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"I'm finally proud to be an American b/c a black man is running for President" Thats nice... what you mean all the money paid to your fat ass to keep your show on the air isn't enough to make you proud?

Or what you do with the money?
She send's it out of the Country to the world's asshole aka South Africa. That's great, send the money out of the country when we have plenty of children here who are starving, desolate, uneducated and dying!

I love these celebs shameless self promotion by encouraging people to send money over seas to these countries that have their hands out when we come offering aid, but then turn around and stab that exact same hand when it comes to giving us any type of support. Screw them.

As for you Oprah, please leave, you are not wanted here anymore!

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A lot of money does leave the us. We really do need to keep it in our own economy. OPrah is not the only person guilty of sending it over seas.

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Oh yeah, the old custom of telling rich people exactly how they should be spending their money.


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I've always wondered if all these countries we've been sending aid to will one day return the favor.

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At 10/22/09 08:14 AM, amaterasu wrote: I've always wondered if all these countries we've been sending aid to will one day return the favor.

Don't count on it.

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Why do you care what she does with her money?

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At 10/22/09 08:14 AM, amaterasu wrote: I've always wondered if all these countries we've been sending aid to will one day return the favor.

The idea is that the lesser developed nations will be able to develop their own industries in what is really an amazingly quick time, so the world economy can step in and everyone benefits from the system through making more and more money, practically immediately. As far as the mainstream ideas go from world governments, everything else stems from that central idea: social development, environmental issues, class, education, etc.

Only it doesn't work that way.

A lot of us here in the developed world seemed to have created this belief that lesser developed areas of the world should be able to built up using a simple, western methodology, not unlike the principles to modernisation theory (see contents preview page for overview of Rostow's ideas). In reality, it can't work so quickly. It took us several centuries to get where we are now, "what ifs" aside, because they're not really relevant to my point... and hopefully they never are. Granted, that methodology isn't as simple as I make it out to be, but it becomes washed down for us. I've even made an error in bringing it down solely to "rich world vs poor world", because there are individual cultural factors and effects in each "sector". I'll keep at it though, mostly because I don't know manymore effective ways of painting the picture of what I currently believe in.

I strongly doubt we'll see the developing world "returning the favour" in our lifetimes, but there are so many factors that slow it all down on a grand scale even further every day, from inside and outside the poor areas. At times, it may be unfair/incorrect to simply lay it all down to post-colonial dependency, but there's a reason(/many reasons, historical and contemporary) why so many people back that argument. The only risk is that they might dwell solely on history, which is kind of going against the sort of progression we'd like to see.

I was going to get inidividual examples, specifically of developed TNCs causinbg problems as far as this "development" goes, because that's one category I'm particularly interested in (and it's relevant), but I got a bit engrossed in some of the reading without taking quick samples from any of it. Most sources would probably be "biased" in some way, but a lot of the work by independant groups can be interesting in understanding development. Take McSpotlight for instance. That group focuses on McDonald's, but this page goes a little further. Biased? Oh yeah. Does it provide some reasoning as to why development won't happen overnight in poor countries? I'm pretty certain it does.

One example I can recall quite easily: Nestle baby milk products (although in all fairness, it's not just been Nestle, they just own a large part of the market). That's a famous one, and it's relevant as a vague example here. Blow up the picture of the developing world's development, and that's the sort of stuff you see.

Actually on the point of discussion that's not just me ranting at you (seriously, forgive me; I know I don't really have a right to speak to you in some of these ways, but this is just something I'm interested in and all that), I can realise that might seem hypocritical, big-headed and simply rude for some public figures to clearly "prefer" certain groups over others in their donations, though a lot of them tend to have good reasons for what they do - it's not that they hate the more developed world, it's just that they might feel some sort of responsibility about this, or if you're in a more negative mood, out for the publicity, but as frustrating as that might be, you're not them. We do have problems in our own socieites, definitely, but there's nothing saying we can't try to help everyone with what we have, if we indeed can. Some names in particular can be very obnoxious about what they believe in, I know that too. My advice is to try and look further than the names. Their reasons won't neccessarily be your reasons for helping something, and that's not a harsh comment on either side, I'm trying to be positive.

Some people also get struck how some attempts on a larger stage just don't get followed up or fall far less than expectations... or you know, far less than what was agreed to. As much as it's the publicly funded, the celebrity backed projects and speeches that are publicised most frequently, the greatest amounts of aid reaches poorer nations directly from our govenments. When you bring loans, TNC oppurtunities, radical governmental issues (the "Marxist" government in Ethiopia refused aid at times... and at other times, richer nations refused to give the aid as a result; likewise, some of our governments have preferences for potentially harmful foreign governments which allow them to gain more, see Thatcher and Pinochet, etc.(may not be the best example)) into it, that nice neat structure of how the less developed nations were supposed to develop quickly is toppled... again.

So yeah. Jumbled reading, but I like reading about this stuff, as depressing as it is.


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At 10/22/09 09:31 AM, Scarab wrote: A load of stuff that I couldn't be bothered to read.

I'm hoping you copy+pasted that.

If not is was a slight waste of time...

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At 10/22/09 08:31 AM, Chdonga wrote: Why do you care what she does with her money?

Because where do you think that money comes from? Her talk show is funded by advertising revenue, which comes from companies paying to advertise, which comes from the money Americans spent on their goods. So think of America like a water bucket, Oprah as a whole in the bottom of the bucket. The water in the bucket as the economy, and the water poured into the bucket as the money we put in to help the economy. By sending the money overseas, she contributing to the downfall of the economy. So yeah, it matters.


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Oprah is the leader of the goddamn free world, I doubt she'll ever get off her ass and get out of the U.S.


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At 10/22/09 09:34 AM, ZOMGALIENS wrote: I'm hoping you copy+pasted that.

If not is was a slight waste of time...

Haha, why do you think that? I could talk at great length about a lot of things that interest me, and I could write more if I could give myself the time. If I have the oppurtunity to put my opinion about something forward in an arena that is, you know, principally maintained for the exchanged of people's opinions, then I might as well have a go. I haven't got anything I really need to be doing, other than more writing, so I'll do something I enjoy, like this believe it or not.

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On the issue of what Oprah said; why shouldn't someone be proud of our society overcoming what we experienced only 2 generations ago where people could overlook something as tripe as race, and do just as MLK asked and "judge by the content of character?" Oh; but I forgot that Oprah wasn't born in segregated Mississippi and raised at the peak of Jim Crow America so she doesn't know what she's talking about.

As for what Oprah is allowed to do with her money in a capitalistic society, why does that even matter? In fact how does this even relate to what you quoted? Is it a crime to not have pride in how you earn money? You act like she doesn't donate money to help people in America. Fuck; she gave an entire audience cars.

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At 10/22/09 09:41 AM, TheStonePilot wrote: Oprah is the leader of the goddamn free world, I doubt she'll ever get off her ass and get out of the U.S.

too true...

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the first link is about a strict school not about money and south america

was interesting though


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America has stuff like public schools, unemployment payments, disability payments, all sorts of social security shit. A starving, parentless child in America, even homeless and desperate, has a much better chance to survive than one in South Africa.

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very convincing, Oprah looks pretty unamerican to me... just sayin


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"I'm proud to be American because the president has the same colour skin as me" implies she has some resentment for non-black people in power.

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At 10/22/09 09:34 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: "I'm proud to be American because the president has the same colour skin as me" implies she has some resentment for non-black people in power.

Bingo!


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At 10/22/09 08:14 AM, amaterasu wrote: I've always wondered if all these countries we've been sending aid to will one day return the favor.

Nah, that would be stupid. Were just helping them not eat each other, so why would we want a favor?

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At 10/23/09 08:34 PM, Attacknun wrote:
At 10/22/09 08:14 AM, amaterasu wrote: I've always wondered if all these countries we've been sending aid to will one day return the favor.
Nah, that would be stupid. Were just helping them not eat each other, so why would we want a favor?

see thats the problem with you Americans. Us Germans would have let them eat each other and then take over the country when it's deserted.


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starving orphans in other countries deserve to live less than starving AMERICAN orphans, right?

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At 10/23/09 08:50 PM, All-Hallows wrote: starving orphans in other countries deserve to live less than starving AMERICAN orphans, right?

Yeah, cept for German children

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At 10/22/09 08:13 AM, The777Demon wrote: A lot of money does leave the us. We really do need to keep it in our own economy. OPrah is not the only person guilty of sending it over seas.

Agreed, this is why america's economy is shit. Mindless rich people giving it away to some third world country that would eat her for her meat just to survive. And africa is the world's asshole


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She can do what she wants. Lol.

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At 10/23/09 10:09 PM, Sensationalism wrote: She can do what she wants. Lol.

With consequences such as her genitals taking her hostage.

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You are telling a rich person how to spend their money.

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At 10/23/09 10:13 PM, Stoicish wrote: You are telling a rich person how to spend their money.

Communist.

I'd rather be called a communist than a capitalist. That's not even an insult.

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At 10/23/09 10:28 PM, Sensationalism wrote:
At 10/23/09 10:13 PM, Stoicish wrote: You are telling a rich person how to spend their money.

Communist.
I'd rather be called a communist than a capitalist. That's not even an insult.

Actually what I'm doing is more closer to saying she's an unpatriotic traitor who is contributing to the downfall of the country... more like Nazism.

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There's definitely more problems in the U.S. today than in recent years.... our education is worthless if it doesn't help us land jobs.... :(

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