:At 10/17/09 06:49 PM, Jon-86 wrote:
:The even wasn't to honour the dead! We have VE day for that and remembered day! God your profile claims your enlisted so you of all people should know that day was for active service personnel.
In essence, no but recent deaths in Afghanistan were also marked during this occasion. The day isn't just for active personnel but for all personnel serving or retired and their families, as well as the families of the fallen.
Ans since you are in the armed forces you would naturally be against this. And support the idea that the army fighting in the wars we are engaged in now are doing so to protect our freedom etc because that's what you are told.
I fight because I'm told too, my belief as to whether I'm fighting to protect our freedom, etc, is irrelevant. My job is to follow any legal order I am given to carry out.
:I know because I have family enlisted also! But I can honestly say Iraq or Afghanistan were no where on the verge on invading this country and taking away anybodies freedoms. I will leave that augment their since its going off-topic.
I agree that it is going off topic. As to your statement, I don't really care as to the reasoning, our orders, as given by the duly elected government of this country at the time, were to mount invasions of those two nations. I must say the initial operations were very well carried out, but as is very often the case, the political uncertainty of democracy has caused us to become bogged down in bureaucracy.
Eirigi and other organisations inside and outside the UK have a right to protest! Its in the human rights act that I have linked to! They were not looking for a reaction from the police. That would undermine their political objective and credibility as a political organisation! As dose violent action!
I disagree, the minority constantly stirring up trouble when most people just want to get on with their lives, just because an existing democratic peace process is proving they are not the majority and therefore preventing them from getting what they want. There are over 60 million people in this country and sacrificing the wants of the few for the needs of the many is a fact of life.
How can their be political progression if people are denied to express their objections using protest as a means? 20-30 years ago their would have been no armed forces day celebration because their was their was no political process! The actions of the PSNI on that day were a step backwards. State control of the political opposition! Hell even the BNP are allowed more of a voice.
No one died and, from what information I can gather, no one was seriously injured. That's a well performed policing operation in my opinion.
You know that's rubbish if you have watched the news or happened to be in any of the towns the same day as the EDL all the cities they have visited it was Mosques they were moving towards!
They were stopped from approaching the mosques.
:And that's the key-point here they were moving. Unless you inform the local council that you plan to hold a march or a protest then you can't.
To prevent civil disorder and keep the general public safe.
:That makes them a roaming group. Classified as an illegal march by British law and so should have been broken up.
Technically it makes them a procession, which is legal under UK law.
On the other hand that example of Eirigi and armed forces day. They informed they were planning a peaceful static protest as were all anti-war protesters. Yet they were not allowed to assemble. You talk about insighting violence intentionally or not yet the EDL are comprised of casuals who go looking for a fight!
Regardless, the Police in Belfast made the right decision with regards to protecting the British public.
You can't have one rule from one group and one rule for another.
That depends on the nature of the group in question.
