.
Exactly, I fully agree with you. The thing is there is still an intolerance against reform in the whole islamic world against different thoughts or - god forbid - reforms. =O
As I stated above, clerics who support that (and they exist) don't have a secure life any more.
I'll admit that the Qu'ran has its fair share of sketchy stuff. But so does every Holy Book.
Yeah, too bad the extremists keep focusing on the violent parts, huh? Maybe that's the case in any religion. But still - in western culture one can criticize the bible without getting death threats from the bible belt.
And, I may stress that again, where are the muslim demonstrations against violence following a sucide attack?
Yeah, how dare they set up their own courts that need only be used if both parties involved agree to it.
So you support their racist and misoygynistic judicature? That's great - how about we just dismiss enlightenment itself and have a whole islamic state? That sure would benefit "community cohesion"! Yay!
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Seriously, are you nuts? I hope it's just naivety that you write something like that - it's not clear to you that women are going to be forced into these courts right? "...if both parties are agreeing"- jeez. How naive are you? Ever had a look at the Sharia?
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not suprising, seeing as turkey is aiming at becoming a major player in the EU, and its people worry about cultural assimilation causing a loss of distinctive identity - the turks want to be turkish, not a generic eurostate.. atleast, so says the turkish guy that works in the kebab shop down the road... go figure.
So... it's okay for you that they (or their government) actually want to join a union with western european values, founded by western european countries in western europe and benefit from its economical advantages - but hell no they're going to adapt themselves! Either the other way round! May I show you a quote of the current turkish prime minister?
Democracy is just a train we ride until we've reached our goals. The mosques are our caserns, the minatetts our bayonets, the domes are our helmets and the believers are our army.
Riiight, that's the base we need for trustful cooperation. Funny thing that he was actually tried in Turkey for that statement - many people in Turkey oppose further islamisation of their country. Which is, I believe, pretty important for one to do so.
