The Law Is Corrupt.

[EpicFail]

I am in a conversation with a friend of mine on facebook right now, and we are discussing the law system and stuff.
I can't help but notice how stupid the laws are, and how corrupt they seem to be.

These are a few points I want to mention before I forget.

At the age of 16, you can legally drive, putting your life, anybody in the vehicle, and anybody else on the road's life at extreme risk.

You must wait another 2 years in order to buy cigarettes legally, cigarettes mostly harm just yourself, as there are approximately 35,000 - 40,000 deaths per year from second hand smoke.
In 2008, 43,313 people died in motor vehicle accidents in the US, that is 0.000142559 of the population of the US.

At the age of 18, you can legally join the military. Meaning you can go to war and die for your country.
In the US, you can not legally drink an alcoholic beverage until you are at the age of 21.
The government would rather you die for your country, than drink a liquid.

If you commit a crime in Canada and you are under the age of 18 years old, you are not legally an adult.
The news and papers can not announce your name to the public, not letting society know about the crime you committed.
By the age of 13, a person should easily know right from wrong.
Less than 1 year ago I was assaulted by 4 teenagers, their consequences were very minimal, because of their age.
The law system says that they don't know right from wrong, they will learn when they are adults, etc.

That is bullshit, no teenager should think it is right to go out and randomly attack a single person, having the potential to easily murder them.

The government is worried about all the people on the Earth, saying that in time we will be over populated, etc. Yet they don't do anything about it.
Personally, I think because a person can be a parent, they should have to take an IQ test, and must have a certain IQ in order to be a parent, there are lot of children already who are completely brain dead because of how poorly they were raised and how little their parents care.

If society were to bring back the public execution, there would be a lot less crime.
The government knows this, when public hangings were existant, there was less crime occurring.
Now that the public executions are ceased, there are a lot of people committing more crime, and the age of the suspects is getting lower all the time. Our youth are our worst nightmare.

If we were to bring back hangings and shit, people would see what the outcome of crime is.
They will know not to rape and murder. They will know right from wrong easily.

/ rant for now.

[Toukeman]

I do believe the drinking age is bull. Young men and women go off to fight and die without ever touching there lips to a beer. What is the drinking age in Britian? 16? And do we hear about all the bad things that happen because of young people that are drinking over there? No we don't.

Intereseting fact. Before the fed increased the drinking age, Ohio was giving 2 chances to increase there drinking age to 21 for safety reasons.

It was shot down by landslides twice.

The only reason the drinking age in Ohio is 21 because the fed said increase your drinking age or you lose money for your road system.

[WeirdJamFace]

Views/replys......Arhhh ha...

It's stupid how there are barely any consequences for crime under 18 years.
What if some 15 year old just went on a killing spree?!

Remember those teens that were given "Therapy" (dancing and games) for torturing those other kids? Just because they weren't 18?

Now, that's some steaming bullshit right there...

[Diddy]

The law system is corrupt and in some cases, just doesn't work.

But by the system of judicial precedent, give it time and these sorts of areas will be resolved.

[Gateau]

Yknow, when the United States was founded (I know you're Canadian, but roll with me), their laws were based off of the simple code "as long as you do not impede on another's right to freedom". Why is it that the government can now dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body?

[Sizzlebuzz]

It is ridiculous how many things are overlooked due to age. Coming into 7th grade, I knew right from wrong.

A child can murder and torture people, yet will at worst get some type of therapy. Maybe have to live in a institution for a little while.

This is not true in 100% of the cases, but if a child commits the same act as an adult, they will probably get less than 1/3 of the punishment. And I find that ridiculous. Because very seldom do they change.

[Prinzy2]

You know who I find whines about age limits? People underage.

There is good reason behind those numbers, if you were able to drink, smoke, gamble, drive, get a credit card, and vote all at 16 you'd be overwhelmed. Besides, most teens aren't responsible enough to take 100% control of their lives, in fact, teens are stupid when it comes to real life. Can you imagine how many more fatalities there would be if 16 year olds were able to drive with an blood alcohol content of .08? How would they learn all the life lessons of managing money if they went to the casino, bought smokes and booze while holding a part-time job and going to high school? Just imagine every 16 year old with a credit card, that in itself would be chaos.

The law isn't as corrupt as it seems, if not being able to drink is your biggest concern then you have it pretty easy kid, enjoy life before you get a healthy dose of reality.

[Master117chief]

Law corrupt?

Well, no fucking shit...

[AluminumNads]

At 10/15/09 10:39 AM, Gateau wrote: Why is it that the government can now dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body?

Because of religion. They say that the want the curch and state to be seperate, but they still let morals learned from religion influence their thinking.

You know, to garner more votes.

[brewbeer]

Let me set the facts right on Britain.

The drinking age in Britain is 18 years of age.

And yet....

Britain has the worst number of drink related deaths in Europe.
Drink related sexual activity mean Britain has more teenage mums than the whole of Europe.
The NHS (that is the Health Insurance in UK) spends 30% more than is should because of Alcohol.
Britain has the worst number of binge drinkers in Europe.

The crime related to drink in UK, you guessed it, is the highest in Europe.

So please don't think it a good thing we have a lower drinking age. I think 18 years are not mature enough to know that yes you can have a good time on alcohol. But is it worth it?

[Sizzlebuzz]

At 10/15/09 10:44 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: You know who I find whines about age limits? People underage.

There is good reason behind those numbers, if you were able to drink, smoke, gamble, drive, get a credit card, and vote all at 16 you'd be overwhelmed. Besides, most teens aren't responsible enough to take 100% control of their lives, in fact, teens are stupid when it comes to real life. Can you imagine how many more fatalities there would be if 16 year olds were able to drive with an blood alcohol content of .08? How would they learn all the life lessons of managing money if they went to the casino, bought smokes and booze while holding a part-time job and going to high school? Just imagine every 16 year old with a credit card, that in itself would be chaos.

The law isn't as corrupt as it seems, if not being able to drink is your biggest concern then you have it pretty easy kid, enjoy life before you get a healthy dose of reality.

There are multiple ways to look at this. Smoking isn't a big issue. Smoking at 16 is nothing special. It has no negative effects on those around them. Many 16 year old teenagers do drink currently. They do drive. He never said that they should be able to drink and drive at the same time. He was using that as a reference point for smoking. Saying that they can do something that kills others, opposed to doing something that can only hurt themselves. The OP never said anything about drinking at 16. If anything is being assumed about what he types, he suggested drinking at 18. Which is completely understandable.

[Sekhem]

At 10/15/09 10:39 AM, Gateau wrote: Yknow, when the United States was founded (I know you're Canadian, but roll with me), their laws were based off of the simple code "as long as you do not impede on another's right to freedom". Why is it that the government can now dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body?

Leftists have been ruining America for close to a century now.

[Prinzy2]

At 10/15/09 10:56 AM, Sizzlebuzz wrote: There are multiple ways to look at this. Smoking isn't a big issue. Smoking at 16 is nothing special. It has no negative effects on those around them.

Depends, if you're outside smoking it's not such a big deal, but I wouldn't want to be stuck inside a room full of cigarette smoke.

Many 16 year old teenagers do drink currently. They do drive. He never said that they should be able to drink and drive at the same time.

If they can go to the bars and have a license, chances are a fair share will be driving with alcohol in their system like their adult counterparts. The only advantage an adult has is a more developed body which can handle more alcohol than a youth, and more driving experience. Not that drinking and driving is safe, but the adult is the lesser of the two evils in this case.

He was using that as a reference point for smoking. Saying that they can do something that kills others, opposed to doing something that can only hurt themselves. The OP never said anything about drinking at 16. If anything is being assumed about what he types, he suggested drinking at 18. Which is completely understandable.

The true irony about his original post is saying how mature kids are and how they should have all these rights, then listing points of the stupidity they do. The whole point of these age limits is to provide structure so these kids can learn how the world works before having access to the vices it incorporates. If kids can learn to wield the responsibility of a car at 16, finishing high school at 18, then eventually going out on their own to work and life without mommy and daddy to coddle them, then by the time they're 21 they'll be responsible enough to drink and gamble for recreation and not blow their entire savings getting drunk and playing Black Jack.

At least that's the theory behind it.

[Fim]

At 10/15/09 10:27 AM, Toukeman wrote: I do believe the drinking age is bull. Young men and women go off to fight and die without ever touching there lips to a beer. What is the drinking age in Britian? 16? And do we hear about all the bad things that happen because of young people that are drinking over there? No we don't.

It's 18 over here mate. And I think that drinking is a problem in the UK, and I'm saying that as an 18 year old who regularly goes to the pub and has been enjoying a nice beer on a weekend since I was 15/16.

I do think it's mad that you've got to be 21 in america to drink beer especially as you said, the driving age is 16, it is 17 over here.

I think it depends alot more on the person who is drinking, I think if you are a violent asshole and you go out drinking then you are likely to do something stupid and you shoudnt drink heavily. Personally, I have never drunk to the extent where I have been 'out of control' and mugged someone or got into a bar fight. I think alchohol doesnt turn you into a monster if you've had the right upbringing/ morales installed in you. But then again you cant make everyone take a personality test before they buy a beer.

To the OP, I generally agree with you, I think the government enforces too many blanket laws that dont take into account alot of personal factors. But I wouldnt agree with bringing the death penatly, I think that even if 1 person got killed and they were actually innocent it would be a really dire situation.

[Jerich0]

You know why its corrupt I got convicted of a crime at the age of 17. Your not a fucking adult until your 18 whats this horse shit?

[Crashman]

I don't really care anymore since I'm going to be 21 next summer. Age doesn't really matter anymore, its not like these people can't get alcohol.

[Digital-Terror]

At 10/15/09 10:18 AM, EpicFail wrote: If you commit a crime in Canada and you are under the age of 18 years old, you are not legally an adult.
The news and papers can not announce your name to the public, not letting society know about the crime you committed.
By the age of 13, a person should easily know right from wrong.

By the age of 12 in Canada (Or BC at least) you can be held criminally responsible for whatever you do.

[snapper5]

At 10/15/09 10:27 AM, Toukeman wrote: I do believe the drinking age is bull. Young men and women go off to fight and die without ever touching there lips to a beer. What is the drinking age in Britian? 16? And do we hear about all the bad things that happen because of young people that are drinking over there? No we don't.

You've not read a British newspaper recently

It's being complained about constantly, and erm, its changed to 18 years, or is going to, i don't drink so much, so i'm not sure

[DevilDog016]

At 10/15/09 10:47 AM, AluminumNads wrote:

At 10/15/09 10:39 AM, Gateau wrote: Why is it that the government can now dictate what you can and cannot put into your own body?

Because of religion. They say that the want the curch and state to be seperate, but they still let morals learned from religion influence their thinking.

You know, to garner more votes.

Religion is a dead end. I can't stop but notice how much it affects pretty much everything in today's society. Since it was instituted, the church has tried to subdue the people and bring them under their rule, to take all their money. Sometimes in ways so heinous, you stare agape and wonder how the hell did these people end up as "advocates of God". The Crusades are a good example - people just marching to a useless war "in the name of God", raping, stealing, killing everything in their path from cows to children; and guess what, the brass couldn't care less, and the church was turning a blind eye most of the times if thir coffers were filled with gold taken by sword. I was watching how the cathedral in Chartres was built the other day, and noticed all the bullshit the church spread around just to milk people of all their money. Sin forgiveness tickets? Pshh, the church has become a parade of ignorance, greed and falsity. Enough is enough, everything has a limit. People are willing to accept the notion of a God, but pushing it in their face and then blatantly asking for their money is just plain excess. This charade should stop now, if we even fucking dream to get off this planet. If there is going to be any religion at all in the future, we should start finding some common fucking ground and just make one religion, period. You like it, fine; you don't, I don't give a damn.

[Box-Killa]

What is worse is that they changed THE CONSTITUTION in Australia, WITHOUT VOTING, so you can get force vaccinated, or go to prison forever, and you cant sue it the vaccine causes any mental/physical problems.

[milinko959]

All I hear is: "BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'M UNDERAGE AND I WANT TO BUY SMOKES AND BOOZE."

[EpicFail]

At 10/15/09 12:15 PM, milinko959 wrote: All I hear is: "BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'M UNDERAGE AND I WANT TO BUY SMOKES AND BOOZE."

That's not the case.
I can get smokes and booze easily, drugs and alcohol are easier for me to find than it is for me to walk to a corner store and buy a chocolate bar.

I don't care whether or not I can drink or smoke, or gamble, whatever.
That's not what I am getting at.
I am pissed off at the fact that all these fucking rules make no god damn sense whatsoever and they still enforce them.

Are they blind? Why is it that the youth can realize these things and point them out, and they can not admit to their rules being whacked out.

There are people who join the military at 18, and come out mentally scarred for life because of the shit that they have seen. They have to go through a lot of fucking therapy over that stuff and don't get the proper help that they need, and they aren't even allowed to buy booze once legally.

[Fleshlight]

these are some of the most retarded statements I've read from a serious topic. No wonder you didn't stick this in the Politics Forum

[EpicFail]

At 10/15/09 01:44 PM, Fleshlight wrote: these are some of the most retarded statements I've read from a serious topic. No wonder you didn't stick this in the Politics Forum

Please point out all the 'retarded' statements, because I am having difficulty finding any that are semi-retarded.

[Sinitech]

FUCK THA POELICE!11

[Jinx-Studios]

Yeah, but so are we.

[andhination]

If you don't like it, I'm sure plenty of other countries will take you.

[Toukeman]

At 10/15/09 11:46 AM, snapper5 wrote: You've not read a British newspaper recently

It's being complained about constantly, and erm, its changed to 18 years, or is going to, i don't drink so much, so i'm not sure

At 10/15/09 11:11 AM, Fim wrote: It's 18 over here mate. And I think that drinking is a problem in the UK, and I'm saying that as an 18 year old who regularly goes to the pub and has been enjoying a nice beer on a weekend since I was 15/16.

Ok. Thanks for clearing up the Drinking age in Britian for me guys. It is appreciated.

I would be fine with an 18 year old drinking age, hell even 19 if congress thinks it might be too much for an 18 year old with new freedoms of legally being able to have sex, voting, buying tobacco, ect.

But still 21 is asinine.

The real truth is even though we have Democrats in office, the mentality of the government is still very conservative. It is still run by white, middle-aged men, who look out for themselves, even though we now have Obama.

[andhination]

Another thing, you talk about freedom, and then say that people shouldn't be allowed to have kids unless they have a certain IQ.
Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh....

[ZombieKangaroo]

I agree completely. On the point of children knowing right from wrong, it's a gradual process not fucking instantaneous when you turn 18 or so. It's an absolute fucking mess, if you do something wrong like that, you need to be punished for it. Obviously I'm talking within reason, having a beer underage is an entirely different matter to beating somebody in the street.