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At 10/7/09 09:33 PM, Toiletpaper wrote:

At 10/7/09 09:29 PM, 111122223138 wrote: other religions do it all the time....

When was this?

My RE teacher (That's religious education just in case it's called something different in America) Does it quite a lot. Giving us learning objectives like, "Learn why Jesus is lord." She gave "say what you like about Jesus" as a target for my friend to get a better score in the next test.

At 10/8/09 07:30 AM, 111122223138 wrote:

im not a waste of e-space :3
you just can't except me for who i am and what religion i am...

No, no, definitely the former. You're an attention whore, who forced their beliefs (actually, lack of) on their "friend" and who expects a cookie for doing it.

At 10/8/09 01:00 PM, riemannSum wrote:

At 10/8/09 11:04 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Organized religion is in decline. I fail to see the arguing point here. Thus makes my point about the "Fad", though that may not be the most correct word to use, it makes the point.

Religion =/= organized religion.

Oh here we go.

Yeah, here we go. Discredit me somehow, those are all VALID examples of history.

I can't discredit you because I never denied that those are valid examples of history. They very well are.

Say some to the contrary,

Everything that religion has done that doesn't include suppressing science and inciting violence.

tell me how I'm wrong.

I can't, because you're not. Can I say that science is bad because it led to the creation of extremely powerful weapons and the deaths of thousands if not millions of people? It goes both ways, for religion AND science.

Actually, the Church did that because it was considered a threat to their power. They did not suppress science out of the desire because God or the religion cared.

Stop missing the point, I don't care WHY science was suppressed, but the fact that it WAS.

I'm not talking about why, I'm talking about WHO. WHO did it ties into why it WAS. You should care very much about WHY it was.

The church is the single largest factor against science there is, and has been.

Basically.

You guessed wrong.

Nice argument, come up with something decent next time.

I didn't bother because I thought it was quite obvious how bringing up the same old examples crying "OMG INQUISITION AND CRUSADES" all the time is ridiculous. Let me try bringing up "ATOMIC WEAPONS" next time someone wants to argue to support science. It's the same shit. Both have positives and both have negatives. That was the whole point I was trying to get across.

At 10/8/09 07:54 AM, MCSMstudios wrote: Remember guys, atheism isn't a religion. It's the belief that there is no god. Atheism is the absence of religion if you think about it. "Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby." Can't remember who said that but I love it.

Gah! This again! So true but dishonest.

Posed the question "if God," and responding "without God," requires, from any logical person, a qualification of "God" beyond 'His' basic definition.

Atheism is not always a positive assertion in itself, but unless you've never been exposed to the concept of God atheism INVOLVES positive assertions.

finally, someone on here isnt complaining about Atheists.

At 10/7/09 09:20 PM, 111122223138 wrote: and i finally got him to realize why atheism makes moar sense than...other religions

You know, he probably just agreed with you to get you to shut the fuck up.

At 10/8/09 03:54 PM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:54 AM, MCSMstudios wrote: Remember guys, atheism isn't a religion. It's the belief that there is no god. Atheism is the absence of religion if you think about it. "Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby." Can't remember who said that but I love it.

Gah! This again! So true but dishonest.

Posed the question "if God," and responding "without God," requires, from any logical person, a qualification of "God" beyond 'His' basic definition.

Atheism is not always a positive assertion in itself, but unless you've never been exposed to the concept of God atheism INVOLVES positive assertions.

It involves a positive assertion as much as anything else logically deduced. One can never be 100% positive about anything in truth, especially nothing that one has never truly touched or experienced. But to be atheist all you must do is consider god and then come to the conclusion that it's absurd, much like someone walking outside, considering that they are going to be struck by lightening, and then realizing it's absurd because it's a sunny day.

Besides, you are saying that saying atheism is not a religion is false because it involves positive assertions. You define religion by positive assertions?

At 10/8/09 04:08 PM, Tancrisism wrote: [...] because it's a sunny day.

Absolutely.

Besides, you are saying that saying atheism is not a religion is false because it involves positive assertions. You define religion by positive assertions?

I don't and the analogy isn't binary. As soon as you introduce a positive assertion, better yet a set of positive assertions, you are leaning more toward religion than not-collecting-stamps leans toward being a hobby. Now, in a broad context, this quality isn't a big deal, as there are tons of things that make positive assertions but don't come close to being a religion. However, in the context in which the analogy is almost always offered, positive assertion is a huge deal - it's practically the focal point of the analogy.

You're an asshole.
I'm also skeptical about whether he's really an atheist now. Someone who fervently believes in god doesn't just think 'oh man, you're right. how silly of me; science is better' after a quick chat with one of his idiot friends.

At 10/8/09 05:16 PM, TheBoard wrote: You're an asshole.
I'm also skeptical about whether he's really an atheist now. Someone who fervently believes in god doesn't just think 'oh man, you're right. how silly of me; science is better' after a quick chat with one of his idiot friends.

people go atheist when they realize something that the bible can't an-

nvm.... anythime i ask a priest something they cant' explain....they just say "go read the (fucking) bible...ok?"

which never really answers my question...but anyways....

people do change their beilife based on facts...nto on a book written by people who think they could explain thw universe... even though they couldn't even build decent houses....

plus the bible flaws...
and contradictions....
and all the other stuff that can be easily pointed out after reading the bible....

BTW...i've read the WHO FUCKING BIBLE...SO DON'T GO ALL "you prolly never even read the bible :P " ...CAUSE I FUCKIN HAVE....

suck it

At 10/8/09 05:45 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:16 PM, TheBoard wrote:

people go atheist when they realize something that the bible can't an-

I always thought it was because they came to a certain realization that the god that is believed in by the majority of the population isn't real or is currently unprovable. Whether the Bible is correct or not is irrelevant to becoming an Atheist. I'm a good example. I disregard 95% of the Bible but still believe in a god.

people do change their beilife based on facts...nto on a book written by people who think they could explain thw universe... even though they couldn't even build decent houses....

The ancients weren't stupid. Why is there this assumption that because some people wrote a book that was later declared false they're almost automatically retarded?

You were able to just change someone's beliefs like that? I find that hard to believe.

At 10/8/09 05:50 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:45 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:16 PM, TheBoard wrote:

The ancients weren't stupid. Why is there this assumption that because some people wrote a book that was later declared false they're almost automatically retarded?

im using some one what religous people tell em /...adn some of my own....

people that used sticks as tool first = geniuses of their period
people that use sticks now as tools = morons or biologist...

the people's then migth have been fuckin' einsteins...but in modern time...we all think we're 1337 cause it's modern time....

just cuase we're smarter..we down-think every thing else

At 10/8/09 05:54 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:50 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:45 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 10/8/09 05:16 PM, TheBoard wrote:

just cuase we're smarter..we down-think every thing else

Understood.

oh no, one complete stranger made another complete stranger change his mind about a bunch of shit that doesn't effect any of us!!!

Quick, everybody man your keyboards... this is WAR!!!!

All you have done is make atheists look bad by forcing your beliefs on others.

At 10/7/09 09:37 PM, jarrydn wrote: Yes. Anyone who forces anything onto anyone else is, by definition, an asshole.

*ahem*
<_<
>_>
I never tried to get anyone to believe in my beliefs...recently.

Religion is a horrible thing to discuss on the internet. It ALWAYS leads to flame wars.

At 10/8/09 02:58 PM, ChocEliteBar wrote: Atheism is for 13 year olds who are mad that they have to go to church.

Fixed.

At 10/7/09 09:23 PM, jarrydn wrote:

At 10/7/09 09:20 PM, 111122223138 wrote: and i finally got him to realize why atheism makes moar sense than...other religions

Congratulations for forcing your own beliefs onto someone else.

Yeah, 111122223138 you'd never be a social care worker hehe.

Am I the only one whose first thought was the guy probably just said he was Atheist to get OP to shut the fuck up about it?

I agree with the people who say you're an arsehole. You made yourself an authority figure in another person's beliefs by forcing your own on him and you might have imposed a dogmatic belief based on his interpretation of your own beliefs.

HEY IM AETHIEST TOO mother fuckers

At 10/8/09 06:25 PM, Chdonga wrote:

Atheism is for 13 year olds who are mad that they have to go to church.

If that were true, it would only serve to reinforce the immorality of forcing religion on a child.

Haha, I've just finished reading this thread in full, and I've got to say that I'm very intrigued by many of the arguments here. Now, you'll have to forgive me in this post: I'm slightly drunk, but I know what my views on this sort of issue are for now, in the basics. Strangely enough, as multi-sided as the glourious religion versus atheism argument is, I think it's easy to have a fairly one-sded, yet fair view, and I'll explain why I think this, personally.

Religion. That's a funny thing isn't it? Bible, Bible, creationism, creationism, made-up, yes? What's that got to do with the gritty reality of an uptown street? Or maybe, what's that got to do with the robber who's just stabbed a completely innocent citizen to steal the little cash he's got? Madness isn't it, to believe in a higher power. I'm maintaining, myself, that hope, belief in a higher power is not a community decision, but an individual decision. Forget about even the friendliest of independant religious communities for one moment and think to the people who might believe in religion. Maybe it keeps them going that little bit more in what is otherwise a shithole of a life. Maybe it's a symbol at the same time, that they will come out of their tunnel of a problem stronger as a result. I've read parts of the Bible, mostly New Testament, lots of times. Do I believe in God? I have no fucking idea. Do I believe society was created from the ground up? Not intending to put many years of study to shame, but I don't fucking know. I've looked in the Bible when I've felt bad at a particular point, because the option is there. If a higher power can help me, let them help me, for fuck's sake. I don't give a shit about politics in this sense. Politics in this case, is irrelvant to me as a person.

Oh, sorry: religious organisations that take advantage of what they have to manipulate others, extreme examples taking the spotlight thanks to a very insightful social institution known as the media. Oh, you know, there's this thing I've heard about that might be more responsible for that, but I have to be quite subtle in linking it, because between you and me, some people don't like to hear it. We shouldn't be looking at that though, because if we don't, we're traitors aren't we? Sorry guys. Sorry for not looking at religion, race, sexuality, political opinion, subculture, psychological history, education experience, among other things. I'm really sorry. It doesn't spur, in our western societies, from the thing I'm talking about. No, sorry.

I think I've wasted your time enough now, if you're reading this. This was criminally brief in what I think overall, but please, you know?

At 10/8/09 06:18 PM, AndrewGlisson13 wrote: All you have done is make atheists look bad by forcing your beliefs on others.

son, with that logic, christianity is shit...
not THE shit...

just shit

learn to aply what you say on everything..not just what you're triytng to attack

At 10/8/09 07:25 PM, 111122223138 wrote: son, with that logic, christianity is shit...
not THE shit...
just shit

Typical atheist post. And then you guys want to whine when someone esle points out errors in your beliefs.

I know you really tried hard, but you're not cool

At 10/8/09 07:31 PM, Chdonga wrote: errors in your beliefs.

Such as...?