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Posted at: 10/30/09 01:39 AM

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Yeah dude. Futuristic Femme Fatale Inque.

Batman Beyond was such a good show. Maybe I'm a biased child of the 90's, but it had so much more balls than the shit on cartoon network today.

Suggestions noted, I'll try to keep it out of the cliche zone.

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Hey, is this alright for my story?

Angrily he approached the front door and banged at it. He banged at it again. There was no answer. He lifted his feet and kicked the door. "Where the hell are you! What do you want from me!" He decided to continue his search past the wheat field where he had stopped his journey yesterday. The sun was low in the sky. It was an hour or two away from sunset. How long had he slept? He walked down a small dirt path covered with leaves and moss until he came to a river. Standing next to the river was a man wearing black leather boots.

"Rick? About time I found you! What the hell are you doing?" Rick stood motionless, staring into the roaring waves of the river. The man walked to Rick and called out his named once more. Rick did not answer. He grabbed Ricks shoulder to get his attention. Rick positioned his knife to the man's neck and stared him in the eye as if he was a demon. "You think you are so fucking smart don't you. You think you got it all planned out you sick FUCK," Rick spat. "Your pretty god damn lucky none of us remember anything because if we did I would of sliced your throat the first chance I got. You ever feel a knife to your skin? The sharp blade tearing your flesh apart and the blood pumping from your veins." The man stared at Rick with fear and surprise. "Rick... I don't understand. Wha-" The man tried to say something more but Rick cut him off and tightened his grip around his neck. "YOU don't understand? YOU are confused? I've been stuck in this god forsaken place for months, hiding, running, starving. You haven't even seen the things that pop out in the dark have you? You've just had your life handed to you on a silver platter. You haven't had to work for your mistakes. Your fucking experiments. You haven't seen your friends lungs ripped out of his own ribcage by a thousand claws. The silver teeth of the devil tearing the muscles from his skin." Rick grinned and he laughed with hatred. "Yet you are the cause for this fucking wasteland. What do you get for all of this? A couple of cuts and a nap! HAHAHAHA! Im going to tear your eyes from your miserable face and shove them down your throat you son of a bitch." Ricks eyes filled with tears and he let go of the man, stepped away from him, and put his hands over his face. "They're all dead! Every single one of em'. I saw those things. I saw that chamber where you came from. I thought you were just another survivor but I know who you truly are now. We followed your footprints through the woods and found that dark room. They were hiding. Waiting. Screaming. Scratching their claws against the floor. Tom was the first to go. You would have enjoyed watching his skin being ripped off by your pets wouldn't you? And that poor girl... once David saw her dead he couldn't take it. He shot himself in the head. Then those THINGS ripped him to shreds. Sean and I ran. Sean didn't make it. Those were the only people I knew. Those were the only people I trusted. And now they are gone. All of this is because of you! You sick FREAK! Im going to fucking kill you!" A large noise erupted into the air and echoed down the river. Rick stopped in his tracks and collapsed to the ground. The man stood with a gun in his hand, one bullet missing from the clip. It was the same gun that Rick had given him earlier to use for protection.

The sun set in the sky and the man dropped the gun to the ground. He screamed into the dark blue air and beat his fist against a tree. "God Dammit Rick. God dammit." He began to cry. The tears rolled down his dirty cheeks and fell into the puddle of blood against his feet. He walked beside the river not knowing where he was headed. The sun disappeared behind the horizon, and darkness filled the sky.

He walked along the riverbank. The river was going very fast. The ripples in the water bubbled and turned and followed the man into the night. The trees around him stood motionless. There were millions of stars visible in the sky yet the moon was nowhere to be found. The man paid no attention to these surroundings. He just stared at his feet while walking to nowhere. He felt nothing. No emotions. No grief, fear, hope, happiness, just nothingness. He stared into his reflection in the river and kicked it with his scraped feet. A loud screech interrupted his thoughts. He spun around and looked towards the direction of the violent noise. Another screech sounded, this time much louder and coming from another direction. He looked and saw nothing. It was too dark to tell. He stared into the trees behind him. A large figure emerged from the woods.

It snarled and gasped. Its feet pierced the ground and twisted and churned. Its body vibrated, its stomach opened and closed, and it moaned a loud roar into the night air. The man's heart beated and his blood flowed. He started to shake. Then their eyes met. The shadow stared at the man and leaped its arms forward. The man ran. He ran as fast as he could and didn't look back. The sound of a thousand nightmares followed him. It dug into the ground and launched through the night air, piercing its throbbing claws into the man's back. The man gasped for air as blood dripped down his face. He fell sideways and they went into the raging river.

The river bubbled and rolled their bodies violently past shadows running on the bank. Black dots and bubbles engulfed his thoughts. His lungs filled with water and his hip bone shattered against a rock. He twisted and turned under the water. The black shadow that hunted him in the night disappeared in the water behind him. He passed out.

The man hurled down the river. His body turned and toiled. He came to the waterfall and fell out into the cold night air. He did not fall downwards, however, because there was no ground below him. The waterfall went out into space. He floated out into the black abyss as droplets of water and blood followed his shredded body. The floating island grew smaller behind him. Soon it was just a speckle in the endless sea of darkness. His body turned to ice and shattered in the cold blackness of space. Nothing could be seen other than the black marbles of the dark.

***This will be about 3 minutes long. Animated by Denzel-Crocker while i do the special effects for blood and things. Orange. How does it sound?***

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To me, it sounds like an anime spectacle of constant "WTF" turned drama...there's not so much "noir" as there is "events happening one after another that don't make sense."

I'm going to break this down, paragraph by paragraph when I'm a little more sober...but at the moment, I'm just not digging the randomly unestablished outbursts that are going on at the time. Like, really, as the short begins, we're supposed to begin on a more-or-less blank slate, and in this short, it seems like an episode straight out of the middle of an anime, that's had weeks and weeks and months to develop the climax it set itself up for....and what kind of a climax is it? Y'know....

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You don't have to, Im most likely going to use it unless the collab owner says otherwise. It is more poetic and needs to be animated in order to understand it fully. But thanks for you opinion.

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I just want you to understand I'm not trying to be a dick or anything...lemme show you why I'm not diggin' this.

At 10/31/09 11:48 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:
Angrily he approached the front door and banged at it... ~ ...man wearing black leather boots.

Instead of setting up the conflict, so the story tells itself in a fashion that the audience can follow right along from beginning to end, the audience is watching a situation unfold that seems to have already established the conflict and the character's motivations earlier. Counting off in my head, the river guy comes in twenty seconds in, so it could be around this time that things should start getting clearer...maybe introduce the character, explain why he's pissed off, and who's house this is in the field that he takes great interest in.

Additionally, it could've helped your story if you pitched it by establishing what the guy that's banging on the door looks like. Even with how he's dressed could shed some light on who he is, or hint at what he's after.

"Rick? About time I found you! What the hell are you doing?" Rick stood motionless, staring into the roaring waves of the river... ~ ...The man stood with a gun in his hand, one bullet missing from the clip. It was the same gun that Rick had given him earlier to use for protection.

First off, roaring waves of a river? It's a river; not a beach. Secondly, how could it visually establish that one bullet is missing from the clip, and how does the audience know that Rick was given the gun earlier for protection? That only concretes my opinion that we were given something that's already had all this backstory, and the audience isn't seeing shit of it. It's true, Quentin Tarentino set up similar scenarios, but they always had a pay-off. Like...step back and see this from afar for a second; guy is pissed off. Wants inside a house that nobody occupies at the moment. See's Rick chilling by the river. Tries to get Rick's attention, and Rick spins around spitting off an expository monologue while wielding a knife and cursing like a Deadite madman.

With all of the cursing going on that doesn't have a clear backing, or a pre-established reason why he's going off on this guy, it comes off as juvenile instead of scary. I can tell that you're trying to make this shocking because Rick saw something so incredibly fucked up that he's acting out of character, but for the audience, this is our first impression of the character, so we're left to assume he's just a crazy asshole with a knife.

The sun set in the sky and the man dropped the gun to the ground. He screamed into the dark blue air and beat his fist against a tree. "God Dammit Rick. God dammit." He began to cry. The tears rolled down his dirty cheeks and fell into the puddle of blood against his feet. He walked beside the river not knowing where he was headed. The sun disappeared behind the horizon, and darkness filled the sky.

Wait, what? He shoots Rick out of self defense, punches a tree, and mourns his (apparently, because we're left to assume) friend for a whopping ten seconds at most, and just leaves him there while he takes a nature stroll? Again, our first impression of Rick is he's a crazy asshole with a knife. This right here only downplays his death even further...like it's no big deal, even though a guy just got shot.

He walked along the riverbank. The river was going very fast. The ripples in the water bubbled and turned and followed the man into the night. The trees around him stood motionless. There were millions of stars visible in the sky yet the moon was nowhere to be found. The man paid no attention to these surroundings. He just stared at his feet while walking to nowhere. He felt nothing. No emotions. No grief, fear, hope, happiness, just nothingness.

Why.

He stared into his reflection in the river and kicked it with his scraped feet.

I thought the river was going so fast the water was frothy and bubbly...this is inconsistent.

A loud screech interrupted his thoughts.

What kind of a screech? Just like above with "A loud noise" could've just as easily been "A gunshot" and just got right to the point. Noir doesn't mean you have to make everything vague. :P

He spun around and looked towards the direction of the violent noise. Another screech sounded, this time much louder and coming from another direction. He looked and saw nothing. It was too dark to tell. He stared into the trees behind him. A large figure emerged from the woods.

It snarled and gasped. Its feet pierced the ground and twisted and churned. Its body vibrated, its stomach opened and closed, and it moaned a loud roar into the night air. The man's heart beated and his blood flowed. He started to shake. Then their eyes met. The shadow stared at the man and leaped its arms forward. The man ran. He ran as fast as he could and didn't look back. The sound of a thousand nightmares followed him. It dug into the ground and launched through the night air, piercing its throbbing claws into the man's back. The man gasped for air as blood dripped down his face. He fell sideways and they went into the raging river.

It was at this moment that I began questioning how this is, in any way, related to Lady Noir.

The river bubbled and rolled their bodies violently past shadows running on the bank. Black dots and bubbles engulfed his thoughts. His lungs filled with water and his hip bone shattered against a rock. He twisted and turned under the water. The black shadow that hunted him in the night disappeared in the water behind him. He passed out.

You're describing things that would be good for a book. How are you going to express this visually in animation? Moreover, I hope you realize how incredibly difficult it is to animate water, even if it is in black in white. So the animator is going to have to draw out
-Black dots and bubbles engulfing his thoughts.
-His lungs filling with water
-his hip bone shattering against a rock, which is presumably submerged.

The man hurled down the river. His body turned and toiled. He came to the waterfall...

...There's a waterfall near this wheat field from before?

...and fell out into the cold night air. He did not fall downwards, however, because there was no ground below him. The waterfall went out into space. He floated out into the black abyss as droplets of water and blood followed his shredded body. The floating island grew smaller behind him. Soon it was just a speckle in the endless sea of darkness. His body turned to ice and shattered in the cold blackness of space. Nothing could be seen other than the black marbles of the dark.

...........Again, there's really nothing coherent with this...it's all incredibly random, poorly established, senseless brain fart. It's not so much "Noir" as it is a "Sam Raimi-ish horror short" and there's no Lady Noir at all...not even a feminine figure who could be interpreted as Lady Noir, and even if there was, it would be mismatched. We got cities and guns, cities and guns, cities and guns, and then we got wheat-fields and Man Bear Pig in the shadows.

It would be interesting as a standalone project....and checking out Crocker's stuff, it'll be neat getting him to do something other than hentai...but for some of the things you've written in this synopsis, they need time to flesh out and leave an impact with the audience, otherwise an already bewildering and random chain of events are going by so fast, that not only will the audience become confused, but they eventually give up, and stop trying to understand.

Keep this project, don't throw it away...but those are my two cents.

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@eagle- yo man unfortunately we have just had another new addition so i gotta cap it off at that. not tryin to be a dick or anything but just to keep this thing relatively small.

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synopsis-(no talking) we see lady noir stealthily breakining into a museum type thing..she takes this giant diamond/gem/jewel type thing and as she is leaving she is grabbed by a security guard/cop....she is put into the cop car in handcuffs and driven away.....

they arrive at the station, take lady noir out of the cop car...and notice something strange on her neck...a zipper.....

they pull the zipper revealing a female cop with her mouth tied up (think mission impossible mask)

else where lady noir is tearing off her cop mask and making away, untraced, with the gem in hannd.

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so thats what i got..i plan to do it all in a very stylized way which should b pretty cool!

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Wohohoho... So this has to be Lady Noir? LOL NO WONDER! i wasnt trying to be lady noir at all. Sorry about that and thank you for your detailed review.

ill get started on a much better and less confusing story then that is actually LADY NOIR. Dear oh dear how stupid I am!

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Stupid computer, it has the motherboard all fucked up...godamnit, I'm going to have to install flash on this piece of crap if I want to be part of this collab xD

Just a little question before I begin writing my part, is there going to be any sequence? if so, who get's each part? like who gets to make the ending and so.

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when i receive the parts i will put them in the order they best flow in...if that makes sense...if someone is really gear towards her past and her origin story then maybe that one can start..

or if someone is doing her death....idk...it depends what people wanna make.

but it doesnt necessarily have to be a story in order....more so of just a chronicling of some events in her life..

idk. ya

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A prime example would be the Loc-Nar from the Heavy Metal movie. Each animated segment were cast differently, set in their own unique time-period, in their own continuity, done absolutely different from one another...but what kept them connected was the Loc-Nar's ominous presence in each short.

This excites me so much, so so much much^^


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At 11/2/09 05:21 PM, denzel-crocker wrote:
This excites me so much, so so much much^^

Than work with FatKid to help better structure a Noir short that revolves around "Lady Noir"

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At 11/2/09 06:03 PM, Phobotech wrote:
At 11/2/09 05:21 PM, denzel-crocker wrote:
This excites me so much, so so much much^^
Than work with FatKid to help better structure a Noir short that revolves around "Lady Noir"

has the lady been designed? or am do i make my own impression for my part...


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Yeah I am a bit confused on what you mean by lady noir. is each colored assigned a specefic part like the birth or the death?

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At 11/2/09 06:09 PM, denzel-crocker wrote: Kid to help better structure a Noir short that revolves around "Lady Noir"

has the lady been designed? or am do i make my own impression for my part...

Earlier in the thread we were discussing character traits, but we're giving everyone creative license on how she visually looks. Have at it!

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Cartoons in the 90's were filled with Lady Noir's. I had no idea how much of my childhood was influenced by Femme Fatales.

Where in the world...

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yes create your own interpretation of her! the color you are assigned, isnt linked to a certain event...just what ever one of her stories you want to tell go ahead and tell it!!

Now that i feel liek we are all Sorta on the same page (haha) i would like to throw out the week after xmas for a due date...maybe around the 27th? how does that sound to you fellas?

the quality is of the utmost importance

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At 11/2/09 11:40 PM, RedHarvest wrote:
the quality is of the utmost importance

I agree completely. Remember to break the rules! Don't do what thousands of Newgrounds animators do and set every shot up like a side-scrolling game. Mix up the camera shots;

Master Shot/Establishing shot - The frame is mostly dominated by the scenery
Full Shot - You can see the character from their head to their toes.
Medium Shot - From mid-thigh of the character to their head
Medium Close Up - From about the waist to their head
Close Up - From about the collar-bone/shoulders up.
Extreme Close Up - Where the frame is dominated by something that's ordinarily small.

SWITCH UP THE SHOTS. DO NOT GET REPETITIVE WITH WHAT SHOTS YOU USE. Use dramatic angles, pull-back reveals...if it means animating the entire shot into a movie clip, and tweening the clip closer, or farther, than so be it. This flash is supposed to push and challenge your animating and story-telling abilities.

If you need any advice, or any help at all, ask each other! This is a collaborative effort, not a few users submitting shorts into one submission.

I WILL help you out with your story. I check this thread every day, so please. Ask, if you feel you need help.

This shit's going to be badass, you guys.

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hey guys i think i am JUST about to start my part in a matter of minutes here! i wanted to post this again just so everyone is on the same page:

Part:Phobotech-blue
Part:Zappawadda-red
Part:Denzelcrocker-orange
Part:redharvest-yellow
Part:keiran-s-green
Part:Xionico purple

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DUE DATE: DECEMBER 27

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At 11/2/09 11:23 PM, zappawadda wrote: Cartoons in the 90's were filled with Lady Noir's. I had no idea how much of my childhood was influenced by Femme Fatales.

Where in the world...

i miss the 90s so much... sniff


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sorry for the double post, i thought i'd start early...

5 man collab 4 the &quot;noir&quot; section


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Hey guys, some people have been asking me if i could voice act for this and sure I would be happy to. So does this mean i will be voicing all the parts so the voice sounds the same? Sorry about posting that silly punk sotry earlier, i didnt realize we were choosing to do Lady Noir.

Thanks guys! I hope people will accept me as a voice actor for this hehe

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At 11/4/09 03:39 AM, denzel-crocker wrote: sorry for the double post, i thought i'd start early...

YES! dude that is so sick

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Well, seeing as how the Starfox flash I was already working on didn't have a deadline, I may as well start working on my part for the collab. Looking great, Denzel!

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raaaauuuughghghgh!!! i cant wait to start!

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That's why i love working for Denzel. He is such an awesome animator. I mean just LOOK AT THAT. I am putting in special effects for him using fuse coding. These effects will be used to give sparkles and things to the character. Youll see.

in the meantime, I will need to really focus on my voice. Harvest, would you mind telling me what I need to do? Should I PM all of the animators and tell them I am giving the voice acting a shot? If there is already a voice actor I completely understand. Ooohhh im getting excited though heh.

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Hey, I just remembered mine takes place in a strip club. RedHarvest; any limitations on tits and ass?

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Oh shit...and Red! What's everyone's frame-rate supposed to be at? That's pretty important!

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At 11/4/09 11:00 PM, Phobotech wrote: Oh shit...and Red! What's everyone's frame-rate supposed to be at? That's pretty important!

Isn't 24fps the average? Thats what I work with, but I've not started animation so it hasn't effected me yet.


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