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estrago1

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Posted at: 10/30/09 11:09 PM

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I think I heard this somewhere, but it may be for something else. But either way, the government is vaccinating the country as a proactive approach. Basically they're trying to prevent a pandemic from becoming uncontrollable. Would you rather get something and not need it or not get something and then need it desperately?

But it really is too much of a fuss. Why is swine flu any worse than regular flu? How is it really even that different? There are probably just a couple of minor things. Other than that, swine flu is pretty much like the regular flu. Which means that more people are gonna start worrying that they have swine flu when they have regular flu. It causes unneeded panic.

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At 10/30/09 11:09 PM, estrago1 wrote: I think I heard this somewhere, but it may be for something else. But either way, the government is vaccinating the country as a proactive approach. Basically they're trying to prevent a pandemic from becoming uncontrollable. Would you rather get something and not need it or not get something and then need it desperately?

But it really is too much of a fuss. Why is swine flu any worse than regular flu? How is it really even that different? There are probably just a couple of minor things. Other than that, swine flu is pretty much like the regular flu. Which means that more people are gonna start worrying that they have swine flu when they have regular flu. It causes unneeded panic.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention involving 4,958 hospitalizations from the H1N1 virus, also called swine flu, showed 53% of the cases were in people age 24 and younger. Another 39% were in people ages 25 to 64, and 7% in people age 65 and older. (In the remaining 1% of cases the age was unknown.)

The hospitalizations were reported by 27 states from Aug. 30 through Oct. 10.

CDC also looked at 292 deaths reported by 28 states during the same time period. Of the deaths, 24% were in people age 24 and younger; 64% in those ages 25 to 64, and 12% in people age 65 and older.

"This is really, really different from what we see with seasonal flu," said Anne Schuchat, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 60% of hospitalizations and 90% of deaths related to seasonal influenza occur in people age 65 and older.

This is the difference between the Flu and the Swin Flu. It seems to affect the younger more and harder than the elderly, which are the ones that normally are killed by the Flu.


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Posted at: 10/31/09 01:09 AM

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Britain already has vaccines produced for the entire population and vaccinations started last week. But like you said, what a waste of resources. Will they never learn?

Remember the Bird-flu that was meant to kill a billion people world-wide? Or even S.A.R.S virus which was so deadly it killed, well a handful.

You can't help but feel when these pandemics arise, there is a little bit of an over-reaction fuelled by hype.

Having said that. I'd rather be over prepared than under-prepared for the worst possible outcome.

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Whoever is producing these vaccines is making a lot of money off of this whole ordeal. Makes me wonder if they are the main propagandists involved in generating fear and hysteria over H1N1.... *wink wink*


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Posted at: 11/2/09 07:47 AM

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People already has started diying from the Vaccine....

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Posted at: 11/2/09 09:17 AM

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Take your Vitamin D3, Beta 1,3/1,6 glucan supplements and you should be fine. And if you're unsure, google "vitamin D3 H1N1" and read the results. Or you can just watch the news while you're standing in line for your "limited tested" vaccine that contains shit like mercury [thimerosal] (which WILL fry your brain).

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Posted at: 11/2/09 02:05 PM

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No need to worry about it anymore right??
Because they have those vaccines,
like 4 people in our school had it and now they are completely fine :D

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Posted at: 11/7/09 09:15 AM

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Some news updates about H1N1. You may have heard of that 13 year old Toronto boy, who played hockey, was healthy, and died of H1N1. Here's the real story, little Evan complained of a sore throat and dry cough on Friday evening, by Saturday he was showing signs of flu like symptoms. He played in a hockey tournament Saturday night, went to a clinic on Sunday, and Monday he passed away. The Toronto medical officer stated that Evan had a mild case of asthma.
Most people heard this story and freaked out, demanding our government start the vaccination process immediately, and it did. But people didn't look at the facts, a boy with asthma, who was infected with H1N1 (sore throat and dry cough) went and played in a hockey tournament. The Coroner said there will be no autopsy performed.

This story was blown WAY out of proportion, and it was used to solidify the importance of the vaccine.

Let's talk about the vacines for a moment shall we. These vaccines were rushed out the door to control something that isn't all that bad (not near as bad as "they" say it is).

Arepanrix, that Canadian adjuvented vaccine, like others were rushed out the door to start the vaccination process. Maybe this vaccine could have saved Evan, or maybe it could have done more damage, consider this line form the packaging slip that comes with Arepanrix "Children and adolescents aged 10-17 years: No clinical data are available for any influenza vaccines with AS03 in this age group."
They don't know what it will do to adolescents, I find that scary, same with my 2 year old, no data exists.
Other brands of the vaccine (CSL Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine, GSK Fluarix, Novartis Fluvirin, Sanofi Pasteur Vaccine) are considered Pregnancy Category C - Animal reproduction studies have shown an adverse effect on the fetus and there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in humans. Arepanrix isn't classified as Category C because it's Canadian and we don't have a classification system like the US and others. But it's package says "Pregnancy and Lactation -
No data have been generated in pregnant women with Arepanrix%u2122 H1N1 nor with the prototype AS03 adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine."

So, the only people that these drugs are "recommended" for by the producing company are the people who don't fall into the "high risk" category stated by government officials.

Thimerosal: a type of mercury used as a preservative for the vaccines. "But canned tuna has the same amount of mercury as the vaccine, and you eat that". Very true, but how often do you eat a full can of tuna without diluting it with Mayo or butter and bread? Virtually never, as opposed to injecting the same amount of mercury directly into your body.

Would you eat something that was designated by the manufacturer as "no data exists on what this food product may do to you", so why inject yourself with the a vaccine under the same warnings? Because you're scared of dying from H1N1, right? Don't be. Only 1600+ people in the USA have died from H1N1 and 120+ in Canada. So about 1800 people out of 330+ million have died from H1N1, or .0005%.

In other news, GlaxoSmithKlein has reported an 11% increase in 3rd quarter earnings.

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At 11/1/09 07:57 PM, TrickySoup wrote: Whoever is producing these vaccines is making a lot of money off of this whole ordeal. Makes me wonder if they are the main propagandists involved in generating fear and hysteria over H1N1.... *wink wink*

I don't think so.


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Posted at: 11/7/09 12:25 PM

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Swine flu is something to be concerned about but not worried about. What gets me is the hand sanitizers that it seems everyone has started using. Even worse is the masks. Understandable if you have already contracted the virus, but people. Exercise your immune system!

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At 10/18/09 03:47 AM, ReiperX wrote: Is the 2009 H1N1 flu shot expected to be associated with Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS)?

In 1976, an earlier type of swine flu vaccine was associated with cases of a severe paralytic illness called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) at a rate of approximately 1 case of GBS per 100,000 persons vaccinated. Some studies done since 1976 have shown a small risk of GBS in persons who received the seasonal influenza vaccine. This risk is estimated to be no more than 1 case of GBS per 1 million persons vaccinated. Pregnant women should tell the person giving the shots if they have ever had GBS.

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/vaccination/p regnant_qa.htm

This is what I was thinking of earlier.

Ironically, though fewer people took the vaccine than those that did not, you were more likely to die from the vaccine than the flu.

Since i'm not in the high risk category when it comes to swine flu, I'm disinclined to want the vaccine... My guess is i probably have a better chance of dying from a quick-fix vaccine than i do from the flu.

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At 11/7/09 10:32 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Ironically, though fewer people took the vaccine than those that did not, you were more likely to die from the vaccine than the flu.

In Sweden they have had 3 deaths due to H1n1 and 5 deaths due to the vaccine.

The deadly drug of choice is Pandemrix, which IS available in North America.

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When it comes to medicine, you have to prevent, not react.

Preventive medicine is a funny thing
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The swine flu is a hoax. It was boosted by the media in order to get the economy running; now that everyone is getting vaccinated, people have to PAY for the vaccination. Therefore, money is circulating, and the economy is improving.

Although I'm pissed that the media is constantly pumping up the threat, it's a good idea. Heh, the media are doing the reform that Obama never could.

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At 11/8/09 02:15 PM, Toiletpaper wrote: people have to PAY for the vaccination.

We don't pay for it in Canada, most countries I have read about don't pay for the H1N1 vaccine.
Is Obama making you guys in the US pay for it?

At 11/8/09 03:27 PM, DXplayer wrote: ofcourse right now the flu isn't that bad but the flu mutates like doctors all over the world are talking about... it might get that bad that it would kill more the the regular flu. i heard that they say that mutated edition of the Swine flu (H1N1) might kill 2 or 3 times more then regular flu
which is BAD

Well the southern hemisphere past their flu season without major incident. They were estimating thousands of deaths due to H1N1, and only lost a small handful of people, I wouldn't believe everything you hear from doctors on H1N1, right now it's just a pile of speculation. Just like Doctors who say the vaccine is completely safe, the drug makers don't even know if it's "completely" safe or not, so how the hell can a doctor?

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At 11/8/09 03:27 PM, DXplayer wrote: ofcourse right now the flu isn't that bad but the flu mutates like doctors all over the world are talking about... it might get that bad that it would kill more the the regular flu. i heard that they say that mutated edition of the Swine flu (H1N1) might kill 2 or 3 times more then regular flu
which is BAD

And the hysteria causes overcrowding of hospitals, which means people who are genuinely sick are worse off.

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I know. I kept hearing about stuff like the SARS virus, and it sounded like it killed at least a million people, but it was in fact nowhere near that. The reason the regular flu is ignored is probably because it's something that is expected that people know better about getting a defense from. In fact, it's even possible swine flu will become commonplace and we won't care much about it either. I don't know the exact statistical evidence of when something is classified as an epidemic or plague, however.

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