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At 10/24/09 12:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote: No mate its not placebo, its quite noticable and you can test it with volume, it really doesnt seem to matter how loud your music is on 432hz.

I think you're confused and talking about something completely different >___>

At 10/24/09 12:54 PM, jarrydn wrote:

At 10/24/09 12:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote: No mate its not placebo, its quite noticable and you can test it with volume, it really doesnt seem to matter how loud your music is on 432hz.

I think you're confused and talking about something completely different >___>

No, in fact i know very well what im talking about its just that since i am dutch i cant really explain it very well in english.

At 10/24/09 12:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/24/09 09:05 AM, xKore wrote:

At 10/23/09 09:17 PM, Calamaistr wrote: Just go into audacity, go to the option arrow when youve loaded a track, frequency tab; click other and enter 43200, thats it.

43200 =/= 432hz

I think what you've done is change the sample rate, and what you are hearing is placebo.

No mate its not placebo, its quite noticable and you can test it with volume, it really doesnt seem to matter how loud your music is on 432hz.

Why did you change frequency to 43200 (or 43.2khz), the only thing quantified in those sorts of numbers is sample rates, and the different between 43.2khz and a standard 44.1khz would be negligable. If you shifted some pitch to 43200hz, then yeah maybe you'd get a difference, that difference being your audio being inaudiable.

Maybe post up an A and a B so other people can hear the difference you're getting, if you are getting one at all.

Tuning and samplerate are not same thing, stop confusing them.

At 10/24/09 03:22 PM, xKore wrote: Why did you change frequency to 43200 (or 43.2khz), the only thing quantified in those sorts of numbers is sample rates, and the different between 43.2khz and a standard 44.1khz would be negligable. If you shifted some pitch to 43200hz, then yeah maybe you'd get a difference, that difference being your audio being inaudiable.

Actually, if you change the sample rate of one track in Audacity, it does change the pitch and tempo, but that's just an undesirable side effect. Of course, if you do that, it will still not turn concert A to 432 (A is 440 hz, not 441 hz).

At 10/24/09 12:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/24/09 09:05 AM, xKore wrote:

At 10/23/09 09:17 PM, Calamaistr wrote: Just go into audacity, go to the option arrow when youve loaded a track, frequency tab; click other and enter 43200, thats it.

43200 =/= 432hz

I think what you've done is change the sample rate, and what you are hearing is placebo.

No mate its not placebo, its quite noticable and you can test it with volume, it really doesnt seem to matter how loud your music is on 432hz.

You're wrong, he's right.
The discussion is regarding the tuning of the actual music, having NOTHING to do with anything inside your DAW or elsewhere.

god.. you people are clueless arent you, why should i be uploading a and b while you all can test it out yourself, i already told you how.

At 10/24/09 01:32 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/24/09 12:54 PM, jarrydn wrote:

At 10/24/09 12:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote: No mate its not placebo, its quite noticable and you can test it with volume, it really doesnt seem to matter how loud your music is on 432hz.

I think you're confused and talking about something completely different >___>

No, in fact i know very well what im talking about its just that since i am dutch i cant really explain it very well in english.

That is the best reason I ever heared on a sunday morning... send me a PM in dutch and I will translate it for you... or rather say nothing if you have nothing to say.

The only thing which I wonder... is it even able to emulate the 432Hz with digital equipment as all source material has probably been sampled or emulated in 440Hz...?
If you take a VST like Edirol Orchestra for example, all the violins in the package are sampled on 440Hz, as the source is already ment to be that, I don't think it will make any difference to turn it into 432Hz, it only will alter your sound, but the original tones are still the same as they are recorded the first time...
Not enough coffee yet, but \i hope you catch the drift ;).

I just went downstairs and altered my guitar tuner to 432 and it really did give it a slightly warmer sound, all it really does is just barely alters the pitch of the instrument. And when I say barely, I mean only a musical ear could really notice the difference and hear that something different is going on.

If I start to get good effects doing this, I'm just gonna stay at 432 'cause I like it the way it is so far. I bought a Les Paul 'cause it's got nice low-end and now I'm finally taking advantage of it. (:

Seriously, if any of you play guitar. And you have an advanced effects processor or an average, ordinary tuner, go set it to 432 and tune your guitar or whatever accordingly.

Also, this is to Soro: Is there any limit to how low you can go? Like say, 430, 420, even 410?

At 10/25/09 07:53 AM, Sialys wrote:

A lot...

Thanks for the cool feedback, would be cool if you could share some with us, you know, party played in 440 and the same part again in 432 ;).

I would love to, but it's seven in the morning here right now and people are still sleeping. I've got to be at work in a couple hours, but when I get home I will definitely try to put up a little recording. (:

This seems very interesting, Im gonna keep my eye on this.

I wonder if there's a way to take a mp3 and tune it from 440 to 432.

The debate and stuff in this thread is a bit confusing (and yes, I know that sample rate won't change it)

At 10/25/09 07:53 AM, Sialys wrote: Also, this is to Soro: Is there any limit to how low you can go? Like say, 430, 420, even 410?

Well, there is just the phisical limit of the instrument, but if you go way down you'll end just tuning one semitone or more down... not really a re-pitching of "A" but more a re-tuning to "G#" or lower.

As an interesting quest, try to find some Catholic or Lutheran old churches that have organs, if those are the original ones those might use a different pitch, not the standard 440.

It's best to say that this 'a tuning' cannot be replicated in a DAW, it's only important for REAL instrument.

I understand the fact that 440 was the standard for tuning for a while, and depending on what voices should be brought out, or whether or not they want a brighter sound, they'll tune the standard just a bit to get that result.

I don't know why you guys are bringing up SAMPLE RATES, since that's non-related.

I hope this helped a bit.

At 10/26/09 10:57 AM, Kazmo wrote: It's best to say that this 'a tuning' cannot be replicated in a DAW, it's only important for REAL instrument.

Uh wrong, sure you can, some DAWs (like Logic) have microtuning features which allow this, many software synths can be tuned like that as well.

I'm aware of this.

I'm just saying, it doesn't have the same effect as it does in real instruments, since it's all digital, and you're just literally pitching down the sound. Whereas if you pitch down a real instrument, you actually change the accoustic/timbre properties slightly.

At 10/26/09 11:10 AM, Kazmo wrote: I'm aware of this.

I'm just saying, it doesn't have the same effect as it does in real instruments, since it's all digital, and you're just literally pitching down the sound. Whereas if you pitch down a real instrument, you actually change the accoustic/timbre properties slightly.

Oh, sure, then I guess we pretty much agree.

Yay, I'm glad we came to an agreement :D
(Sorry, I had class and therefore couldn't check back lol)

At 10/24/09 08:44 PM, Calamaistr wrote: god.. you people are clueless arent you, why should i be uploading a and b while you all can test it out yourself, i already told you how.

Just stop, because you are wrong. You changed the sample rate, not the tuning, and thats all there is to it.

Take a minute to google what sample rate is, and what tuning is, and see if they are even remotely similar.

I wished my dentist tuned his drill to 432 today... sadly he was not able to...
and all of that on a monday...
Sorry, just had to share my pain with the rest of the world...

Might I also mention that this is one of the ways to sniff out a recording of a real orchestra? A lot of composers on NG who use synth orchestral instruments probably have actually never heard of this before, so when they master their mix, every instrument or instrument section is at 440. A real orchestra NEVER sounds that PERFECTLY in tune because of just such a variance in tuning between the concert master and the different sections. That's something that I'm ashamed that hasn't occurred to me until now. lol From now on I'll be checking my VSTs to see if I can change the tuning for select instrument sections. :D

On a similar note, real orchestras are never PERFECTLY in time either. Humanizing a set or virtual orchestral instruments takes it far beyond simply slapping dots onto a sequencer.

Obviously, changing the tuning pitch of a sampled string instrument will not produce a brighter tone, as there are no physical mechanics involved.

Also, you can use an exciter to produce a brighter or more harmonically complex note without changing the tuning pitch.

I'm not sure that many people will really be able to tell the difference if they aren't trained musicians though.

Regarding tuning for virtual orchestras, one technique for achieving a better synth string sound is to layer multiple different sample patches, and change their tuning ever so slightly. So three samples, one is slightly high, one on pitch, one slightly low. During the course of your performance, you can add some richness by varying the amount of pitchwheel on each patch

This can work great for brass as well, which tends to detune as a live performance continues.