Bnp Calls British Generals' Nazis'

[Eddyking]

Rtalk about throwing rocks when you live in a greenhouse...

"BNP Compares Generals With Nazi War Criminals

Nick Griffin has compared the army generals who attacked the BNP for "hijacking" the military to Nazi war criminals.
"Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremburg (sic) Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged - and hanged - together," he said on the Party's website.
Earlier Mr Griffin rejected accusations from General Sir Mike Jackson and General Sir Richard Dannatt, among others, that political extremists had no right to share the Armed Forces' proud reputation.

"The Nuremburg (sic) War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany," Mr Griffin added.
"Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel, were also charged with waging aggressive war.

"Sir Richard and Sir Ken (sic) fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iran (sic) and Afghanistan."

He said the BNP shared the values of the "old" British military, not necessarily the new "PC British defence establishment".

He added: "Almost everyone at the coalface, out there in Afghanistan especially, the rank-and-file, vote British National Party and support the BNP.

"The generals might not, but of course some of these generals are in the pockets of the Conservative party." The generals' letter - seen by Sky News - says far-right groups were "fundamentally at odds" with the values of the British military.

The move follows the BNP tactic of using images of Winston Churchill and wartime insignia during recent European election campaigns. The letter, seen by Sky News, reads: "We call on all those who seek to hijack the good name of Britain's military for their own advantage to cease and desist. "The values of these extremists - many of whom are essentially racist - are fundamentally at odds with the values of the modern British military, such as tolerance and fairness."

General Jackson specifically attacked the BNP for using the Army's image. He told The Times: "The BNP is claiming that it has a better relationship with the Armed Forces than other political parties. "How dare they use the image of the Army, in particular, to promote their policies. These people are beyond the pale."

The letter forms part of a campaign, titled Stolen Valour, by leading military figures and Nothing British, an organisation that monitors the BNP. It is supported by a YouTube video featuring SAS hero Andy McNab and titled Andy McNab against the BNP and a similar offering by Simon Weston, the Falklands veteran.

James Bethell, who set up Nothing British, told Sky News Online that he was hoping to appeal to the British sense of "fairness and decency" to attack the BNP. He is urging veterans to sign a petition against the BNP at the organisation's website.

The move by the generals comes after the BBC rejected a call from Cabinet minister Peter Hain to drop BNP leader Nick Griffin from the panel on BBC1's Question Time this Thursday."

Sky news link

I mean Jesus fuck where do you even...

Right well I should probably mention that Nick Griffin is not really going to win this argument but right wing extremist groups have latched onto the military like a parasite since the dawn of time and its nice that they get a good fuck off for a change.

Anyway is there anyone who the BNP doesn't hate these days?

[Tancrisism]

Wow... And I thought the American far-right was bad...

[SmilezRoyale]

I guess attacking unjust wars isn't popular anymore in Britain either?

[Riech]

Better then being a far left fucking commie!

[Elfer]

See people, this is why if you're going to have democracy, you should at least have parliamentary democracy, because it's more fun AND more stupid.

[Jon-86]

At 10/20/09 03:53 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: I guess attacking unjust wars isn't popular anymore in Britain either?

Its not about that! Its about the BNP giving money to veterans charities and then the BNP posting on their site saying that they support these veterans when no one else will. The thing is some of these charities have received donations by a third party and so didn't know they were from the BNP.

The BNP and their political beliefs are what WW2 veterans were fighting to get rid of from the country so you can see why the Army would attack the BNP over this and rightly so.

This has nothing to do with opposing the war, just a publicity thing.

[AKACCMIOF]

Wow, a guy who denies the holocaust and calls the jews "mind-benders" calls well established "PC" military generals (fucks yes, but well established and PC also) Nazis?

Talk about throwing bricks in glass houses.

This is the equivalent of letting off a firework whilst in a cellar%Pr

[AapoJoki]

At 10/22/09 03:36 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote: Wow, a guy who denies the holocaust and calls the jews "mind-benders" calls well established "PC" military generals (fucks yes, but well established and PC also) Nazis?

Actually, he doesn't deny the holocaust anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWcxqgzY dQ

Also, BNP is finally letting black people join the party (assuming that any of them want to join):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/
oct/15/bnp-non-white-members

I can't really say that this is a bad thing, but it's hard to see any kind of sincerity in these reforms.

[AKACCMIOF]

At 10/22/09 07:38 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Actually, he doesn't deny the holocaust anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWcxqgzY dQ

Not publically. Not publically anymore.

Also, BNP is finally letting black people join the party (assuming that any of them want to join):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/
oct/15/bnp-non-white-members

They're still being blocked by the highest ranking members behind closed doors.

I can't really say that this is a bad thing, but it's hard to see any kind of sincerity in these reforms.

Indeed man. Indeed.

[DizzeeRascal]

At 10/20/09 03:36 PM, Tancrisism wrote: Wow... And I thought the American far-right was bad...

Frankly, if this week showed anything, it was how unpopular the BNP actually are among most people in Britain. What, I feel anyway, is the chief difference between the British and American far right, is that the far right in America seem to have more support from the public, probably due to religion. In Britain, most of the BNP's support comes from disillusionment with mainstream parties, not racial hatred, although I'm sure there are a core of supporters who share Griffin's sentiments.

[Punkboyben]

There seems to be no argument to back up anything Nick Griffin says. He got ripped to shreds on Question Time the other night with no evidence to back up any claims.

[SuperSuperKLC]

Long live BNP. :) They will eventually win over the public. This is just the beginning. The left has been running Britian since WW2. Now it's time for the right. Then left will take over. So on. This is the cycle of politics.

[DizzeeRascal]

At 10/25/09 12:33 AM, Punkboyben wrote: There seems to be no argument to back up anything Nick Griffin says. He got ripped to shreds on Question Time the other night with no evidence to back up any claims.

I agree. I was actually pleasantly surprised with the content of argument in Question Time. Understandably of course, many members of the audience disparaged him with unchecked emotional displays. Whilst impressive to watch, they don't really help in proving him wrong, rather more rational arguments displayed by the panel members showed the BNPs policies and constitution for what they really are, which is very important.

[Memorize]

At 10/24/09 07:20 PM, DizzeeRascal wrote:

Frankly, if this week showed anything, it was how unpopular the BNP actually are among most people in Britain. What, I feel anyway, is the chief difference between the British and American far right, is that the far right in America seem to have more support from the public, probably due to religion.

It never ceases to amuse me when the anti-religious are always the ones talking about religion.

[Pesticide]

At 10/22/09 07:38 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Also, BNP is finally letting black people join the party (assuming that any of them want to join):

I remember a friend of mine joining the BNP. He was currently dating a black chick, they found out and you can only imagine what happened. Both him and his girlfriend immediately got the message. It'll be a long, long time before the BNP openly accept ethnic races in its party. Regardless of what they say in the eyes of the public.

Question Time was a shambles. Nothing more; nothing less.

[The-General-Public]

At 10/25/09 01:10 AM, SuperSuperKLC wrote: Long live BNP. :) They will eventually win over the public. This is just the beginning. The left has been running Britian since WW2. Now it's time for the right. Then left will take over. So on. This is the cycle of politics.

By "right" do you mean "insane, racist crypto-fascists?" The BNP has as much of a chance taking power as a Klansman does of winning the American presidency in 2012.

[The-General-Public]

At 10/25/09 09:31 AM, Memorize wrote:

It never ceases to amuse me when the anti-religious are always the ones talking about religion.

protip: God isn't real.

[Memorize]

At 10/25/09 12:26 PM, The-General-Public wrote:

At 10/25/09 09:31 AM, Memorize wrote:

It never ceases to amuse me when the anti-religious are always the ones talking about religion.

protip: God isn't real.

Thank you for proving my point.

[DizzeeRascal]

At 10/25/09 09:31 AM, Memorize wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me when the anti-religious are always the ones talking about religion.

The influence of religion upon current US far right politics is profound. Whether or not I am religious has nothing to do with it.

[lapis]

And the BNP reports that 3,000 new members signed up the day after Nick Griffin appeared on Question Time.

Jesus Christ, I just tried to watch the whole Question Time bit, but wasn't able to do so. That was completely atrocious. You know, in an actual debate show a moderator tries to keep the whole thing balanced. He makes sure that the two sides get equal speaking time, maybe presents arguments that support the case of one side if that side is poorly represented on the table. This guy was just the leader of the execution squad, deciding when which whip lash would be delivered. Even Nick Griffin's weak points, like Holocaust denial, came across poorly because all his answers were interrupted by either the crowd or the other panel members.

I don't know what the people behind the programme were trying to achieve here. This was just agitprop for the anti-BNP crowd. For the people leaning towards the BNP, this was proof that the leftist multiculturalist thought police actively conspires to keep down people that stand up for their nation.

You know, we have a politician in the Netherlands who wants to ban the Qur'an, who has said that in order for Europe to remain free millions (literal quote) of Muslims would have to leave and who has dehumanised Muslims by doubting if they could love their own children more than Allah. His party is now the country's biggest in the polls. You know what helped him? Continuous attacks against him by other politicians and the media - but specifically against his ideological predecessor who was murdered by an environmentalist.

Granted, the BNP and Griffin have darker (racist) origins than the main far right in the Netherlands and they don't have recent martyrs whose memories they can invoke, but I've seen the startegy that I saw on that Question Time show before and it backfired.

If you want to fight the BNP, treat him like any other politican and hope that the hype wanes and dies out. Make an underdog out of him and he'll grow bigger than ever.

(although the UK's district-based system might hamper success in parliament).

[Memorize]

At 10/25/09 06:37 PM, DizzeeRascal wrote:

The influence of religion upon current US far right politics is profound. Whether or not I am religious has nothing to do with it.

Uh-huh.

[ThePretenders]

The UAF protesters are morons. All they did was cause tension and disruption that gave ammunition to Nick Griffin and the BNP. If you want to expose someone for their racism, you should debate with them and present evidence for their claims. These "anti-fascists" are just as bad as the actual "fascists" and it would be right and proper to remove both of those elements from society.

Notice that there wasn't a single non-white protester arrested and that the security guards and that some of the police were black?

[DizzeeRascal]

At 10/25/09 07:16 PM, lapis wrote:
If you want to fight the BNP, treat him like any other politican and hope that the hype wanes and dies out. Make an underdog out of him and he'll grow bigger than ever.

Treating him like a normal politician gives legitimacy to the BNP. Something which they have been striving for, for years. I also think it's very dangerous to do so. There are lots of very impressionable, dissillusioned people in the UK, who by seeing the BNP being treated as such, may be more inclined to vote for them.

[lapis]

At 10/26/09 09:40 AM, DizzeeRascal wrote: Treating him like a normal politician gives legitimacy to the BNP. Something which they have been striving for, for years. I also think it's very dangerous to do so. There are lots of very impressionable, dissillusioned people in the UK, who by seeing the BNP being treated as such, may be more inclined to vote for them.

I think that a lot of those "impressionable, dissillusioned" people are fed up with mainstream political parties to begin with and that whenever the views of the BNP are dismissed as too unpalatable they will see it as a vindication of their belief that there is something seriously wrong with the political establishment rather than with themselves.

Immigration and British sovereignty are simply big issues for some people and the parties that are represented in the House of Commons have answers that are apparently so unsatisfiable for about 20% of the UK that they are considering voting for Griffin's party. You can keep calling them Nazis and saying that people should not want to be represented by them but you might want to consider the possibility that this will only bolster the support that they'll get. That's what happened in Belgium and the Netherlands, and, although I'm no expert here, also in France (Front National) and Austria (FPÖ).

After all, no one is better at appealing to the disillusioned than the lone street fighter who's hated and fought by exactly that which they're disillusioned in.

[DizzeeRascal]

I think it's pretty hard to argue that giving a party more air time will not boost their popularity. Recently, BNP popularity has risen massively. Recently, they have been given much more air time. Correlation certainly doesn't imply causation, but in this case, I can think of no other factors.

[lapis]

At 10/26/09 06:38 PM, DizzeeRascal wrote: I think it's pretty hard to argue that giving a party more air time will not boost their popularity. Recently, BNP popularity has risen massively. Recently, they have been given much more air time. Correlation certainly doesn't imply causation, but in this case, I can think of no other factors.

Maybe the causation went the other way around. Maybe the popularity of the BNP was already increasing and so they got more airtime. Hadn't they already won a few council seats in Somewhereshire? I only think that the number of people who will say that they'll vote for them will reach a loose equilibrium sooner if they get more airtime.

I'll take it a bit further: I think the best way for the BNP to start losing popularity is to have them partake in government. That's what cost the Austrian FPÖ a lot of support in the past as well - being part of the mainstream and being unable to deliver. Then again, this is of course a lot more complicated in the UK because it doesn't have much history with coalition governments because of the district-based system.

[DizzeeRascal]

At 10/27/09 01:00 PM, lapis wrote:
Maybe the causation went the other way around. Maybe the popularity of the BNP was already increasing and so they got more airtime. Hadn't they already won a few council seats in Somewhereshire? I only think that the number of people who will say that they'll vote for them will reach a loose equilibrium sooner if they get more airtime.

I'll take it a bit further: I think the best way for the BNP to start losing popularity is to have them partake in government. That's what cost the Austrian FPÖ a lot of support in the past as well - being part of the mainstream and being unable to deliver. Then again, this is of course a lot more complicated in the UK because it doesn't have much history with coalition governments because of the district-based system.

They did win a council seat in the North East. For the European Parliament elections they won 2 seats. However because of all the hype surrounding the elections, and the fact they use porportional representation, and not first past the post, that the newspapers started to run more and more stories on them.

Perhaps if the fail to deliver, they might lose support, but seeing as they probably won't win any seats in parliament due to FPTP, they couldn't be included anyway.

[Warforger]

You know whats retarded? If what the Article is saying is true, then if Churchill were around today he would approve of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and would want to take them as territories. Churchill was a Reactionary, just like Hitler, he wanted to bring his country back to the good ole days, he was only elected as Prime Minister because the other one was doing a softer job, he wasn't re-elected because he was too old school, he wasn't re-elected until the 50's when he tried the good guy side, he tried to stop the Cold War and try to keep peace with the two super powers.

[DizzeeRascal]

It is funny that the BNP claim his as their own. Until they changed their rules very recently, constitutionally, he would have been denied admission into the BNP, because of his American mother.