Does existence have a beginning?

[So-Smart-s0-Dumb]

Anybody can say "We don't know yet.", "We aren't scientists.", or "It's impossible to tell.". I don't want those useless replies, I want replies that show someone is actually seriously considering the question and coming up with a decent hypothesis. Now give me your opinion please.

I forgot to add this: Answer the question without using anything but reasoning. It's possible, I've already figured out how, I want to see who else can.

At 10/17/09 01:39 PM, KrevZabijak wrote: Well, in your opinion, what would constitute an 'end'?

an end to what? Existence? I can't prove on reasoning alone whether there would be an end to existence or not, it would require scientific study. It is possible, however, to prove only with reasoning, whether existence had a beginning or not.

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[Pico]

No. It is an Uroburos, just like this thread. It will be eternally devouring itself, and shitting itself back out.

[GiantDouche]

Time did not exist before the Big Bang so the Big Bang is usually considered the beginning of existence.

[Ejit]

You haven't explained your question. The answer to either is yes, though. On both a specific and molecular level there is a beginning.

[Corky-D]

Nothing can appear out of nowhere and just NOT have a beginning.

Your question is vague.

[All-Hallows]

Matter and energy can be converted, but can they be created or destroyed in a system such as the universe? idk.

[NeverHundred]

I'm trying to understand here, why is this so important to you... because you've made this thread like three times now. And in this rendition, you say you know how the universe is created. That it can be figured out without evidence or proof, but just through speculation.

We can't be entirely sure of anything, we can look at data, and information to gather evidence to come up with a theory that is more likely than anything else. But that's not necessarily going to be the right answer, even if it's the most likely.

Personally I like the ideas of a big bang, I like the theory that the universe has been recycling itself over time... but if there was proof against these ideas than that wouldn't surprise me either. The universe could have very well been created by elder gods who's names are impossible to pronounce by a human.

...actually I hope that last one is actually how the universe was created. Not that quantum physics isn't any less bizarre and maddening.

[EpicFail]

Who cares if existence has a beginning or not?
We seriously waste a lot of time asking ourselves these questions, we honestly will never know.

I'd worry more about when you're going to die, the things you want to accomplish before the end of your life, and the people who matter most to you, treat them well.

Who cares about the past that had nothing to do with you?
Worry about the present and your future.

[tweekee]

Well, Existence was created by god in the bible( I think, I don't read fiction stories.) So if you believe in god that's how it started.

[irishiweredrunk]

A year ago i thought carefully and figured two soulutions.

1) The beginning universe was the beginning of existence.
2) The universe has no beginning or end.

[NeverHundred]

At 10/17/09 02:15 PM, irishiweredrunk wrote: A year ago i thought carefully and figured two soulutions.

1) The beginning universe was the beginning of existence.
2) The universe has no beginning or end.

Perhaps the universe only truly begins for a person when they come into existence.

[Sinitech]

The answer is obvious:

The universe doesn't exist.

We're all bacon.

And don't even get me started on the trees...

[Hoeloe]

Personally, I like the idea of the Helix Universe. What this describes is that the size of the Universe, which at this moment in time is expanding, will eventually reach a maximum, and contract again (it is feasable that time will begin to flow backwards here too). When the Universe reaches a single point of matter again, it begins to expand once more, in a never ending loop. A diagram of this looks roughly like a Double Helix. In this way, energy is conserved, yet the Big Bang can still exist.

Remember, outside the Universe, time does not exist. The Universe contains the dimensions that we experience, and so "outside" it, there can be no time. Therefore, we cannot really talk about a "start" of existance anyway, since before the Universe, time cannot exist.

This is why I like this theory, it makes so much sense of all of these things.

[UberCream]

I think it began with the opposite of THIS.

[Falonefal]

Imho the universe recreates itself all the time while destroying itself.
Something like giving yourself a time machine after going back in time.
A universal paradox.

[Im-A-Pirate]

At 10/17/09 01:46 PM, GiantDouche wrote: Time did not exist before the Big Bang so the Big Bang is usually considered the beginning of existence.

For the big bang to exist, time would also need to, to move things forward.

[MelodiousOrpheus]

At 10/17/09 01:44 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Anybody can say "We don't know yet.", "We aren't scientists.", or "It's impossible to tell.". I don't want those useless replies, I want replies that show someone is actually seriously considering the question and coming up with a decent hypothesis. Now give me your opinion please.

I forgot to add this: Answer the question without using anything but reasoning. It's possible, I've already figured out how, I want to see who else can.

At 10/17/09 01:39 PM, KrevZabijak wrote: Well, in your opinion, what would constitute an 'end'?

an end to what? Existence? I can't prove on reasoning alone whether there would be an end to existence or not, it would require scientific study. It is possible, however, to prove only with reasoning, whether existence had a beginning or not.

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Oh man I forgot about my fellow Georgia Buddy. You made some epic flame war threads about Scientology or the stupidity of other religions back in the day.

Why are you even asking this qeustion? You already figured it out with your "perfect" logic.

Just looking back 4 posts you said this.
"Death is an awesomely amazing utility that scales infinity in an infinitesimal amount of time, meaning that you are revived into another life with a most likely better situation."

Infinity in an infinitesimal amount of time? Is that even English? You can't just put big sounding words together and pretend you have some ultra sweet philisophical idea. Do you even read books or do you just browse through wikipedia to figure out your life's philosophy.

[Ejit]

At 10/17/09 01:44 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: "Death is an awesomely amazing utility that scales infinity in an infinitesimal amount of time, meaning that you are revived into another life with a most likely better situation."

oh LOL

[hdxmike]

Of course existance has a beginning.

The second tom fulp was born we were all given a purpose and time began.

The second newgrounds was launched we were all given a chance to fufill our purpose

[Falonefal]

At 10/17/09 03:10 PM, hdxmike wrote: Of course existance has a beginning.

The second tom fulp was born we were all given a purpose and time began.

The second newgrounds was launched we were all given a chance to fufill our purpose

No, that's when life as we know it actually ended.

[GOTHCLAWZ]

Things beginning happen in existence. Perhaps something always was & forever will be. Why does the universe & reality exist? Why am I here? Why can only I see through my eyes & control my body? Why am in charge of what happens to this product of the universe which you know as Conal Rhys Fawcett?

You've got me thinking philosophically now, fuck you.