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At 10/8/09 07:25 PM, 111122223138 wrote: son, with that logic, christianity is shit...
not THE shit...
just shit

Typical atheist post. And then you guys want to whine when someone esle points out errors in your beliefs.

I know you really tried hard, but you're not cool

At 10/8/09 07:31 PM, Chdonga wrote: errors in your beliefs.

Such as...?

Isn't that one of the things you atheists don't like about religion? Or are is any moral stigma attached to hypocrisy suddenly lifted just because you stop believing in God?

atheists don't need morals

At 10/7/09 09:40 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: It's sad that the whole RELIGION IZT GAY LOLO thing is still a fad.

I really wish that we could just leave everyone else the fuck alone.

that's why atheists destroy religion in the first place but first they need to destroy morals

I love how people think Atheism is a religion.

At 10/8/09 07:51 PM, daves234 wrote: that's why atheists destroy religion in the first place but first they need to destroy morals

There is no logical progression between Atheism and immorality. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

At 10/8/09 07:46 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:31 PM, Chdonga wrote: errors in your beliefs.

Such as...?

Disbelief of a deity just because you have never seen one. Yeah, we haven't seen one in the microscopic bit of the universe we've seen so they must not exist. We haven't seen a cure for some diseases, so they must not exist either and we should just euthanize anyone who has it.

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:51 PM, daves234 wrote: that's why atheists destroy religion in the first place but first they need to destroy morals

There is no logical progression between Atheism and immorality. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

atheism is based on logic and morals is based on Religion, so that's why the atheist vs religion thing has started in the first place.

At 10/8/09 07:31 PM, Chdonga wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:25 PM, 111122223138 wrote: son, with that logic, christianity is shit...
not THE shit...
just shit

Typical atheist post. And then you guys want to whine when someone esle points out errors in your beliefs.

wait wait waity wait wait....
errors in beilifs that don't exist?

such as?

At 10/8/09 07:57 PM, daves234 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:51 PM, daves234 wrote: atheists destroy religion in the first place but first they need to destroy morals

There is no logical progression between Atheism and immorality.

atheism is based on logic and morals is based on Religion, so that's why the atheist vs religion thing has started in the first place.

plus atheists can do what ever they think it's right so morals are not needed for them

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, Chdonga wrote: Disbelief of a deity just because you have never seen one. Yeah, we haven't seen one in the microscopic bit of the universe we've seen so they must not exist. We haven't seen a cure for some diseases, so they must not exist either and we should just euthanize anyone who has it.

That's not what Atheism is at all.
The reason people don't believe in god is not only because it can't be observed in any way known to man, but also because the very idea of 'god' totally contradicts the main reason for believing in a deity in the first place.

At 10/8/09 07:58 PM, daves234 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:57 PM, daves234 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:51 PM, daves234 wrote:

plus atheists can do what ever they think it's right so morals are not needed for them

so i can kill fucktards like you and go to hel-

oh wait :3

At 10/8/09 07:58 PM, daves234 wrote: atheism is based on logic and morals is based on Religion, so that's why the atheist vs religion thing has started in the first place.

That wasn't what I asked.

plus atheists can do what ever they think it's right so morals are not needed for them

Still waiting for you to back up your ridiculous claims with evidence.
By the way, behaving out of fear of hell isn't an example of 'morality' in the slightest. It is nothing but blind obedience.

At 10/8/09 08:00 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:58 PM, daves234 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:57 PM, daves234 wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:51 PM, daves234 wrote:

plus atheists can do what ever they think it's right so morals are not needed for them

so i can kill fucktards like you and go to hel-

oh wait :3

I love how you're not only making yourself and every atheist look like some stupid person who only converted to not feel guilt about committing adultery. You didn't explain why atheism makes "moar" sense than religion and either way why does it offend you and every other atheist that someone believes in a deity anyway? So what? DO they have morals*? Do they still treat others with respect even though you don't respect them? Do they care if you think your religion is better than yours?
*Don't bother responding "You don't need religion to have morals", because you shouldn't even bother saying that because you've done something bad in your life one time or another. As long as they're not one of those guys you make up, killing gay people and non-virgin women, it shouldn't bother you.

Lemme guess... someone will respond to this post telling me that I'm forcing my beliefs on others.

Excuse me for a moment of what seems like, and what probably is, a moment of self-pity. I'm happy that my comment has been reviewed thoroughly and that this apparently never-ending argument has reached a cool ending in which agencies out of our control are taken out of the argument and that the age of information is used as a truly great way of thinking about things like this. Actually, only one person can put it perfectly I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5IIXeR5O UI

That feels pretty good to me. Well, it doesn't at all, but you get me.

atheism is based on logic and morals is based on Religion, so that's why the atheist vs religion thing has started in the first place.

That wasn't what I asked.

plus atheists can do what ever they think it's right so morals are not needed for them

Still waiting for you to back up your ridiculous claims with evidence.
By the way, behaving out of fear of hell isn't an example of 'morality' in the slightest. It is nothing but blind obedience.

Ok what I'm saying is, in an atheist world would be like for example atheists can believe in evolution although it has flaws but atheists can change them and the things about morals well the bible is based on morals you read it a few times it's about morals not much of obedience (except for the ten commandments and hell etc.) If we didn't have morals then the bible would not be made In the first place. (read the whole damn thing This is my opinion though) and opinions don't need morals

lol gods gay lol.

So when christians convert an atheist, they're forcing their beliefs. But when an atheist converts a christian, it's something to be proud of? Way to be a hypocritical bigot... Which is just what many atheists accuse ALL christians of being...

At 10/8/09 08:34 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: So when christians convert an atheist, they're forcing their beliefs. But when an atheist converts a christian, it's something to be proud of? Way to be a hypocritical bigot... Which is just what many atheists accuse ALL christians of being...

Meh, whatever helps the kids sleep at night. But here's a better idea; how about we go on with our lives.

At 10/8/09 07:49 PM, daves234 wrote: atheists don't need morals

We don't need a stupid, fake book to be nice. It's called common sense.

At 10/8/09 08:41 PM, Nintendoobsessed wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:49 PM, daves234 wrote: atheists don't need morals

We don't need a stupid, fake book to be nice. It's called common sense.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep from raping your cousin.

At 10/8/09 08:22 PM, daves234 wrote: Ok what I'm saying is, in an atheist world would be like for example atheists can believe in evolution although it has flaws but atheists can change them

Belief in evolution is not exclusive to Atheism.

and the things about morals well the bible is based on morals you read it a few times it's about morals not much of obedience (except for the ten commandments and hell etc.)

What's your point? I asked you to justify the assertion that Atheism leads to immorality. You have done nothing but tapdance around the whole subject after bringing it up.

If we didn't have morals then the bible would not be made In the first place. (read the whole damn thing This is my opinion though) and opinions don't need morals

I thought the whole reason for this "ten commandments" stuff is because people needed guidance and morality. Now you're telling me that if people didn't have morals, there would've been no need for the bible and its teachings anyway? Are you sure you've read the thing?

At 10/8/09 08:12 PM, Chdonga wrote:

I love how you're not only making yourself and every atheist look like some stupid person who only converted to not feel guilt about committing adultery.

how the hell have i committed adul;tery?
i haven't slept with anyone...yet ;)

At 10/8/09 05:45 PM, 111122223138 wrote: BTW...i've read the WHO FUCKING BIBLE...SO DON'T GO ALL "you prolly never even read the bible :P " ...CAUSE I FUCKIN HAVE....

No you haven't.

At 10/8/09 07:54 PM, Chdonga wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:46 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:31 PM, Chdonga wrote: errors in your beliefs.

Such as...?

Disbelief of a deity just because you have never seen one. Yeah, we haven't seen one in the microscopic bit of the universe we've seen so they must not exist. We haven't seen a cure for some diseases, so they must not exist either and we should just euthanize anyone who has it.

Atheism is to not believe in a god, not the belief there is no god. There is a big difference.

Saying you believe there is no god would be ignorant as there is no way to prove or disprove god. However Atheists choose to not believe in a god, which is perfectly fine because god has not been proven - giving no reason to believe in him/her.

This same rule goes to Christians, Muslims etc. except they seem to break it once in awhile. Placing your beliefs solely in a book is your personal choice, but you may not use that belief as an argument (e.g. "How can Mary be a virgin if she has had a child?" typical response being "It says so in the bible" the christian's argument becomes invalid).

Basically, anyone can believe in anything they want, but you do not have the right to say what is wrong or right based on your belief - which has no scientific backup.

Scenario:

I believe my dog talks. Me and my dog have had long conversations that go on for hours on end. One night my dog said to me "you must kill the president" and so I did. I believe what I did was right because my dog had told me to do so and in my view my dog's words are almighty so you have to follow this belief as well.

At 10/8/09 07:57 PM, daves234 wrote: atheism is based on logic and morals is based on Religion, so that's why the atheist vs religion thing has started in the first place.

Wrong. Morals are something (I would hope) people are taught throughout their life. One of my morals is to take a look at both sides of the argument before jumping in guns blazing. I am an Agnostic. Therefore, I am an Agnostic with morals. The same could be said with Atheists.

Atheism is based on logic and Religion is based on faith.

Both faith and logic can be bent. This is why I choose to be Agnostic, as proof can never be changed.

After reading this thread and your userpage post, I hope that you never have kids.

You should start introducing yourself as an atheist, and don't back down or take shit from anyone - say like "I'm Steve, and Im an atheist. DEAL WITH IT."

thats not a problem. when people not paying attention to what they're doing you can manipulate them in your own way. he'll be back religious soon.